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Well, I Got Mugged In My Street At 8:05PM PST Today. 50 Yards From Home.

Right after the corner of the southbound sidewalk, they came into my face, out of nowhere. 3 of them. "Youths."

I won't give any details here for obvious reasons.

It took me 1 or 2 seconds to realize what it was about after I heard the first "Give me your phone!", "Give me your wallet!"

I know, I'm slow, sometimes.

As I crossed my arms around my jacket, two of them got my phone out of my right hand, and started to grab me and shake me.

I felt a little punch on my lower jaw, almost nothing, like it was a miss, and as the struggle began, then I noticed the knife, 10 or so inch long, a kitchen kind of knife. I have the alike at home. That's when I knew it wasn't worth fighting back.

I was already on the ground, on that neighbor's front yard, as I screamed for help, trying to crawl slowly away only screaming also "Don't do that!" and to get myself some distance.

Maybe 20 seconds had passed. Tops.

While on the ground, I didn't want to lose sight of the blade, but I looked up to the face of the one holding it.

The neighbor across the street coming to my help who rushed out of his home after hearing my cry says he saw two of them hitting me while I was on the ground. I think they were trying anyway, because I didn't get hurt anywhere it seems. Must have been too fast or they missed me.

The knife and the distance between it and me. That's all I cared about for the last 10 seconds.

He scared them away, they ran away, starting from the middle of the street, with my phone. You have no idea how much I feel I owe him. As I had lost my glasses in the last 5 seconds, I was really fearing for my safety.

I hugged him after 30 minutes spent with the cops to give them my statement.

Can't say more for now. Only that I have the nice "business card" of the police officer I should call if I ever recognize one of them again in my block.

They stole my phone, after all.




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great to hear!

well, no doubt you'll be in between 'condition yellow' to 'orange,' at all times from now on, but it's a good default position to be in, IMHO, when out in public; an unfortunate reality of our world.o(

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

similar experience

Some two hours earlier, on the other side of the world, I went through a similar experience. Or maybe it was a day and two hours, I am sort of hazy on the time conversion thing -- not to mention hazy in general from a concussion.

I was walking home alone from the pub just before 3 AM local time when two thugs cornered me in a sort-of abandoned street. It started with the first thug whistling from behind to catch my attention. When I didn't respond, he started running. I turned around to see what the commotion was about. He was running straight at me. When he came in range, I tried to punch him. He was quick enough to dodge. At this point, I noticed his accomplice who wasn't too far away. I decided to run.

Unfortunately, the thug was faster than I was. Preferring to stand and fight rather than be tripped, I tried to punch him again. We started fighting. When his accomplice came, they were able to get me onto the ground. They started kicking. "Stop!" I yelled. "I'll give you my wallet!" The kicking continued. I was protecting my head with my arms.

The next thing I remember is waking up in the hospital with the police asking me questions I couldn't answer to because I just didn't know the answer. Questions like where I was coming from or where I was going to. They told me a taxi driver had found me unconscious and called 112 (the European equivalent of 911). I spent the night in the hospital and they discharged me when my brother, bless him, came to pick me up at 1 PM.

Apart from one hell of a concussion, a crack in my sinus (is that the correct English word?) and several ugly bruises, I am fine. I still wish the thieves hadn't made off with my smartphone, though. The money they stole wasn't worth their time at minimum wage. I wonder why they left what was left of my wallet and especially the bank cards.

Take-aways:
* When travelling at night, stick together as much as possible.
* The thugs were able to target me and catch up to me because I was on foot. Travel by bicicle beats travel by foot. (Travel by car is probably not a great idea when coming back from the pub.)
* Avoid bad neighborhoods.
* Stick to the busiest and best-lit streets because they are full of potential witnesses, cops-callers or even interveners.
* Carry something that allows you to make a lot of noise quickly, like a whistle on your key chain.
* If you are allowed, carry a gun and learn to use it. Depending on the circumstances, this might even be good advice if you're not allowed.
* (From one of the comments:) Install a program like Avast on your phone so that if people steal it, you are able to track them.

I use Lookout on my smartphone

Which has a "find my device" feature. I've only had to use it once before. I was unsure if I locked my car door and couldn't find my door. I looked in my car quickly and couldn't locate the phone. I was able to borrow a coworker's smartphone and the cellphone sent out its current location (which was, in my car). A more thorough search revealed it fell below my seat.. Certainly a little peace of mind, especially if it allows you to file a police report and potentially a claim against insurance.

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Welcome to the club. Of course, you owe them your stuff.

Welcome to the club. Of course, you owe them your stuff. You didn't know?

I'm sorry to hear you got really hurt, that you went unconscious. That must be awful to live and wake up from.

Clearly, I was like 1,000 times luckier than you 18 hours ago.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Thanks. To be honest though,

Thanks.

