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Are Jews The Chosen People?

Title: 937 - Heritage Of Israel

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Tradition holds that those who are born of the sons of Abraham can receive salvation by this merit alone. There are many people who claim to be from the tribes of Israel. This DVD examines this belief in light of Scripture. What was the purpose of Israel? Does salvation come through the Jewish nation? Is salvation even possible through birthright? The meaning of the Jewish feasts is also examined, along with the question of the name of Jesus.

Category: Rekindling the Reformation - English


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Of course they are.

Every fox chooses himself to guard the henhouse!

power corrupts! should have

power corrupts! should have asked are Jewish people more corruptable? me think not :)

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Really?

When is this racist shit going to die?

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Wolfe..I don't believe Bible truths are racist.

I didn't mean for my post to be racist, I just have a lot of questions and am seeking answers. Because you believe it's racist, and I haven't read all of the comments yet...could or would you be willing to answer a question?

1. Why did the Leaders of Judea at the time, reject Jesus? (Not all Judeans of course!)

2. Do you believe the existence of the literal state of Israel is biblical?

Thanks man.

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Christ was rejected because he failed to fulfill any of the requirements of the Messiah. That's why he needs a "do over" to get it right. The Messiah is a man, like you and me -- he is not a god. You never pray to the Messiah, for example. To the Christians, Christ is a god, and you pray to him. To the Muslims, Christ is a great prophet, born of the Virgin Mary, who will return to reign on Earth for a thousand years of peace. To the Jews, Christ was a wicked, violent zealot who wanted to wage war against the Romans and risk the deaths of millions of Jews. He surrounded himself with zealots and assassins. Iscariot, for example, means "assassin" in Syrian and Latin. Simon the Zealot was a Disciple. Peter the Rock drew his sword and cut off a a man's ear when Christ was arrested. This was the reaction of the primary disciple of the Prince of Peace after 3 years of tutelage? The juxtaposition of the Christ figure with the historical destruction of the Second Temple in 70 A.D. is not mere coincidence. Interestingly, Judaism believes in reincarnation, while Christianity and Islam reject it. I don't know what so-called Judeo-Christian values are, but Christians and Muslims share more in common than the elite lead us to believe.

To your second question, the Messiah, when he actually does come, will gather the Jewish exiles to Israel, which is the rightful homeland of the Jewish people. The entire book of Genesis is devoted to explain why the land rightfully belongs to the Jews. The modern state of Israel was created by the enemies of the Jews as a concentration camp, a final solution to collect the Jews into one place for their extermination.

Klaus...

Wow that statement blew me away!! I get so excited when I see posts like this...so let's go:

"Christ was rejected because he failed to fulfill any of the requirements of the Messiah."

The 61 Prophecies of Jesus -

Some skeptics have suggested that these prophecies were accidentally or coincidentally fulfilled by Jesus. According to the Science of Probability, the chance of any one human being – up until the present - fulfilling a selection of just eight of these prophecies (including the one on the crucifixion) is 1 in 10x17. What if we were to consider 48 prophecies? The chance then becomes virtually zero (1 X 10x157). What about all 61 prophecies? - Evidence That Demands a Verdict – Josh McDowell http://www.angelfire.com/sc3/myredeemer/Evidence.html)

Wow awesome! To put those numbers in perspective the number of particles in the entire universe is only 1 x 1x80 !!!!

“That's why he needs a "do over" to get it right. To the Jews, Christ was a wicked, violent zealot who wanted to wage war against the Romans and risk the deaths of millions of Jews.” ( By Jews I’m sure you meant Pharisees.)

The Jews of the time wanted Jesus to fulfill their “nationalistic expectations “ by smiting their enemies, but to their chagrin Jesus said: “Love thy neighbor”. They said rid the land make us the rulers of all the Peoples, and Jesus said “The meek shall inherit the earth and Do onto others….”

“The Messiah is a man, like you and me -- he is not a god. You never pray to the Messiah”

“Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call his name Immanuel, which is translated God With Us.” – Isaiah 7:14

“He surrounded himself with zealots and assassins. Iscariot, for example, means "assassin" in Syrian and Latin. This was the reaction of the primary disciple of the Prince of Peace after 3 years of tutelage?”

That was some statement but even Judas Iscariot felt remorse for when he went to the synagogue to get paid his 30 pieces of silver from the Jewish Pharasaic leaders that paid him what did he do?

“And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed….And they took counsel, and bought with them the Potter’s field, to bury strangers in. – Matthew 27:57

“To the Jews, Christ was a wicked, violent zealot who wanted to wage war against the Romans and risk the deaths of millions of Jews”.

"Christ was rejected because he failed to fulfill any of the requirements of the Messiah."

