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MSNBC: Glenn Greenwald Comments on the Progress and the Hypocrisy 7-17-13

Q: He [Snowden] is seeking refuge in Countries with abysmal human rights records... and he even went so far as to say he wanted to congratulate the leaders of Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia and Russia for standing up on this issue and being protectors of human rights... Given their records domestically... is that not hypocritical?

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This guy.....THIS

This guy.....THIS guy.........

Glenn your responses are a joy to watch, in the things you say and the way you say them, Snowdon done good picking you as his confident - can't imagine anyone else doing it the way you do it.....marvelously.......that is, as far as i am aware.......they could be out there, I hope they are out there...


THE SPIGOT, what a perfect name for GG.

Right, All THE SPIGOT is doing is "Publishing Stories", stories that aim to fuel the fears and hate of Americans who don't take the government in their own hands diplomatically.

CA just passed a law that license plates will have digital tracking devices. ALL credit cards allready have this. Where was the whistle blowing? It was in the face and no one did anything (I don't like the term "where's the outrage because outrage does nothing, where the involvement by wee the people in government?)

This is a snowjob because it's keeping the REAL THREATS to privacy OFF THE MAP.

There are whistle blowers laws and snowden didn't go there, instead he went to GG who is now aligning himself with DE (more liberal BS), who put RAND CORP above the USA, thereby giving corporations THE POWER, and why we have been sinking from freedom to corpotacracy AKA communism.

So there's...

...no truth to what Greenwald is saying about Obama persecuting whistleblowers?

I don't understand why you think the mass surveillance of all Americans is not a threat to privacy.

What Snowden's doing shouldn't detract from your efforts to educate people in CA about local abuses and to persuade them to do something about it -- it should only give you leverage since more people are awake to these types of issues now.

This again is where discussion of ideas within our community, with our neighbors, etc. is important -- not just having people sit on GOP committees and get sucked into the typical establishment Conservative mold of seemingly only caring about the 2nd Amendment and shrugging their shoulders about abuses of the 4th, etc.


Who is Obama persecuing? We have whistleblower laws. Snowden didn't even go there. Why not? He could have done this whole thing completely different.. maybe he should have gone to THE JUDGE rather than THE SPIGOT?

We have lost tons of privacy with the Patriot Act, which Ron Paul moved to stop in 2008. http://libertymaven.com/2008/06/25/ron-paul-denounces-the-ne...

We've KNOWN about this. We protested this. We had a money bomb to end this. Where the hell has everyone been?

If you don't know that you are being tracked by your phone, and plastic credit/debit cards by now, if you don't know that sites like DP are being watched, including your phone/cable line, facebook, your email is all "tapped" then I guess this is a big todo.. so what's the point? Why is MSM making this an issue now?

Is it because your state is RFIDing your drivers license, your tags, is it because your state is taking over where the feds are using this charade as a "wake up" to keep your eye off what is a BIGGER threat to your privacy?

It shouldn't detract, but it does because there is only so much time in a day, and only so much space in media.. snowden takes up the room, provides a cover.. search "spying" or whatever, and you will get millions of snowden where maybe there is a story about your state.. maybe. So IOWs its like trying to find a needle in a haystack, but you don't know that there is a needle, or what a needle looks like.

Unless you are active, signed up for and with "public citizen" alerts like I am.. you will not know. I would be happy to post them on DP, but DP downvotes me so they go unnoticed. Why is The Granger suddenly on the IGNOR and downvote to oblivion? Least we forget the same say. "we are infiltrated".

Sitting on a committee is where you write resolutions, inniatives, get information about these kind of things, shop a congresscritter and or lobbyist, and move to do something because of the political network. What's bad about that? Committees are where we have the opportunity to work on eliminating loyalty oaths, open debates, change voter registration, have a voice and ability to get press. Writting a letter to the editor as THE GRANGER may or may not get published.. the same letter with the suffix Republican Central Committee gets space because it's an ELECTED seat.

This BS about being "sucked in" is a LIE. We have debates and we have votes, and we have the ability to FIGHT. It's pretty apparent that I say what I think, and don't pander for upvotes. If you think I'm any different at the GOP, where I have gotten LIBERTY GOP appointed, they would tell you... No Granger is the same.. pisses the old boys off, but they love her because she isn't sitting on her ass, isn't asking anyone one for a handout, and can be dependable to show up and be counted. I listen, I work, and I tell it like I see it. That doesn't mean I'm right, and when I find that I am wrong, I admit it.