To be honest though, waking up wasn't at all bad. I was under no pain because I was being sedated already. When the police told me what had happened, I thought they were crazy. I couldn't recall a thing! It took a while for me to remember. If I had to associate one emotion with it (waking up) it would have to be embarassment rather than fear or mental trauma.

During the experience itself, I was fearful, desparate even. However, these emotions had a very real and present cause. I've felt worse because of smaller, less significant things such as the possibility of failing a grade at school or the thought of approaching an attractive girl. It was physically awful, but not emotionally awful.

Glad you both are ok

:)

Thanks :-)

Thanks :-)

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Thank you, Dan. See my update comment. :)

Thank you, Dan. See my update comment. :)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Cyril

If you feel weird and empty inside its because someone violated your God given rights in a most horrible manner. Something you would never think of doing to another human being.

Pick yourself up and make the necessary changes to protect your family, self and neighbors. Pray to God in behalf of the thugs. Know that those people, in my opinion, are the minority and many people are not violent like that.

It happens

Now the future always be looking around and never walk into a gang trap. Hope you recover both physical and mental. Wish you the best.

sovereign

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Yes, I am okay, folks. Just still, kind of mind boggled.

Yes, I am okay, folks. Just still, kind of mind boggled.

Thank you all for your nice words.

I'm taking this day off for my family.

P.S.
I don't care about this stupid Windoze phone. And I didn't have any sensitive or personal data on it. I had to do a factory reset a week or so ago. Even the Windoze Live ID wasn't setup.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Happy you're OK Cyril and

Happy you're OK Cyril and glad you had a neighbor willing to come outside and help you. The odds of things like this happening to most people are pretty rare. Hope this incident doesn't discourage you to get out and about your life.

Sorry to hear you had to endure this Cyril

Looks like it's time to have a meeting with the neighbors and make a plan to keep your neighborhood safe. I don't see things getting better anytime soon.

I am sorry this happened to you

Thank goodness you didn't get hurt. That's all that matters. Fuck the phone, you'll get another one.

Look at the bright side of this. You got a huge lesson without being hurt. Your awareness will now go way up. Chances are, you will never get mugged again, because you will sense it coming. You will never again walk mindlessly down the street without looking out for dangerous characters. You will cross the street when some questionable characters come into view. You will never walk by an alley without looking into it first. Your world has changed. Trust me, I know :)

Most muggings can be avoided through awareness. You now have that power.

EDIT: When I lived in NYC, I always carried two wallets. A crappy wallet with a couple of dollars, and my real wallet hidden away. Today, I would add a crappy small phone to that.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

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Dear Ed,

Dear Ed,

Well, I've always been aware and scanning when I walk. However true, one time of less attention sufficed yesterday evening. And I hear your advice, you're right. I got my refresher eventually.

You all, too, stay safe. It can happen to you any time if you do the same "mistake" as mine. The rotting continues, I confirm.

Out to some groceries now. :)

With my affection,

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Cyril,

Man I am very sorry for this to happen to you. I am very glad you are okay after all of this.

It sure is not worth fighting when they have a weapon. You did great given the crazy circumstances.

Courage,

Rafael

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

For everyone else...

Be adviced that crime will only worsen as the economy keeps crashing down.

People will go hungry, and drug addicts (even heavy pot smokers and heavy drinkers) will go crazy without money...

When you are mugged it is always best to stay still, and just to give them what you have... (unless you have a gun and know how to use it.)

Stay Alert!

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

Time is the best and worst

Time is the best and worst healer, one you'll learn to forget and carry on with your life, and two, it takes to damn long

You shud of shot them both!!!!

You shud of shot them both!!!!

ZIMMERMAN

-OUT

A phone for your life?

You made a very good trade. So glad that the injuries are minimal. Many simple muggings end far worse.

You may want to consider moving.

This neighbor who helped you sounds like a crazy wanna be cop and is probably very very dangerous. People who look out after their community, neighbors and/or their property are the most evil racists.

You really hugged him? Lucky he didn't hurt you as those racists confrontation hunting vigilantes are more dangerous than drugged up thugs. I know this cause the TV told me so. /sarc

Great that you are okay!!

peAce

Liberty = Responsibility

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Yes, I owe him a lot.

Yes, I owe him a lot. I was very lucky he was around and could hear me from the first scream.

I need to go visit him later today.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Pray for you and your family!

I pray that the Lord will comfort you and your family with His peace! May His peace take away all the fear! May He give you forgiveness that you may forgive these who transgressed against you. May this horrible incident bring you and your family closer to the Lord, as He is the only one we can depend on in the time of darkness! May He strengthen you to go on and keep trusting in the Lord and may He protect you and your family from all evil. We ask these in the name of Jesus. Amen.

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While reading this comment, I had an interesting thought

Note that this comes from my unique perspective: the brain is the only organ in the body completely surrounded by a bone cage. This evidence shows that it is important.

