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Hawaii Official Now Swears: No Obama Birth Certificate

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

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this is posted here to

leave a new viewer the impression that the daily paul is the barely breathing body of the birther beast..

tasmlab's picture

Do you mean the government doesn't follow the constitution????

Do you mean the government doesn't follow the constitution????

And the American people don't care???

Appalled.

Currently consuming: Gatto: "Underground history of education..", FDR; Wii U; NEP Football

The notarized Affidavit

can be viewed here:

http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?attachment_id=102876

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

I;d love to see

the objections to it and the Judge's ruling on same. Because those must exist if this was ever used. Just sayin'

Oh, found it:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/88910250/Purpura-Moran-Initial-Dec...

"Footnote 3. Several exhibits were offered that were not accepted into evidence. Others, related to the challenge tothe birth certificate, were never offered after the issue at bar was clarified. The rejected exhibits includedan affidavit of Timothy Lee Adams, an Order of the Alabama Supreme Court deemed irrelevant to thiscase, and a photocopy of what on its face is a Selective Service Registration Form, which has no evidenceas to the authenticity of the document from which the internet copy was made."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Its too late for anything to happen during this presidency

But likely if any of this is true it will come out during the next president's tenure.

Obama and his regime are just too powerful to ever let anything like this come out under his watch.

Too late? There's 2 years left for this to come out

Considering how much things have accelerated in recent weeks, something will come out.

"But likely if any of this is true it will come out during the next president's tenure."

LMFAO! Do not hold your breath. This Establishment "Boys Club" protects all its members. Is Bush in jail? Is Chaney in jail? They have been found guilty of war crimes in courts outside of the US and yet people are deep in their slumber over anything going on beyond their isolated world-view.

"Obama and his regime are just too powerful to ever let anything like this come out under his watch."

All that power is a false illusion. A literal "Man-behind-the-curtain" except he's hiding behind a PDF FILE.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Ok so now what

The whole gov is sold out. The supreme court is appointed by installed usurper puppets. There aint no sherrif in town to make the arest.

sovereign

I

Don't care what anybody tells me. Obama was not born in the U.S.

Probably 85% of the people in this country agree.

And about 60% of the people don`t give a shit for the " rule of law".
They either haven`t been exposed to the law (the Constitution) or they have been trained to believe that the majority rule of a democracy trumps the law of the land. These are the enemies of Liberty and Freedom that must be defeated. Or they must be educated in the truth and liberty that was drummed out of their minds in the government schools.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Ever hear of hearsay

A guy signs an affadavit that someone else who might know something told him something? That's pretty lame. Why have an affadavit at all? What does it say?

"I, Joe Blow declare as follows:

I don't know anything about the subject of this affadavit

I don't have firsthand knowledge of the contents of this affadavit

However, I was briefly in the presence of someone who might have such knowledge.

And that guy said that there was no birth certificate (if I heard or understood him correctly, that is)."

dur her hur hurdy durdy dur her

Yeah, that'll fly. ROFL IDIOTS!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

2 down votes ?

I don't get it
what was mentioned in that comment is hearsay
evidence,it was not first hand knowledge
down vote things that are not right,false
or lies.
are we down voting because we don't like the dude?
this is the way it looks to me
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Another idiot

who's been at the DP about a year. Seems like there's lots of them.

Why was this upvoted?

Oh right, because this site, like every other political site, is filled with emotional reactionaries.

The 'age' of an account on a single, somewhat well-known website does not in any way measure how honest/sincere/intelligent/credible the person using it is. Is The Granger more credible than say, gomez, simply because Granger is 'older'?

It's an overused, nonsensical argument that carries a hint of elitism. Sound familiar?

EDIT: For the record, I also think boneless chicken farmer's "blabber blabber" replies are pretty childish...although there is usually a logical argument hidden amongst his douchebaggery.

A signature used to be here!

Riiiigght

That's a new one.