Then did hey spit in his face, and buffeted him; and others smote him with the palms of their hands. – Matthew 26:67
… hate me without cause. – Psalms 69:4
They hated me without a cause. – John 15:25

He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, - Isaiah 53:7

And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing. – Matthew 27:12

“To your second question, the Messiah, when he actually does come, will gather the Jewish exiles to Israel, which is the rightful homeland of the Jewish people.”

The Jewish Messiah – Yeshua

Yeshua is seen as a Pharisee of the school of Hillel who will fulfill Jewish nationalistic ideals. The Messianic Messiah is concerned with Judaism and national deliverance, whereas the Christian Messiah is concerned with individual salvation.

Jewish messianic expectations cannot be divorced from ritual Judaism and blends with Christian dispensationalism which lends itself to and exclusivity Gospel. This Yeshua whom they are waiting for will fulfill the very same promises that they were hoping would be fulfilled [but weren’t) in the 1st coming. So the Christian expectation differs somewhat from the Jewish one.
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He [Jesus] answered them and said The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! Or Lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [Luke 17:20-21]
So this Messianic kingdom of Israel, (Literal Israel) the Bible says and Jesus said will not come by observation. Meaning: - The formation of a physical literal state of Israel plays no role in the 2nd coming of Jesus! Because the “Israel” that is being referred to are the believers of Jesus Christ, not a piece of land. The Hebrew Bible was not about Israel and its National Heritage but about the Messiah.

2 Corinthians 3:14 - But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Paul says that if you have these [Nationalistic] expectations and you miss the culmination which is Messianic in Christ, then you have missed something. NINETY SIX PERCENT OF PEOPLE THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THIS NATIONALISTIC EXPECTATION!

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My description was about how Jews, Christians, and Muslims view Christ today. It was not about how the Jews viewed Christ at the time. Whether Christ was a single person, a composite of several different people, or a fictional character is a topic for another time.

The nationalistic aspect of Christ is shared by Islam. Muslims believe that Christ was sent to save the Jews, and Mohamed was sent to save the Gentiles.

The word "virgin" does not appear in Isaiah 7:14. The Hebrew word for "young woman" does. The young woman referred to is either Isaiah's wife or Ahaz's wife.

There is no concept in Judaism that the Messiah is divine or that he is born of a virgin. These are foreign concepts from the pagan cult of Mithras which was popular in Rome at the time.

There is the requirement that the Messiah is a descendant of David, and Christ had no human father, so he cannot be a descendant of David, as the tribe is passed down on the paternal side.

Nothing that Christ did was new. His bodily ascension to heaven had already been done before, by Enoch in the 7th generation after Adam and by the prophet Elijah. His resurrection of the dead had already been done before, by the prophet Elijah, who resurrected a boy some say was the prophet Jonah, and by the prophet Elisha, who was a disciple of the prophet Elijah. His walking on water was a mockery of the splitting of the Red Sea. His feeding the multitude with loaves and fishes was a mockery of the manna which fed the Jews for 40 years in the desert.

The "son of Man" does not refer to the Messiah but rather to the soul of the Messiah. Again, Judiasm believes in reincarnation. Christianity and Islam reject reincarnation. The soul of the Messiah has been reincarnated many times. There have been many men who have had the potential to be the Messiah, but they failed to fulfill that potential.

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Irrelevant.

1. Who cares? That is the point. Basing your opinion on a group based on their ancestors behavior, whether positive or negative is racist.

(Deuteronomy 24:16) - "Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin."

(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

2. Once again, who cares? What governments do, is what governments do. And it is not justifiable through any religious text.

Then again, your bible also states this:

(Exodus 20:5) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"

(Deuteronomy 5:9) - "You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, and on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"

(Exodus 34:6-7) - "Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."

For every passage in your "holy word", I can find the contradiction within it's own text. It's nonsense. For the record, I was christian, until I truly read and understood the bible, and so walked away.

If you want to justify your race hate with your religion, more power to you... But it makes you the definition of a zealot and a racist. I let this go at first because it was in the "Religion' category. But you cannot justify your race hate based on religion on not have someone like me eventually call you out on it.

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No contradiction

To reconcile your dilemma, the first set of passages you quote refer to how the courts of man shall render verdicts. The second set of passages refer to how the Almighty renders verdicts. Vengeance is His, not ours. We have our role to play by establishing courts of justice. What we are prohibited from ruling in court is left to the Almighty to rule for Himself.

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What's funny is...

that you have deluded yourself into believing that it is an important distinction that somehow reconciles the contradiction. It doesn't.

Further, that Ezekiel passage is NOT talking about the courts of man. You stole a crap interpretation to justify that. Go read the whole Chapter.

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I stand corrected

You are correct. My explanation was irrelevant to your question. Chapter 18 of Ezekiel states that each person is judged according to his deeds. It brings up the question how a sin of the father can be transmitted to his son. The answer is because the father can teach his son to sin. For example, if a son sees his father steal, then he will be more inclined to steal, especially if he sees his father get away with it. Let's look at some real world examples.

