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I have become an Anarchist.

I now believe that all governments are evil, and their only purpose is to supress the majority. The Native Americans lived without government and did well, a lot better than before the rich white men came and killed them off and stole their land. They used sound money as well.




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Old Biscuit Head, actually

People seem to become Shinto, Sunni, Jesuit, Hindu, Presbyterian, Episcopalean, Epicurean, Libertarian, Demoblican, or Repucrat, depending often on no more than where they are born and how they are raised. People are amazingly adaptable, and yes, to clarify, they are born utterly devoid of IDEOLOGICAL predispositions. Was the context really all that vague?

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you mentioned a bunch of

you mentioned a bunch of different cultures and religions. all that indicates to me is that people are born with a religious predisposition to believe in things in absence of evidence e., you didn't mention any people living in anarchism, so I'll consider that an admission that no such people exist.

Before you make such a giant

Before you make such a giant leap, "Forward," as MSNBC would say...

Try living without electricity, television, the internet, mail, public water (bathing), a cell phone, or a car for more than 3 months.

Contracts don't exist in world without law.

Cell phone? Contract. Cable TV? Contract. Car payment? Contract. Electricity? Contract. Natural Gas? Contract. Water? Contract.

All involve law, and your signature to back it.

Go live in the jungle for 12 weeks by yourself and then tell us how you feel about becoming an anarchist.

Supermarkets don't exist in the jungle of anarchy because they require property contracts, and insurance contracts that are backed by government laws and regulations. Shopping malls and gun shops don't exist either in true Anarchy Land.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

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Don't forget about Thunderdome

Besides living in the jungle, he should probably also learn how to fight a mohawked, machete bearing mutant in a one-on-one domed caged fight. And just to get a gallon of gas!

Currently consuming: Harry Browne, Free Domain Radio; JT Gatto and Holt; Wii U

Contracts precede law...

..and markets precede the state. Government exists and grows by violating and voiding contracts. A free market could not possibly embrace fiat scrip without the muscle of Legal Tender statute (backed up with lethal force.)

Oh, and by the way, where is this dystopic Anarchy Land? Since you expound so authoritatively about it, you've apparently visited.

dynamite anthrax supreme court white house tea party jihad
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West of 89
a novel of another america
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/161155#longdescr

contracts precede law... and

contracts precede law... and and markets precede the state.. yes.

and violence precedes both of them. pre law, pre state contracts simply operate on the basis of arbitrary, extra-legal, peer2peer violence, rather than codified, legal, predictable violence (courts).

i have never heard of actual written contracts existing without some enforcement apparatus or tribunal for settling disputes. perhaps verbal contracts. whats the point of a written contract if it cannot be submitted to an arbitrator with power over the two contracting parties?

well, they do exist. they're called treaties. a temporary peace established by agreement which either party can dissolve at any time. contract in absence of legal enforcement is just a treaty, broken at will without consequence whenever one party sees it can gain advantage.

there is no dystopic anarchyland, namely because there is no anarchyland at all. anarchy is that fleeting moment before order emerges.

Jesus wasn't an anarchist.

Jesus wasn't an anarchist. If he was, then why did God give Moses the 10 Commandments?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Anarchy means no government

It does not mean lawlessness. It just means there would be multiple producers of law.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

God's authority over Man, zo!

Not Man's authority over Man! If you're going to throw the G-card, at least get it right! It is insulting to God to arrogate to ourselves His authority.

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"I have become

"I have become Lawless."

Things Satan would say for $500 Alex.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

How can one be an anarchist

How can one be an anarchist and support the Bill of Rights at the same time?

How can one advocate anarchy within the written context of their 1st
Amendment rights and not be hypocritical at the same time?

In some countries, your head would be cut off for suggesting such a thing...because the rule of, "law," is seen differently throughout the world.

Your freedom of speech is protected by...gasp, LAW.

The Tea Party, created by Ron Paul back in 2007 was the result of a political framework of government that has worked very well since 1776. The idea was rooted in the 1st Amendment, codified by government law within the Constitution. The republican party is much different today than it was back in 2008 because of the numero uno law behind freedom of speech.

Government in itself is NOT BAD!

Responsibility? It's not our fault, it's the government's fault right? Well, we elected them!