So, if I've been at the site for a year, once I cross that threshold, I become one who lacks credibility. Ok great. Send me a PM when I pass the next arbitrary threshold and suddenly become credible again.

Isn't this contradictory to those who say I have sock puppet accounts, which I don't? How do you know which one is oldest? Hmmm?

Or those who say I must be a government agent/prosecutor/ etc? I could have been watching you from my NSA cubicle, while chatting up dick cheney at the watercooler!

Or what about those that are sure that I am being paid to post here by the republicans/democrats/whoever else?

You know the REAL problem: You insular group of mommy s basement dwelling shut ins that dominate the board (sometimes at least) are idiots that can't handle the following things: 1) truth 2) differing opinions 3. differing backgrounds or 4) true libertarianism

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

What makes you a true libertarian?

Because you don't come across as one

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Well, thank you for asking

a true libertarian is one who believes in small government, i.e., minarchism. Not anarchism.

I view the founding fathers as true libertarians. Libertarian philosophy developed from appreciating their views and how they came to them and the rarity of that in the history of human society.

A libertarian believes in laws that maximize individual liberty. However, this is not an absolute - there still have to be laws, courts, etc, just as there has to be some kind of government in a minarchist society.

A libertarian believes in the bill of rights, as it was intended by the founding fathers that drafted it, and not as it has been interpreted by the courts, politicians, congress, or even as modified in modern times by any of these.

A libertarian believes there don't need to be laws to solve every issue - there don't need to be laws for victimless crimes (usually), or for things that don't involve a mens rea (criminal intent), or to "criminalize" a sin.

A libertarian believes that the government often does more harm than good, when it meddles in the affairs of other countries, when it tries to redistribute wealth, when it tries to socially engineer.

A libertarian believes that rights belong to individuals and not to groups, corporations, societies, etc.

A libertarian must be of certain intelligence and information level, as one must understand the concepts of the Constitution, free market economics, freedom, freedom of contract, speech, etc., and the interplay of the issues, and the historical context of the drafting of the Constitution, in order to really be a libertarian.

There is nothing about libertarianism that involves the following things:

There is no reason a libertarian would have to have a staunch viewpoint on "birther" issues.

There is no reason a libertarian would have to buy into any specific theory about 9-11

There is no reason a libertarian would have to be a conspiracy theorest, generally

There is no reason a libertarian would have to want to abolish all government, courts, lawyers, politicians, schoolteachers, or others

There is no reason a libertarian would have to favor uneducated viewpoints of societal issues over those that are educated. In fact, one of the reasons we have the remarkable Constitution we have, and what little freedom we have, was the educated status of many of the founding fathers.

There is no reason a libertarian would have to be a fan of any particular figure like alex jones, orly potaitoz, or even ron paul (though I am a fan of his)

There is no reason why a libertarian would have to like this website or some of the persons who post here

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

you

and ira both should take your pissing match elsewheres. I'm stunned seeing elitist sentiment spewing out the mouths of people on these boards proclaiming themselves libertarians, you should both be ashamed.

You were doing ok until

you got to the second half control freak part.

FAIL!

Just can't shake the superiority complex can you?

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Once again YOU fail

because you don't understand libertarianism. But you're not on my level, are you?

Yeah, I tell you what. One doesn't go through law school without a healthy ego, and perhaps some level of narcisism and some unhealthy and unrealistic ideas of what law as a career, or law school, will do for one. But I have to say, I am not sure that is ""inferior" to someone that thinks being a libertarian is being a "truther" or a "birther" or a Jones fanatic. Do you realize that there are persons who valued libertarianism before 9-11? Before George Bush? Before Ron Paul? Before any of the issues that brought you to it? Your own "superiority complex" won't allow you to consider what made those persons libertarians.

I'll just consider myself happy to know a few real libertarians from real life, and I can tell you they are far preferable to be around. Yeah, that's right. Us old dudes, who went to the ron paul dinners to help fund the campaign, who drove to the university events, those grey, recedint hairline types. Yep. They are libertarians too.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I've always been a libertarian. I was born this way. You can

ask my parents and they'll tell you how I've always been completely different than the rest of the sheeple.

