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Is Ted Cruz Moving Up Too Fast?

He has been spectacular and he has quickly risen up the ranks, similar to Rand.

Cruz may run for President?
He, is not Rand, and he does not have the support that Rand has.
Should we put a cap on his presidential hopes to stay in the Senate?
Would he be a good VP pick?
I don't won't to hear about how he is a Neocon. I know he supports our Allies, he has to play politics, and someone has to back him.
What are your thoughts?

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Oh and as far as Natural Born Citizen not being defined

I don't think in the 1780's it needed to be defined. I believe there is a dictionary of that era that also had it clearly defined. I don't have a link to that but I do remember reading about it. I don't think the founders defined it much like they didn't define many words within the constitution. They did specifically write the constitution so that any common man could understand it. I don't think they anticipated that our vocabulary would falter and diminish 230 years later. If you read even civil war letters from the average soldiers of that time you see how much better their vocabulary was compared to an average person today. It's sad really...how far we've fallen.

Ted Cruz responded

He said his mother was an American citizen, so he is able to run for the office.


http://youtu.be/P_Bpu6DuEcQ

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

I don't care what Cruz said. Rubio acted as if he was eligible

and so did Bobby Jindal. None of them are eligible. Why don't you find actual law to support the claim rather than posting videos that are self serving for Cruz.

The naturalization act of

The naturalization act of 1790 states that children born across the sea or out of the limits of the usa, to american citizens are natural born citizens.

http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/nat...

Its not self serving

I just said it, then decided to find the video back my claim up.
Why haven't you cited the law that makes your accusations true?
You are the one going against the consensus.
I will keep an open mind.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

John McCain was born in

John McCain was born in Panama and there was no problem for him. Any baby born to an american mother is a citizen at birth. If you are a citizen at birth then you are a natural born citizen.

That is just not true

First I don't think McCain qualified either. However it was deemed that McCain was born on an army base which is technically "American soil".

Cruz was born to parents in the oil business in Canada.

If you are pregnant and are traveling abroad you are taking a risk. A child born in England to vacationing American parents is born a citizen of England. The child then has to be naturalized to be a citizen on the United States.

Mccain was actually born on a

Mccain was actually born on a naval base but I still do not see how that makes a part of panama "american soil".I do think Mccain's situation is a perfect example of why the Nat. act of 1790 states that children of americans born on foriegn soil should be considered americans. I think it also applies to cruz too.

Well... I think the truth is McCain was actually born OFF BASE

in a local hospital in Colon, Panama. Technically that makes him ineligible. They had a government hearing about McCain's citizenship status. During that hearing, McCain claimed that he was born on a naval base, but I believe much, much later it was unearthed that he was really born in a Panama hospital. Obama and Hillary both pushed for McCain to be declared a natural born citizen to allow him to run for president. US embassies and military bases are considered US soil no matter what country they are in. Ambassadors that have children overseas I believe are given special privilege that their children will be natural born regardless of the actual country they are residing in.

Ultimately, I don't think McCain qualified because he was born under the jurisdiction of Panama giving him automatic split loyalties. However they said he did qualify. They knew he wouldn't qualify without being born on a naval base. In 2008, Sen. Claire McCaskill (co-sponsored by Clinton and Obama)introduced a bill specifically trying to change the definition of Natural Born Citizen to include all children born of military parents. However this bill failed to pass. (Democrats helping a Repub run?...mmmm) And earlier in 2003 another Democrat introduced a bill to allow people who were not natural born but had lived here for 35 years to serve as president and or vice president. Why the need for that bill? It didnt' pass...but still.

Then explain how George

Then explain how George Romney was able to run for president in 1968. He was born in mexico.
http://www.indiana.edu/~kdhist/H105-documents-web/week08/nat...

Tell me you aren't trying to use George Romney as an example

"In George Romney's case, most of the questions were raised initially by Democrats who cited the Constitution's requirement that only a "natural born citizen" can be president.

As early as February 1967 - a year before the first 1968 presidential primary - some newspapers were raising questions as to whether George Romney's place of birth disqualified him from the presidency.

By May 1967, U.S. congressman Emmanuel Celler, a Democrat who chaired the House of Representatives Judiciary Committee, was expressing "serious doubts" about George Romney's eligibility.

The next month, another Democratic congressman inserted a lengthy treatise into the Congressional Record in which a government lawyer - writing in a "personal capacity" - argued that George Romney was ineligible for the White House because he was born outside U.S. territory."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/29/us-usa-campaign-ro...

and yet he was on the ballot

and yet he was on the ballot

George Romney withdrew in

George Romney withdrew in February 1968, before the issue of his eligibility (or lack thereof) was resolved. I'm old enough to remember.

I stand corrected. I did not

I stand corrected. I did not realize he dropped out that early.

Well criminal behavior does not make it justified.

The Constitution is being misinterpreted left and right. And they get away with it....because they can.

Pervert the meaning of the Constitution and it's articles and amendments and it becomes useless. It is why we are in so much trouble today. There is great wisdom in that document if only we would just adhere to it.

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Can't quite seem to trust Cruz

I liked that he supported Rand in the filibuster and that he has said he would like to "padlock and shutdown the IRS" but recently he just seems to concentrate on Obama-care and abortion (maybe to pander to mainstream GOP voters).

Also, still can't get over the ties to Goldman Sachs (see below). You can't be that connected and yet fight the establishment and promote non-intervention, free markets and small government.

http://www.dailypaul.com/231718/the-real-ted-cruz
http://www.dailypaul.com/235714/shockingly-deep-ties-to-gold...

"It’s not pessimistic, brother, because this is the blues. We are blues people. The blues aren’t pessimistic. We’re prisoners of hope but we tell the truth and the truth is dark. That’s different." ~CW

Cruz should run for president

I'm still going to vote for Rand.

When one compromises

When one compromises just to get ahead, one deserves exactly what they get.

romney was the flavor after mccain, after bush, etc.

Cruz is good, but I will stand on principle come 2016.

Corrupted neocon establishment can either win with my vote, or lose with my vote. They get the choice.

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

No to Cruz

I became a non-Cruz supporter after I heard him begging, in almost pious tones, for an attack on Iran. Let's don't get fooled again.

Edgar Morgan