The US government is a reflection of the People...hate to say it, but it's true. Our elected government is a reflection of ourselves. Many Americans are evil and rotten to the core as their elected politicians.

Anarchy in the USA?

Who will take away your garbage? Who will you call if your house gets robbed? Who will you call if you catch your neighbor stealing your mail? What will you do when a gang of lawless thieves enter your home and rape your wife and children? Call the police? What police? In the Land of Anarchy, there are no police, and politics don't exist because there is no law.

"Do what thou wilt, and that shall be the law."

Aleister Crowley said that, not me.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

How...

How can one be an anarchist and support the Bill of Rights at the same time?

Rights exist in the absence of the Bill of Rights. States are instituted to protect those rights and when a State becomes abusive of those ends, it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it.

...government that has worked very well since 1776.

Read history much? Do live in the same US I am currently living in? The country is broke. The People pay for a spying apparatus that is pointed at them. The State tortures people, drones citizens, and locks people away without due process. Congress represents K St NOT Main St. The wars are endless. Indefinite detention without due process for citizens has been codified into law. The current Administration has declared war on whistle-blowers and the press. On and on and on.

Working well for whom?

The US government is a reflection of the People...hate to say it, but it's true. Our elected government is a reflection of ourselves. Many Americans are evil and rotten to the core as their elected politicians.

The People are not the State! Does the State represent your views? Do you support the wars? Do you support "too big to fail" bailouts?

If the State is the People, I guess the Jews killed themselves. Ever read Anatomy of the State?

Further, when was the last time any significant portion of the People decided who the duopoly would put on the ballot? Politicians here are selected NOT elected.

Who will take away your garbage?

A private company picks up my trash already.

Who will you call if your house gets robbed?

Less than 13% of burglaries are solved!

Perhaps if the investigators' pay were correlated with success - such as in a market - I bet the rate would increase.

Who will you call if you catch your neighbor stealing your mail?

In a market situation, you would likely be able to lock your mailbox in such a way that only you and the mail person could unlock it. Easy.

What will you do when a gang of lawless thieves enter your home and rape your wife and children?

Police rarely if ever PREVENT this type of crime. If no one is there that is willing to defend them, it is unlikely it would be stopped. However, the mere existence of police gives people a false sense of security where they are likely less prepared to defend themselves. Besides that, in a free market, a better service would likely be available where people in high risk areas could pull together and pay a monthly fee to maintain security.

If police are so effective at preventing crime, why do neighborhood watch programs exist?

Many good rebuttals, but I

Many good rebuttals, but I just can't imagine America being a better place to live in without the rule of law itself.

To keep the Constitution and the rule of law, or to dissolve the nation state into a society of lawlessness?

Mad Max, Tina Turner and an evil midget? No thanks.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Translation

"I really can't refute anything you said, but...Mad Max!"

Come on , you can do better than that ! :)

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nothing has been established

nothing has been established for him to refute. just saying "in my opinion anarchy would be great" isn't a basis for someone to refute. all they can do is say "in my opinion, it would not." nothing else remains besides trying it out. set it up somewhere, make it work. let the market decide, let people vote with their feet.

if anarchy can't hold its own in a world of states, and defend itself from the ubiquitous social organization humans have chosen - the legal order of a state - what value is it? if it can't establish itself and spread itself outside of a state's protection, or if it requires every state to be abolished at once, it is just a religion.

in fact, as a religion it would gain much more force, staying power and respect, and inspire people toward the levels of civil disobedience and patient, enduring suffering that would be necessary to permanently establish anarchist communities in a world of states. the same way Tibetans or Buddhists survive despite their devotion to pacifism, amidst persecution.

if anarchism can't even persuade the majority of the dailypaul, or ron paul himself, or libertarians as a whole, or america's founding fathers, or the majority of austrian school economists, how could it be expected to convince a world of real people with non intellectual motives. people driven by their own indigence, cowardice, biases and prejudices, group mentalities, thoughtless conformity, lust for power, etc.

how dare you doubt the Magic

how dare you doubt the Magic of anarchy. its magic everyone will be so rich they can hire their own private bodyguards and armies to defend them and their protection agencies will be like the Unsullied for game of thrones and will never ever use force against their employer. stop asking questions, you're a Statist like Mises, Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul. should really be ashamed to come on here spreading such vile nonsense.