I've sued 80 year old ladies because they were not honoring their contract. I ALWAYS fight criminal government. Just the other day I kicked code enforcement off my property because I refused to buy a permit. County Attorneys hate me. Judges yell at me then leave me alone because I expose them online for the rats that they are.

Don't see many lawyers making these kinds of stands!

You, you're just a control freak who thinks he's smarter than anyone else because he became a lawyer. Lawyer, big wooopityfreakingdo!!!

Keep denying yourself the truth about the real world. Keep yourself holed up in your little ivory tower.

BTW, I travel the world and meet with libertarians. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars to attend libertarian conferences just to make sure my head stays screwed on straight. My first "wife" and I refused to get married because we didn't want the 3 way contract with the state. When we finally separated, guess what? NO LAWYER!

I've got libertarian friends on 3 three continents. I have the keys to their homes, welcome anytime. When I go I don't get preached to because of what I listen to (I rarely listen to Jones, but agree with lots of what he says), or my views on 9-11, or the drug laws, or any other BS thing that annoys you or them.

True libertarians believe in letting anyone live the life they want to live as long as it doesn't harm them or others. You are a fake libertarian!

Why do you care if someone uses sov. cit. arguments in court? I don't. Why do you care if someone doesn't believe the official 911 lie? You want to keep your head buried in the sand? FINE! How does it affect you what I or others think or believe? It doesn't! But you are a controller and you are here to try and tell others how they should live their life. Good luck with that you fake libertarian, Mr. didn't come around here until Mittens lost!

Just because you went to a Ron Paul event doesn't make you a libertarian. Just because you have grey hair doesn't make you any wiser than anyone else. I know 20 year old kids that are better libertarians than you are!!!

That fact that you include me in your tag line repeating your immature lines shows what a dufus you are. I can just imagine what your clients have to go through.

Keep talking, the more you do the more we know who, what, where you are!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

two things you don't know very well

first, you don't know me very well. Second, you don't know yourself very well.

I've had my libertarian beliefs since undergrad, where I studied economics. I grew them in law school. I finally embraced them fully when the Republican party decided it had to be anti-libertarian. I have been known to stand up quite stringently for myself as well.

It IS true that as a lawyer, I'm not going to go apeshit and put a lampshade on my head in court. That doesn't do anything for getting business, staying employed, or remaining a lawyer, so I don't do that. However, that does not make me less effective, which is where you go wrong. If you can't control yourself in court, you need a lawyer for precisely that reason. Hopefully you never have to learn that the hard way.

Now about you:

While you like to cast stones, saying that I am a control freak, let's look at that allegation. I say one doesn't need to be a truther/birther/conspiracy theorist to be a libertarian. You say that makes ME a control freak. I didn't say you couldn't be one, I just said that is not libertarianism, because, it isn't. So, it is YOU who is being a control freak by insisting that one share your beliefs on these peripheral issues. And yet you don't even see that.

You didn't get legally married. Good for you! Am I supposed to criticize this?

You spend money to go to libertarian conferences? Whoop-de-doo.

You don't understand my opposition to sov cit arguments. Those arguments are not based in minarchism/libertarianism or upon anything the founding fathers espoused, and usually involve inaccurate interpretations of laws and history and fabricated documents and fabricated definitions and frankly just insanely stupid analysis. Further, the people who use them always lose, and are always trying to get others who are innocent to throw their legal merits in the garbage can and instead use their non-libertarian crackpot theories. I have always disliked stupidity and conmen and frauds. And the whole sov cit thing has nothing to do with libertarianism other than there are some fans who are fans of both. So there are plenty of reasons to dislike it.

And why do You care if I am smart enough to say "I don't know all the facts and details on 9-11." That is far more honest than some dude in the basement watching youtube videos to gain instant knowledge of flight, metallurgy, architecture, world affairs, etc.

