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Hawaii Official Now Swears: No Obama Birth Certificate

Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by his supervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi’olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities.

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a couple of things

those are all recent

You cite to stormfront and david icke and you argue endlessly about things you know nothing about. So, I don't really care if you have others who agree with you. You're not going to find me agreeing with sovcit mythology.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

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shall i post again why i gave you and the other dude them links?

i can,and just for you, i will
here it is
Submitted by deacon on Thu, 07/11/2013 - 18:25. Permalink

you 2 didn't really think i was going to post
any links from real sites,did you?
but i did specifically pick the 2 just for you both,as this is how i view
you both :)
i knew you would be haunting this topic,just waiting for my post,so i killed 2 birds with but one stone,and i saved time and energy
tis funny,after all this time here,and as many times as i told you,i wouldn't help you,you still think i am going to
deacon
Now tell me,does this sound like i read form them sites,or does it sound like
the 2 of you weren't worthy of anything meaningful,mind you,you added nothing
at all worth while,nor were your posts geared to learn anything
they were though,all about your ability to be able to snicker,gloat,
pat yourself on the back,and just be sarcastic,and condescending
i will add this before closing,this all came about AFTER i tried to help you,not before,so you just might say,you bring about your own demise,and turn about is fair game
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Apology

accepted!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

The more there are

the easier they are to spot. Always the same tactic of talking down to people while making no relevant counter arguments backed by any facts. It's like the 2012 election all over again.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

ok, so "no releveant arguments" and "no facts"

well, how about we just start with the one post you were referring to.

I point out that it would be a declaration based upon hearsay and therefore questionable. And that is absolutely true. Where are your "relevant arguments" or "actual facts" that counter this? Hmmm? It seems you are projecting very much here.

It was a perfectly valid point for a discussion of the affadavit. Ok, my approach, i.e., laughing at you guys, wasn't the best, but it DID make a very good point - and one that I will add - was NOT made in the two years since the original post was placed here. What does that mean? For one, that no one with any legal training (aside from me) bothered to comment on the post. What does that say?

Libertarianism started out as a theory that pretty much needed a legal education to understand. Many early libertarians are and were lawyers. But you don't have very many of them here. Why? What does that say?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Well, at least you admit it

"Ok, my approach, i.e., laughing at you guys, wasn't the best..."

Never is.

So, can you explain to me what you say is "hearsay"? That's the part I'm lost on. He signed a legal document under oath, did he not? Why would he sign it if what he heard from whoever wasn't true?

And since there is plenty of evidence to show a considerable effort to keep this information hidden, is it not an important development in the investigation?

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

hearsay

the legal definition of hearsay is

a) an out of court statement (e,g., someone told him there was no birth certificate)

b) not under oath (the person saying it was not under oath)

c) offered to prove the truth of the matter asserted (offered to prove there was no birth cert)

It is hearsay. The fact that someone else signed a declaration under oath doesn't eliminate the hearsay that it contains, from another person. Sometimes there can be two or three layers of hearsay.

Edit: At the risk of further offending with TRUTH I will say the following: Everyone learns the hearsay rule in their Evidence class, typically taught in first or second year of law school. And, further, Orly Taitz is well-aquainted with the hearsay rule. Is she really such a trooper if all she has is hearsay and has no way around it? My point is that it is totally foreseeable that if you submit the discussed affadavit to a court, you can anticipate the other attorney will object to its admission on hearsay grounds, and that the objection will be sustained. (There are other reasons why it might be objectionable as well). So, given that such is totally foreseeable, to any lawyer, what good is it???

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

THIS is how you should have replied in the first place

At least now I understand what you are saying. And I have to agree. It would seem to me that this could be the equivalent of attempting to throw a stick in someone's spokes, by that I mean that this "evidence" could just be an attempt to make the investigation look illegitimate. Even if that is the case, it must mean the investigation is getting close to the truth.

Thanks for the legal clarity on this. We're not all lawyers so any KIND explanation is much appreciated.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

You know what?

You're right about that I apologize for the tone of the first post.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

No worries.

There's a lot going on to get worked up about and become divided over. However, I think we just kicked that to the curb :)

Apologies for insinuating you weren't being genuine.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

you have to defeat a person with brains not pdf files

ideas will rule the day ..we have none.....

The President of the United States is a Mojado?

He`ll probably qualify for the "Dream Act".
He`s the President , he don`t need no stinkin papers.
Don`t let this get out to the New Black Panthers.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

Bumper

Guess I can put my bumper sticker of Obama's face along with the words "Undocumented Worker" back onto my truck. That'll get'em rolling!

Waste of time

Nothing will come about from any of this. Nothing will change. That's reality for you.

Corporations own this country.

Corporations do not own a dam thing

If I may change it up a little and say. Rothschild's Appear to Hold Shares in Every Major Company Fortune 500 Corporation. http://www.dailypaul.com/223527/rothschilds-appear-to-hold-s...