Not once have you outlined your ideal society

It's easy to attack other people's visions when you don't have one of you own. Or may be you do, but are afraid to paint it for us. Perhaps because all it would take is a couple of well placed brush strokes to turn your beautiful icon into a retarded Jesus.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

sour grapes. don't adopt

sour grapes. don't adopt fantasies if u can't defend them. this isn't a game of i show you mine you show me yours.

The Death of the State in Marx and Engels

"Marx did not begin by deducing the end of the state from any theory of his own. In point of fact, he found this concept ready-made. Its relation to Marxism will be clarified by a glance at its pre-Marxian background.

1. Anti-statism as Aspiration

The “abolition of the state” is one of the oldest ideas in the history of social dissent, older and more primitive than either socialism or anarchism as ideology or movement. An obvious speculation is that anti-statism would naturally arise with the beginnings of the state itself, in reaction to its new pressures, and that it would long survive as a reminiscence of a Golden Age. In any case, it is already found at least in ancient Greek and Chinese philosophy.

http://www.marxists.org/archive/draper/1970/xx/state.html

Straight from the horses freaking mouth.

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

lol is this satire? if so

lol is this satire?

if so upvote.

Society in every state is a

Society in every state is a blessing, but Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one: for when we suffer, or are exposed to the same miseries BY A GOVERNMENT, which we might expect in a country WITHOUT GOVERNMENT, our calamity is heightened by reflecting that we furnish the means by which we suffer. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise. For were the impulses of conscience clear, uniform and irresistibly obeyed, man would need no other lawgiver; but that not being the case, he finds it necessary to surrender up a part of his property to furnish means for the protection of the rest; and this he is induced to do by the same prudence which in every other case advises him, out of two evils to choose the least. Wherefore, security being the true design and end of government, it unanswerably follows that whatever form thereof appears most likely to ensure it to us, with the least expense and greatest benefit, is preferable to all others. T. Paine

Very good reading:

http://www.ushistory.org/paine/commonsense/sense2.htm

“How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!” – Samuel Adams

black n yellow, black n yellow, black n yellow!!!

The Attitude of an Anarchist
by Tom Finnigan

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2012/09/tom-finnigan/the-attitude...

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You should make this article its own thread

I'd do it but don't want to "step on your toes" so to speak

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

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Go For it!

I am flattered. ... and when you make it, please share with us your own thoughts on this article.

"We’ve moved beyond the Mises textbook. We’re running in the open market." - Erik Voorhees

Great

article!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Lets make a deal

I'll allow the Federal Reserve Corporation to print 10% raises for all government employees, give 8 weeks paid vacation, 2 weeks sick days paid, all federal holidays paid, full medical benefits, end of year bonuses of 10% of yearly salary, and anything else I can think of with a few conditions.

The printed Fed money is all off budget, federal employees need individual warrants for every NSA spying activity no exceptions or blanket warrants, no more SWAT home invasions, demilitarized police departments, return the 2 billion DHS hollow point bullets, no TSA deployment on the streets of America, for starters.

Government employees that put in four hours a day will be considered to have worked a full day and be paid. Government employees will be encouraged to do online shopping, surfing porn, surfing social network sites, or just playing Donkey Kong all day, unlimited coffee, bathroom, and smoke breaks that's OK too and you will still be paid from off budget money from the Fed printed out of thin air. The less interaction for law enforcement with the general public the better.

Quick Philosophical Rambling

It's important to note that as liberty is related minority/majority arguments mean nothing. Just because the majority supports something, does not mean it magically becomes moral or righteous.

You have a right to say you are an anarchist

You have a right to claim to be an anarchist. Just don't be surprised when I defend myself against your inevitable violence by creating an organization to protect my natural rights. Oh wait, that's how the world already works.

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I like the sounds of your organization....l

I might even ask your permission to contribute funds to it, so that I too am protected and have security. However, if you take my property by force to fund your organization, then it is you who have initiated violence against me.

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Ah, so you've admitted that

Ah, so you've admitted that government isn't the problem, forcible taxation is.

Freedom in our lifetime! - fiol.us