You minimize my involvement, which you know nothing about, by saying "just because I went to a ron paul event." You have no reason to minimize it in that way and that is essentially, dishonest as you are basing that on pure speculation. But again, it seems you base much of your life and your attitude (which is really what you're all about) on speculation.

I think you, without knowing it, are exposing yourself as one who doesn't even engage in intellectual honesty with hisself, much less with others. that doesn;t mean youre not a libertarian, it doesn't mean you have no good qualities, but it does mean you are pretty clueless about how you interact

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I know more than you think. I know enough about you here to know

you aren't much of a libertarian. You think you are intellectually superior. You think you are smarter because you spent so much time and money in college. Good luck with that narcissist!

Enjoy your superior fucked up life!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

It seems to me

that you too are engaging in somewhat of a superiority complex, Mr. I spent thousands of dollars at libertarian conventions and like to throw tantrums in court, etc. Perhaps it takes a narcisist to know one? Denial ain't just a river in Egypt!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Just because I don't take shit from the man in the black robe

doesn't mean I throw tantrums. It means I'm not selling my soul, something you do every single time you go to court. I don't have to kiss his ass, you do. I'm free, you're a slave to the shitsem.

I mentioned the conferences because you arrogantly said I just don't understand libertarianism and am not on your level. You see, my learning didn't stop at the ivory tower.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

oooh

it means you are not selling your soul. Well, you got me. You're not selling your soul. All those guys in the black robes are out to get you.

You know what, arguing with you is futile.

You're definitely more libertarian than me. And smarter, and probably more handsome and wealthier and can pee farther on certain days (depending upon relative humidity and other contributory atmospheric conditions). I bet you know more about 9-11 theories and have an Alex Jones doll that you sleep with every night (anatomically correct version with 1/8" penis). I bet you also sell your poop to fragrance manufacturers in France to enhance their colognes with your rarified intestinal tones of nachos and fries.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I knew you'd come around

fake libertarian

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

I suspect

that you're winning very little with your tirade, go on without me.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

You're the one who attacks people here for living how

they want to live. You call that being a winner??? A reasonable person would call that controlling!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Just whatever

You know what, I'm tired of this. In case you haven't noticed, I'm really not trying to keep arguing with you about nothing.

I've never, not once, said any of the things you're attributing to me. I've never said you can't have a belief in 9-11 theories or these other things you're into and be a libertarian. I suspect you're smart enough to know that, but for some reason want to misrepresent and twist and argue. Go ahead. I don't think you're fooling anyone anymore and I've made my views clear enough already.

I'll admit I've been a bit obnoxious at this site lately, mainly because I've been debating with others who were being obnoxious. But that doesn't excuse my actions, and I'm going to rise above it now. To the extent I offended you with what I thought was humor and sarcasm, my apologies.

I don't expect you to stop, and indeed it seems that flailing your arms and foaming at the mouth (not literally) are part of your image, so have at it, Mr. Super-Libertarian. I don't expect it to work any better than it does in court

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

deacon's picture

here lately?

you have been obnoxious?
I bet you actually believe that too? shall we take a look at your posts here
for confirmation about how LATELY IT ACTUALLY WAS?
http://www.dailypaul.com/293318/sovereign-citizens-manifesto

http://www.dailypaul.com/287173/major-image-problem-for-sove...

http://www.dailypaul.com/293290/i-prefer-reynold-tm-brand

Now,by going by these posts,should anyone believe that your obnoxious behavior was recent?,or would/could someone get the idea that all you want to do is try to cause trouble?
could/should/would they believe you are honest,caring and part of something greater?
Or would these same people get the idea that all you want to do,or are trying to do,is be contrary? and on purpose?
think what you will,but from what i have read from others and yourself
your whole purpose in life is just to bother,nitpick,and talk down to anyone you meet
how is this for a first impression?
And you know full well,when we first chatted here,i tried to help you
I even went so far as to state why you weren't listened to,weren't heard
and most who came in contact with you here,had a bad feeling about you
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence