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I have become an Anarchist.

I now believe that all governments are evil, and their only purpose is to supress the majority. The Native Americans lived without government and did well, a lot better than before the rich white men came and killed them off and stole their land. They used sound money as well.

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Right there with ya!

Ex-neocon here.

Now I don't believe in government AT ALL. Quite the journey.

Have you ever checked out James Corbett? He is the one that finally opened my eyes to the state-sponsored mind conditioning that has been forced upon us by the state to justify its existence in the first place.

I prefer the term "voluntarist" as the term "anarchist" has been (purposely, by the state) been smeared.

But I am right there with you...and there are more of us every day.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

To govern is:

"late 13c., from Old French governer (11c., Modern French gouverner) "govern," from Latin gubernare "to direct, rule, guide, govern" (cf. Spanish gobernar, Italian governare), originally "to steer," a nautical borrowing from Greek kybernan "to steer or pilot a ship, direct" (the root of cybernetics). The -k- to -g- sound shift is perhaps via the medium of Etruscan. Related: Governed; governing."
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&searc...

Every entity that makes choices requires a governing ability. The faculty which governs the entity can be said to be the entitity's government. In the case of a rational human being alone on an island, his mind is his government. Without the ability to "direct, rule" and "guide" his body he will perish.

The smallest, most powerful and most important government in existence is your own mind.

Ⓐwesome

Ⓐwesome, I have been reading a lot of Laozi works lately. Its been very influential and hope it will allow you to support others and grow stronger. Peace

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

"The Native Americans lived

"The Native Americans lived without government and did well, a lot better than before the rich white men came and killed them off and stole their land. "

Do you see any contradictions here?

Ventura 2012

That is incorrect

The Native Americans had government, not bueacracy. The women picked the Cheif. The women ran the camps, and the men were the hunters and gatherers and the Chief determined where the next camp was going to be. Totems established the spiritual guids for their government. The Native Americans even had a Nation, and still do, though the overlayiung occupiers (US) don't recignise it.

It was under the influence of the Native American government that influenced the original suffergists. because Squaws had more power than the women who came to settle America's occupation.

http://www.doi.gov/whatwedo/firstamericans/index.cfm

http://www.nanations.com/

http://www.ratical.org/many_worlds/6Nations/EoL/chp2.html

I'm not as familiar with

I'm not as familiar with Native American government or organization as you, but I have one question. Were the natives required through coercion to partake in this system? Their culture obviously greatly influenced the system. Anywho, a system where you voluntarily take a part in is different then a required system like we have in the states. I could very well be wrong of course and just not know my history.

Yes and no

The Indian Nations were composed of many tribes, each had their own "laws of nature", or ways to exist. Some believed killing was moral, others did not.

When the Catholics came, Columbus 1492, the Catholics in their evangical agenda, met with tribes who were open to trade, Catholics had medicines and were into agriculture rather than hunting and gleaning.. also the Catholics were interested in the local Gods, you can see this with, Our Lady of Guadelupe (Lady of the Americas), so, there were tribes who appreciated the Catholics for the gifts they brought, and tribes who resented them for the "power" they had.

When the Protestant reform happend, and "Pilgrams" came, there was a struggle between Catholic and Protestant, and why the Indians were armed, to help fight the Catholics, as the Catholics had claimed many of these areas for the Church under national protection, namely France in the North, and Spain in the South and West.

The Indians helped both sides depending on the tribe. The rEVOLution IMO is more about the emancipation from the colonies from the Catholics, and why France went to Candada, where the tribes were more friendly to the Catholics, and the protestants took the East Coast.. so Indians were caught up in a white man's religious war.. this extended all the way through the Civil War, where the fight contiued in toppling the power of the Church (13 Mission/ 23 Missions) that controlled the area for Spain, in the name of setting the Indias free from the slavery of the Church. The same indians met their fate after the war in many areas that have trails of tears.

Then reservations were made, and, remade, and remade again, and again, as the states have relocated reservations when there was a resource they found, gold, silver, water, oil.... the Indians are our greatest reminder why it's important to not stop fighting for property rights.

Their culture did greatly inspire the federalists and framers of the Constitution. They had never known freedom, and then they saw it, and liked it, and stamped coins with Indians, and the corproations used to have Indians names.. Are the Braves still around or was that made illegal in the name of discrimination? TPTB work very hard to eliminate the Native American history least anyone get inspired again.. Home of the Brave, land of the free, used to mean something.

As a Native American and a

As a Native American and a past Ethnic Studies major (focused on Native American Studies) I find your post to be both inaccurate and offensive.
You sound like a white person telling other white people what white people wrote in history books. Stop.

Put up your links

My father grew up on a Clatsop reservation, my faily is associated with 5 tribes, one of my best friends is an Apache Cheif who was a code talker, and I find your anti-white racist statement to be shameful to the point I don't believe that you're a native American but a wannabe POS.