Now to state that corps are evil is about like saying guns are evil. The corp does nothing but what the owners and controllers allow.

R O T H S C H I L D, replace the word corp with the words ZIONIST ROTHSCHILD and I can 100% agree, by stating that corps are the evil you play into their hand.

The entire purpose of the corp (opposed to what the liar education teaches) Is to Hide the Rothschild wealth under layers of corporatons. After all when you have enslaved humanity with false debt through counterfeit operations in central banks all over earth, you dont want everyone to know who you are. You have stolen their wealth for generations.

Hide ownership and deflect responsiblility. Monsonto can poison and kill millions damage nature but we all know its Monsanto not the owners of monsanto. The owners we dont know. The real Dr. Frankenstein hids behind layers of corporations.

All said and done I do agree we need to outlaw corporate abilities to hide ownership and responsibility. A change must occure to stop the top human criminals from hiding under layers of corporations shuriking responsibility for their evil actions.

Contrary to what the sold out puppet NON Supremem Court says corps are not human and should not enjoy any human rights.

sovereign

This is

not a waste of time. This stuff right here can get him impeached if people would start to listen.

True, not a waste of time

Can he be impeached if he isn't really president though? Would he not just be tried under the espionage act or something as a foreign usurper?

Anyone with Law expertise able to break this down?

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

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It's time for men of integrity to stand up, regardless of any

perceived consequences, and do what is right. All this "thinking" of what may or may not happen is what causes hesitancy over what to do. It is a fact he released a fraudulent document of his birth, has released other questionable documents, and has hidden records of his past. That is all that matters.

Undo what Wilson did

As a graphic designer, my jaw dropped

when I myself downloaded the PDF of the "LF-BC" FILE and opened it with Adobe Illustrator (a common practice to see if any items in the file can be removed or copied out). But when that file opened on my comp and I saw the way it was CONSTRUCTED with 9 Perfectly assembled layers... :O

Now, as a Canadian, this freaked me the f* out because I realized you guys have a fraud posing as your president. You actually haven't had a president in office since 2008. Instead, you have some corporately groomed CEO of USA Inc. Every Corporately favoured law and executive order this Fraud has signed is RIGHT NOW completely and legally invalid as a result. All these "ISSUES" imposed on the people of your nation are illusions, fraudulent ones, nothing more. You have ACTUAL CRIMINALS running your government.

If THIS isn't your #1 priority to help expose or even support its exposure, then sadly it feels as if you have already lost because everything that's going on in your nation and around our world is being done fraudulently whether you got played by Trump and now believe this is an irrelevant joke and why should you care anyway, or not.

WAKE UP!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

After I first heard the news

After I first heard the news I was a bit in disbelief so I checked the doc out myself. I was as shocked as you were when I saw those layers. And even more shocked that those layers were in a document that I downloaded directly from the WH's website where it was posted.

...

They'll say the layers were there because the scanning

software scans text and makes it editable. I reply with the question, "so why didn't it catch even a single letter".
Those who actually spend a few minutes dispassionately looking into the Obama birth certificate/citizenship issue will find that something is very very very unusual with our president's life story. Little minds stop at "that's just silly".

I havent seen the layers for

I havent seen the layers for myself (besides a youtube vid of a guy doing it) but even without seeing the layers you can tell it is faked. Half off the handwriting on there is done digitally, not scanned. This can be seen by an abrupt change from complete black to whatever the background is. A scanner wouldn't pick up completely black and it would also fade to the background slightly.

What stood out to me immediately

was the odd "curve" in the "paper" on the left-hand side of the "Document" that to me looked completely fake. That was the only thing that made me want to open it with Illustrator to see what was going on.

This is like the ultimate test to see how well they have dumbed people down, not just in the US but around the world as well.

shhh! Just don't tell them people are waking up. It'll spoil the surprise.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

If you believe this crap...

then Ted Cruz is ineligible to run for president.

Wasn't Cruz born in Canada to

Wasn't Cruz born in Canada to Cuban parents?

He was born in Calgary

his mother was from Wilmington, Delaware and his father left Cuba in the 1950s to study at the University of Texas and subsequently became a naturalized citizen.

Ted Cruz was born of two US citizens. He is eligible to run for president.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

His dada didn't become a us

His dad didn't become a us citizen until 2005. Not that it matters.

It used to matter

Until Amerikans became lazy intellectual sloths like Spineless Chicken.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Even if..

The proof was far beyond a reasonable doubt, what would it accomplish? Is this the biggest crime this man has committed?

Instead of fighting on a technicality that really doesn't matter, why not focus on his actions while President?

Whether he was born in Hawaii, Kenya, Indonesia, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.. it doesn't matter!

If you care about the rule of

If you care about the rule of law, with the Constitution being the supreme law of the land, then it does matter!

U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United Strates, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

If Obama is a proven fraud, then all of his Presidential executive orders, mandates, wars, and his NSA flying monkeys who are reading and recording as I type, become UNLAWFUL. It does matter.