We evolved from baser animals. Initially the single-celled amoeba, and later the monkeys (who are too busy singing to put anybody down).

Some of this evolution sticks with us; there are some people who are stuck in the lower levels of thinking, and are only into satisfying their sexual urges. Others have evolved further and can deal with those on their own, while pursuing higher objectives (e.g., Abraham Maslow's pyramid of needs, self-actualization being at the top).

God is at the top. Self-actualization is similar to seeking God; it's a spiritual fulfillment.

So by seeking the forgiveness and being closer to the Lord, perhaps we're moving closer to the higher levels of behavior, and away from the lower levels, and positive people can see this movement and support it.

Religion is a different topic for me; it's all about control, whereas spirituality is all about discovery. But I intend this comment to be positive -- the exception I have to religion comes from my experiences, and I understand is not shared by all. However, spirituality should be shared by all.

I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you.
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If you are not comfortable

If you are not comfortable carrying a gun here is the next best option. These knives are hand made in Nepal by hand and are the utmost quality and craftmanship, you can even have them engrave your name in the knife so people know damn well whos it is. They are shaped and weighted in a way that all you have to to is flick your wrist to inflict massive damage on your opponent. After some practice you could easily deal a disarming slash to the wrist and bring your arm around and deliver a fatal blow to the neck in about a second. They are also great survival knives, I have the one in the below link and can make a campfire with the knife alone including wood chopping, log splitting and shavings.

http://www.khukurihouseonline.com/

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We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Great advice to get someone killed.

Weapons are worthless in the hands of the non-combatant. In other words, your asking someone to carry a weapon while not giving them the advice to get training first. A weapon is really dangerous. Just think, in this situation. The attackers out number her, she has no training and she takes out this knife. Guess what. Ante just went up. Now its not a flee and get safe situation for either party, its who will get cut first and worse. Trust me, a knife fight is not something you want to enter, a knife wound is extremely painful. Sure a knife in the right hands and in the right situation can be of use, but realistically that would have been her demise in this situation. They likely would have overpowered her, even if she somehow managed to cut one of them. And the rage would be exacted in return. No, i think it better to be unarmed and defenseless than enter and provoke a knife fight you cant win. Its a recipe for a quick death (though likely you'll bleed out on the street in a ton of pain). Personally I carry a knife everywhere and think it rather wise to do so... but even if i were being mugged I would be extremely hesitant to up the stakes. Only if a clear and present advantage were made available would I take the risk for what equates to giving up what equates to maybe 200$. Have my wallet, have whatever is on me. Better to live another day than end up in a bloody mess on the street.

What about a gun? With training.

Or is it better to just let the perp decide whether or not to stick you with an 8 inch blade. She could have just as easily ended up dead.

And don't forget the deterrence that armed an citizenry has overall. Even thugs and bullies have a proble with dying.

Given the revelation that the

Given the revelation that the OP is a woman, I would actually have to agree with you in this situation. Any weapon is useless without training, including knives and firearms. Kukris are quite heavy and require sufficient strength to use. Personally, I practice with my Kukri at least once a week and am very proficient in its use. My goal in the advice is that the size and stature of a properly wielded kukri is something that would cause the assailants to find a more easy victim. Criminals dont want to pay for the things they take, they usually dont want to die for them. If you cornered the assailants and forced a fight it could end badly but such a weapon displayed would deter the situation in the first place.

As to being mugged, it is a tough call. Your life is not worth some cash in your wallet but the criminal's intention is often now known, especially in the event of a home invasion. If you alow yourself to be a victim you could be abducted and in a worse situation that if you defended yourself in the first place. I guess like you said it is a different judgement call to be made based on each individual circumstance.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

your phone is a tracking device

and it has prints. Are you calling your phone?

(((((((((((((Cyril)))))))))))))

I hope you have called your bank and credit card, I'm happy that you are OK.

You're going to get them. I have no doubt that you will have justice.

This is why I carry everywhere

I even home carry - I learned this as the result from an attempted break in at my home in an upscale suburb. The 4 youths trying to enter my home (at 3:30am on a week night) seemed to be from the "city".

Take some firearm training courses, get a carry permit and protect yourself and your loved ones...Yes, it is YOUR responsibility to protect your loved ones - who else is going to do it?

Avast system protection

I cannot stress this enough. Aside from arming yourself, the best things you can do is to not carry cash and to protect your phone.

The take your phone because it is the most valuable thing you have on you. If you put a lock on it it will slow them down but locks can be gotten around.

Everyone with an android phone should install Avast. like other apps you can remotely lock the phone, track it with gps, turn on a siren, etc. but if you root your phone Avast can be installed at a system level and cannot be removed with a system wipe. Basically the phone becomes useless to a thief and dangerous, because every time they turn it on it will report location and they won't be able to remove the program. And if you have a non removable battery, they won't even be able to turn the phone off.

If everyone did that then these punks wouldn't bother trying to steal phones anymore.