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Mood Shifting; Congress May Move to Limit NSA Spying

By David Lightman, Kate Irby and Ben Kamisar | McClatchy Washington Bureau

WASHINGTON — Congress is growing increasingly wary of controversial National Security Agency domestic surveillance programs, a concern likely to erupt during legislative debate _ and perhaps prod legislative action _ as early as next week.

Skepticism has been slowly building since last month’s disclosures that the super-secret NSA conducted programs that collected Americans’ telephone data. Dozens of lawmakers are introducing measures to make those programs less secret, and there’s talk of denying funding and refusing to continue authority for the snooping.

The anxiety is a sharp contrast to June’s wait-and-see attitude after Edward Snowden, a government contract worker, leaked highly classified data to the media. The Guardian newspaper of Britain reported one program involved cellphone records. The Guardian, along with The Washington Post, also said another program allowed the government access to the online activity of users at nine Internet companies.

Obama administration officials quickly provided briefings about the programs, and they continue to have strong defenders at the Capitol. “People at the NSA in particular have heard a constant public drumbeat about a laundry list of nefarious things they are alleged to be doing to spy on Americans _ all of them wrong,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said last month. “The misperceptions have been great, yet they keep their heads down and keep working every day to keep us safe.”

Most in Congress remain reluctant to tinker with any program that could compromise security, but lawmakers are growing frustrated. “I think the administration and the NSA has had six weeks to answer questions and haven’t done a good job at it. They’ve been given their chances, but they have not taken those chances,” said Rep. Rick Larsen, D-Wash

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Cyril's picture

Oh, hey there, dear Kongress,

Oh, hey there, dear Kongress,

How was your nap? Anywayz...

And once you're done reconsidering that NSA thing, you may want to double check these earmarks, too:


Ya know, "just in case"...

You're much welcome.

Thanky thanx!

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Congress has one mood

Self greed.


"and refusing to continue authority for the snooping"

And WHO exactly gave them the Authority to abrogate the 4th Amendment???

No one has the Authority to give such Authority.

"Most in Congress remain reluctant to tinker with any program that could compromise security"

Reworded: "Most in Congress remain diligent in tinkering with any program that could compromise Liberty."

more BS from congress, bottom

more BS from congress, bottom line unless they give snowden immunity to testify against the corrupt us gov. Our US Congress is full of crap!!

Ron Paul 2016

Bitching and moaning aint

Bitching and moaning aint getting nowhere. The path to change is only through the congress, like it or not. Shout in their faces! Show your representative that outraged person, instead of leaving frustrations here to fester. When policy, driven by outraged populations, force law change, this country will begin to get back to constitutional norms, because the resultant LAW will say so. Until then all the 'hang 'em high' shouting and 'it's no use' resignations are a waste of otherwise good liberty engendering efforts found here in DP. Like vote out the incumbents, like term limit -2 terms, like dissolve the FED, like contacting congressmen with 'are you supporting the Bill of Rights with your _________ support?" Get out of this ineffective bashing binge. It feels good, and does zilch. For me, it's not black or white, but making lighter shades of grey! Positive or proactive is one h... of a lot better than that.

throw the bums out ... with a vengeance

... start with the scumbag judges

The Spirit Is Willing But The Flesh Is Weak - They're Demagogues

I'll believe it when it Congress can turn their rhetoric into reality

Liberty is growing outside the halls of congress - Spread them brush fires!


When Prisms are axed and the storage centers sold for scrap.

Until then it's just political noise designed to mesmerize the feeble-minded.

Free includes debt-free!

Right. Until then we will get what we always get from politician

Oppressive laws and Lipservice to Liberty. Future generations will tear up listening to the flowery speeches while they walk around with microchips up their asses.

Leges sine moribus vanae

egapele's picture

The wheel in the sky keeps on turning [towards liberty]

I've been trying to make it home
Got to make it before too long
I can't take this very much longer
I'm stranded in the sleet and rain
Don't think I'm ever gonna make it home again
The mornin' sun is risin'
It's kissing the day

Great, great news.

“People at the NSA in

“People at the NSA in particular have heard a constant public drumbeat about a laundry list of nefarious things they are alleged to be doing to spy on Americans _ all of them wrong,” House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, R-Mich., said last month. “The misperceptions have been great, yet they keep their heads down and keep working every day to keep us safe.”

Well Mr. Rogers then why don't you and your Congressional colleagues enlighten the public as to what they really are doing, rather than having us imagine the worst? Could it be because our imagination is actually accurate, or even underestimating the nefarious activities?

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

wolfe's picture

One month....

I bet they will let the "libertarians" have their way, "reduce" spying by a tiny fraction, just so that within one month, they can have a large "attack" that they can blame on us... "See this is what happens when you don't let us analyze your dog's poop for explosive devices." And double down on the surveillance.

I don't mean to feed "conspiracies", but this is just kinda obvious to me. I hope nothing like that happens... but...

That's really the trick. Finding a way to win no matter what happens. And when they don't play by rules, it is easy. So they spy, and we let them, and if something bad happens, "you didn't let us spy enough", and if nothing happens then, "see how well we are protecting you".

They win on the emotional argument which is why it is important to stick to principle.

The Philosophy Of Liberty -

I have an urge to say,

I have an urge to say, thankyou guys and gals, enjoying immensly your comments here :)

It all depends on how many

It all depends on how many dead politicians we get in the next few years when they die of old age or retire.