Are you sure your best friend wasn't an Apache Chef?

Apache were not used for code talkers Granger.

My parents grew up on a Sioux reservation but I don't go on blogs making things up to get upvotes

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Sigh

Apparently a white person who's dad that had a friend who claimed to be part Apache is all that's needed to be an expert in Native American history.
I take it back, I don't find Granger's post to be inaccurate and offensive, I find it downright hilarious. LOL!

Yep

My friend, adn he's a very good friend, took me to the restervation in Tulare County gave me a blesing and shared the petrogliphs with me, showed me how to read them.. told me where many were.. he works in many casinos.. travels a lot, have a home in New Mexico (his Dad was one of the guys who sold stuff to tourists at four corners).

I didn't know about his military intil he met my Dad, who was a lifer, and he told my Dad, so if he lied about it.. he really had my dad impressed, and he did speak Japanese. My dad's best friend was Japanese when he was groing up and my grandfather let my dad's friend listen to the ham radio.. and so the family escaped the round up of japanese, and my Dad's friend moved to Japan and joined the Japanese military. After the war, my Dad went to see his friend.. mater of fact.. my dad had a collection of "protection" tattoos.. he grew up hating his tattoos, ironically, becasue they were done by hand, his picture is in a museum here.

Growing up, my dad taught us how to fish, hunt, repel, climb trees, walk, communicate with animals.. how to track.. he hated religion, and he hated reservations and hated how so many Indians are full of apathy and self medication.. so maybe that's why he liked my friend? Some native Americans are very industrious and I seem to attract them (lucky me).

I'm NOT seeking upvotes Ira. I have never complained about the downvotes. I don't even bring it up. I did make a TOPIC post about a celestial event and thanked who upvoted it.. but no one cares about a once in a millieum celecestial event but me and them.. cool by me. That's what Ill be doing.. do what you want.

Downvote = power of the apathetic.

C'mon Granger

You're always talking about the downvotes!!! You closed by talking about the downvotes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You just invalidated everything you said

Come clean with us, you're really a side show midget human pin cushion circus freak, you only have to perform 1 to 2 hours a day on weekends, the rest of the time you spend here practicing your fiction writing. It's OK. The board voted to keep you here. We love you just the way you are, or are not! (depending on your day)

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

It is a response

I'm not ignoring. You want to talk about fine. You don't fine.

Your mental masterbation is not very becomming Ira.

You're great entertainment Granger

Thank You!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

you're welcome

have a nice posting day

It's also inaccurate

Even the 'natives' had power structures within their own groups and warred with others, just as these "rich white men" do. No group of people are immune to the lure of power.

I always get a kick out of the "rich white men" crap, because they're just about the only group left that's still socially acceptable to criticize...no matter how moronic the criticism leveled actually is.

I think Anarchism, while a noble goal, is as much of a pipe dream as the idea of an all-powerful, benevolent state run by the 'right' people. People will always seek power over others and we will always put each other into groups, and those who pretend otherwise are just as ignorant as those who believe that anarchy will automatically turn everyone into gangs of marauding bandits.

A signature used to be here!

I'm with you Ryno....

If you haven't already listened to what he has to say, may I suggest giving "Larken Rose" a minute or two of your time...?


http://youtu.be/2WirZPJtosc

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Hey Archons', we are taking our planet back and there's nothing you can do about it!

Indebted States with debts are treacherous.

Elected officials in Detroit made contracts that couldn't be kept. Everybody was smiling while the debt grew year after year after year.

If Detroit councilmen were selected by lot they would owe no political favors to financial supporters. If a majority adhered to rules based on legal precedence, that would be an improvement.

The lottery was good enough to select men to die in war that destroyed people and property.

Why not a lottery to select men and women to defend peace by promoting liberty.

Ah, but such a thing is a fantasy from Lake Woebegone, MN.

Free includes debt-free!

Your heading should be either.....

"I BECAME an anarchist"

or

"I have BECOME an anarchist"

I have become, AnarchistI

I have become, Anarchist

I know thats not the correct grammer, but as long as the meaning is clear.....

didn't the Indian tribes war

didn't the Indian tribes war against each other? There was still forms of government within the tribes. Maybe you should go back and look at how they treated women who had sex outside of wedlock etc.

At least it was more

At least it was more localized forms of government, unlike it is now.

Depends what tribe

if you look at the Iroquois League, you had 5 or 6 different tribes join up to go to war with the French and many Pennsylvania Tribes. The called themselves, "the League of Peace and Power", and then they started the beaver wars. I completely agree that the bigger the government, the worse off we are, you just happened to pick a less than perfect example.

I AM is all that is. Everything else is malleable.

"Anarchists are the Galileos of our time."

"Anarchists are the Galileos of our time."

Liberty Vigilante

welcome to the club. welcome

welcome to the club. welcome to rational thought.

pgrady
f___ all forms of govt.