But if you are a lying POS, I'm definately NOT someone you want to be around.

The MSM isn't making the

The MSM isn't making the revelations a big issue, they're making Snowden the issue, just as the govt wishes them to do.

Only libertarians and other defenders of the 4th amendment are making Snowden's revelations an issue, because they ARE an issue.

The core issue is that, in a democratic republic the people or the people's representatives decide what it is appropriate for the executive branch to do. In this case, while certain members of congress were aware of what the executive branch decided themselves were appropriate actions, and while some of those members of congress (including your horrid senator, Feinstein), agreed with the executive branch interpretation of the law, other members of congress evidently disagreed but were threatened by the executive branch with criminal charges should they talk publicly about the activities.

Snowden's revelations outed the unconstitutional actions of the executive branch, actions practiced by (at least) the last two administrations. This is a good thing, regardless of how many of us suspected or even knew this was going on.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein


The libertarians ? Like who?

What revelations are being made that Ron Paul didn't made in 07?

Who in congress was threatened?

snowball is a pawn and THE SPIGOT has an agenda

This is good for what?

What was GOOD was Ron Paul appropiations act to end this mess back in 08.

Libertarians like those of us

Libertarians like those of us here, and like minded progressives elsewhere.

Because Greenwald - a progressive - is the reporter, these revelations are reaching a wider audience than that reached by Ron Paul. That's just the political reality.

They're on the defensive, Granger, don't you see that? Suggesting this is a setup is a long stretch.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

To be honest

I think many here are Obama voters who feel lost and the illusion of the Libertarian Party is appealing, so they are trying the boots on for size.. for example.. "like minded progressives".. Progressives are Liberal. The Libertarian Party was NOT Liberal back in 76 when I joined.. now I'm seeing that there is a movement to make the Lobertarian Party LIBERAL (Obama blowback).

I don't feel defensive. I left the LP 20 years ago and don't miss itr, don;'t worry about it, know what it is, why it is.. and when I was asked to infiltrait, I said NO THANKS. But I can tell you the LP is controlled.

GG os NOT a libertarian. THE SPIGOT is a perfect name for him.

Since you're seemingly retarded or a fraud,

showing your true colors more and more each day, I am going to conclude you didn't watch the interview. If you had, then you would already know, Alex, the host, from MSNBC, at 4:20, is who called GG a "spigot":


Just my TRUE colors shinning through

What are you smoke and mirrors?

I did watch it, and the shoe (THE SPIGOT) fits GG no matter who said it.

Here's an...

...article discussing the war on whistleblowers, from before this whole Snowden episode:


Hat's off to you, if you are bringing debate and discussion about 4th amendment/privacy issues to the fore in your local GOP. How have your efforts been received? I am not knocking the value of being on committees in general; just underscoring that the vibe I still get from mainline conservatives in such positions is that they care more about the 2nd Amendment issues than the 4th, etc.

Just because you and I have been aware of privacy issues for a while does not negate the importance of the extent of it being moved to the fore of the consciousness of the public at large. A general climate of questioning tyrannical abuses by those in power should only aid you in bringing up local examples of it to local (and national) audiences.

Have you ever heard the term


This is such OLD news.. we have been spied on for years, the NSA contract ends in a few months.. so why is it brought up now?

Right now I have a liberty committee.. it's a lot like DP.. we don't all agree on everything, but we do show up and get to work..

With this, we will be looking at how to protect our county from the state, and how we can stop the state from spying on us.

Yes? Who is Obama persecuing?

You see the non-disclosure different than I do..

First, what wolfe is talking about is international, not domestic. That is important because snowden is about domestic/NSA, not international, with military and contractors.. who do not have a private life.. when you join the military, you give up your civilian rights, even off duty.. and if you read the papers, you also give up your rights to sue the MIC.

Military does ot have whistleblower laws.. they have a completely differnt court system known as tribunal.

Government contractors, like snowden, depending on his contract, may or may not.