Entirely way to many old

Entirely way to many old guard and not enough young, if there is an age restriction, then they bloody got it to high or they are rail roaded by Career politicians" as one user below coined it

I dont think you should just have young people, i think you should have young people.....who truelly care, enough to spend time in their life to learn, relearn, or refine....whichever may apply

And take the unfair advantage of one nomination having way more money then his/her opponent.....thats not what its about, yoy shouldnt be able to BUY your position, you should earn it based on your word, action and trust

I saw this article

But didn't bother posting it as anyone who believes the Congress will do anything to defend and preserve the Constitution of the United States is living in a dream-world.

Where were they when Rand, Justin, Ted et al were sounding the..

NSA spying alarm early on?

Mid term election are coming up next year..."they" are just looking out for their "hides"...and taking advantage/"chanced upon" this issue-of-the-day.

Why should we believe

Why should we believe them?

Over at least the past 7 years the gov has proven that it is their intention to spy on us regardless of the law. AFAIK, nobody has been held accountable for past violations of the law in regards to any of this.

Mark Klein exposed the telecommunications interception facilities that collected and processed American communications.

That's related to the 'warrantless wiretaps' scandal of the Bush administration.

Then there's the whistle blower from 2008 exposing the wireless backdoor that the Feds have: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2008/03/whistleblower-f/

And let's not forget the "no warrantless wiretaps if you elect me" promises from Obama: http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html

Of course, the NSA's charter allows spying on those outside of the US while not intruding into the private communications of American citizens... they still specifically focused on Americans (to the point of excluding those outside of the US) in a recent incident reported by Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/06/05/nsas-ve...

They violate their oaths to our Constitution, they violate their organizational charters, they violate our rights under the 4th and other amendments, they violate the law and all the while treating The American People as though we are the enemy. It makes no sense whatsoever to believe that all of this simply goes away by adding a few amendments to laws passed by Congress. They have already proven themselves to have no care whatsoever for our laws.

The answer to all of this isn't what Congress will do about it. I believe the answer is for us to find solutions.

Part of the solution is to find and/or develop ways of protecting our private communications from anyone who would want to spy on us. Maybe something similar to how Bitcoin works, but for communications.

Another part of the solution is probably to support organizations who are on the front lines of this issue. The Electronic Frontier Foundation might be one of the organizations to support: https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying (maybe it would be worth holding moneybomb fundraisers for them, to help support their efforts).

And I suppose one of the most important things to do is to continue spreading the word about all of this.


Funny, lawmakers are in a

Funny, lawmakers are in a real quandary because the idea that the NSA has all their dirty deeds recorded probably has them finally concerned, on the other hand they are hesitant to fight the beast because it can reveal all their dirty secrets.

These various overreaches in

These various overreaches in the news lately just make my skin crawl. They can justify it anyway they want, call it "legal" or whatever, but it is outright creepy and unclean. It is also behavior that would not be tolerated by any other segment of society.

The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. - Heinlein

Cut off their blood supply, End The Fed....

and let's start talking term limits. NO Career Politicians.

The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Cut off the owners/controllers of the Fed and every

central bank, ROTHSCHILD and their private ZIO state of IzUnReal. Then humanity can be released from false debt slavery and engineered genocidal wars.


The only thing most politicians are interested in is

Being re elected. They will say anything to that end. As we all know the extent of global government spying is nothing new to them. It's just business as usual.

"A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote to keep things the same", Buckminster Fuller..
A choice for liberty is always a choice for liberty.

House Judiciary committee goes hunting

It came out that renewing the authority to collect all US citizen telephone data due in 2015 may stall in congress, because so many people can not fathom why it's necessary, and representatives are polling their constituents to that effect. Also if these disclosures continue, it may be a lot sooner than that, when congress will get some fire under their seats, and make laws bringing back constitutional guarantees into statutes, and, by new laws abolishing FISA secret law, diminish the overreach of current interpretations. Just sit back, observe, watch what's going on, don't get caught up in it. The snake is about to eat its tail.

If you have 4+ hours, see: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/event/221726

"May"????? They "MAY" do


They "MAY" do something to stop the shattering of the 4th amendment?

I tell you what, we WILL throw out anyone who stands in the way.

like we are going to believe them...

"I'm not gonna steal anymore" - A Thief
"I'm not gonna kill anymore" - A Murderer
"I'm not gonna enslave you anymore" - Congress

sure.. with your approval rating of -1... i believe you just like i believe all liars.

The truth is, we better be even more on guard because when congress says it's going to stop doing something, that means they have learned new tricks to conceal it.

I use Blue Wave, but don't expect one of THEIR silly taglines.


Agree with the comments below. Once government acquires whatever respective power it is practically impossible to be limited or eliminated. We will see a lot of acting and fake outrage from politicians who recognize most Americans disagree with this broad and invasive surveillance. But until the NSA buildings are demolished, I will remain skeptical (and even then the program will probably just move to a place like Area 51).


You can expect that they will just move it to Poland or some other black ops site like they did with the torture that they got caught at.


Defund the storage...

kill bluffdale, utah..
Justin Amash has it right.
they will just ignore the court/legislative constraints...
kill the storage.. checkmate.

Would value your opinions on

Would value your opinions on whether you think they're getting concerned for themselves or they're just feeling pressure from their constituencies.