Some folks who are aware of all this and go to join the military refuse to sign some papers, and depending on where they will be working.. may or may not get in (It was the best kept secret to avoid the draft during Nam.. do not sign the MIC contracts).

Obama has a job to protect the government.. there is nothing wrong with that. Our problem has been that in protecting the government, he (and a chian of presidents before him, each setting the other up) have turned to protecting the people as the way to protect the government.. where we the people do not want the government to protect us, but to protect our rights, which we have been losing.

Great Interview

Greenwald is an excellent communicator. He does very well to use these opportunities on the main stream to say things that would otherwise never be uttered.

Thank you for posting this interview.

with pleasure :)

cheers 2 all

Nice interview. Thanks Golden.

I think Greenwald does a great job in these interviews. Very intelligent, professional, to the point, he doesn't wander in his responses, but sticks to the issue, and he does a good job of exposing the corruption and hypocrisy of our own gov't.

I don't know much about him, but obviously is American, and yet he's working for foreign press. I guess that makes sense, since there are virtually ZERO investigative reporters here in America that can find employment. You have to go independent like Ben Swann or change careers or sell out, like 99.99% of them regrettably do.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Greenwald bio 4 U :)


Greenwald was born on March 6, 1967, in New York City, the son of Arlene and Daniel Greenwald.[17] Shortly after his birth Greenwald moved with his family to South Florida.[6][18] While a senior in high school, at 17, he ran unsuccessfully for the city council.[19] He earned a B.A. from George Washington University in 1990 and a J.D. from New York University Law School in 1994.[6]

Litigation attorney

Greenwald practiced law in the Litigation Department at Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz (1994–1995); in 1996 he co-founded his own litigation firm, called Greenwald Christoph & Holland (later renamed Greenwald Christoph PC), where he litigated cases concerning issues of U.S. constitutional law and civil rights.[6][18] According to Greenwald, "I decided voluntarily to wind down my practice in 2005 because I could, and because, after ten years, I was bored with litigating full-time and wanted to do other things which I thought were more engaging and could make more of an impact, including political writing."[18]


In February 2007, Greenwald became a contributing writer at Salon.com, and the new column and blog superseded Unclaimed Territory, though Salon.com prominently features hyperlinks to it in Greenwald's dedicated biographical section.[20][21]

Among the frequent topics of his Salon articles were the investigation of the 2001 anthrax attacks, and the candidacy of former CIA official John O. Brennan for the jobs of either Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (D/CIA) or the next Director of National Intelligence (DNI) after the election of Barack Obama. Brennan withdrew his name from consideration for the post after opposition centered in liberal blogs and led by Greenwald.[22][23][24][24][25][26] Brennan would, however, take up the leadership position at the CIA in March 2013.

The Guardian

Greenwald left Salon.com on August 20, 2012 for The Guardian, citing "the opportunity to reach a new audience, to further internationalize my readership, and to be re-invigorated by a different environment" as reasons for the move.[27]

On June 5, 2013, Greenwald helped scoop the story on the top-secret FISA court order requiring Verizon to provide the National Security Agency with telephone metadata for all calls between the US and abroad, as well as all domestic calls.[28][29][30]

GG had previously stated he left the US because

his partner was not granted equal benefits (something along those lines.)

A few months older than me!

Thanks for posting a little of his bio. I've heard that he leans left or is a socialist, but whatever, I judge a man by his fruits and he has been some really good work on civil rights and exposing gov't corruption. Looks like a friend to the Liberty movement in many ways, despite the reputation of his former and current employers.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford


Socialists with a good (Austrian) economic education become libertarians. He should be teachable.

What do you think? http://consequeries.com/

They become self LABELED libertarians

But they do not become FREEDOM lovers. They are the ones who tell you what to do, what to think, bully you, act as a collective.

They don't get sovreignity and don't stand up for themselves.. they are crowd pleasers.. want to go along to get along and they twist things..

Libertarian Party was designed to marginalize.. and that's what it does best, acting as a spoiler. We have a lot of new people who voted for Obama.. they still have the same mind set, but ae angry with Obama.. but they HATE the GOP (all MSM propeganda).

Know what is the biggest socialist group in the USA? Our military.

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James Clapper is an unconvicted felon!

Love that he keeps spreading this meme!

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