If Ron Paul is a 33rd degree Mason, and his son Rand is a member of the NoZe Brotherhood, and his grandson Jesse Benton goes to the same Lodge Mitch McConnell does, then the sin of belonging to a secret society (which JFK warned against) passes from the father all the way down to the 2nd generation.

Here's another example. Ron Paul's biggest financial contributor was Bilderberg steering committee member Peter Thiel, who believes that libertarians should be exiled to floating manmade islands. Rand Paul blew off Luke Rudkowski when he asked him about Bilderberg. In this example, the sin of the father passed to his son, because he taught his son that it is good to defend the Bilderbergers.

I finally...

...had a chance to watch the rest of the video yesterday, and while I do agree with the speaker's emphasis on spiritual salvation being available to all on an equal basis through Christ under the New Covenant (and I probably go further than him in my agreement with Christian Universalism, that this Gospel will be eventually completely victorious over all Creation), I think he goes a bit too far in lumping in the area of prophetic national blessings and fulfillment of various national promises with 'salvation'. I don't believe in salvation by genetics or cultural group, but nonetheless there was indeed a Northern Kingdom of Israel separate from Judah which went into captivity first; and these ten tribes did go somewhere. There is nothing wrong with attempting to trace where they spread to in Ancient Europe, etc. and exploring the cultural evolution that resulted. And if there are indeed historical prophecies related to these descendants, in connection with or apart from the rest of humanity, that doesn't mean these things are the equivalent of spiritual salvation.

I find it fascinating to consider connections between the ancient Hebrews with other nations. Isn't it interesting that the Iberian peninsula has a name which seems to be connected to the Spanish for 'Hebrew', for example? I'm afraid the speaker sounded like he was mocking or dismissing such studies, in his zeal to strip them of any group-salvation implications.

No

Read the book of Romans in the New Testament.

Paul explains pretty well there.

"Once you become knowledgeable, you have an obligation to do something about it."- Ron Paul

Obviously most of you didn't watch the video....

Transcribed from the video -

I see comments, such as the last one about Romans 11:26 -"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: It's verses like these that make people believe that Israel is a particular group of promise and that this group of promise has never really changed...and if you are part if this group, Jews, and you are part of that "Group of Promise", by birth only....

Now let's look at Romans 10:1 Brethren, "My heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they MIGHT BE SAVED." Operative word is "Might be"....in other words you can't get to heaven by birthright!

After Vatican II – (Catholic statement) Jewish messianic expectation is not in vain. It can become for us Christians [Catholic] a powerful stimulant to keep alive the eschatological dimension of our faith. Like them, we too live in expectation. The difference is that for us the One who is to come will have the TRAITS of the Jesus who has already come and is already present and active among us.” (“The Jewish People And Their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible,” Pontifical Biblical Commission, 2001, Vatican Translation.) – Ratzinger wrote the preface to this document.)

Why did the Jew’s of Jesus’s era reject him as the Messiah?

THE TALMUD AND JESUS
On the eve of the Passover Jesus was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Anyone who can say anything in his favor let him come forward and plead on his behalf.” But since nothing was brought forward in his favor, he was hanged on the eve of the Passover. Ulla retorted: Do you suppose that he was one for whom a defense could be made? Was he not a Mesith (enticer), concerning whom Scripture says, “Neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him” (Deut. 13:9)? With Jesus, however, it was different, for he was connected with the government. [Sanhedrin 43a]
The Bible does not state that a herald preceded the death of Jesus! In fact the Bible says that there was a hasty, secret trial the night before his execution which was performed the next day. But Jewish law required a Herald! So the Talmud is inaccurate on this point.

Samuel B. Nahmani (4th century CE.) declares a curse on “Those who calculate the end” from the Book of Daniel” [f]or they would say since the predetermined time has arrived, and yet he [The Messiah] has not come, he will never come.” [Sanhedrin 97b]

What is meant by ‘but at the end it shall speak [yafeah] and not lie?’ – R. Samuel B. Nahmani said in the name of R. Jonathan: Blasted be the bones of those who calculate the end. For they would say, since the predetermined time has arrived, and yet he [Jesus] has not come, he will never come. But [even so], wait for him, as it is written, though he tarry, wait for him. Should you say we look forward [to his coming] but He does not: therefore Scripture saith, And therefore will the Lord wait, that he may be gracious unto you, and therefore will he be exalted, that he may have mercy upon you. But since we look forward to it, and He does likewise, what delays His coming? – The Attribute of Justice delays it, why do we await it? – To be rewarded [for hoping], as it is written, blessed are all they that wait for him.

Rab said: All the predestined dates [for redemption] have passed, and the matter [now] depends only on repentance and good deeds. .” [Sanhedrin 97b]

So in other words as scholars know when you calculate the time of the Messiah using Dan 9 as the prophetic template, you come to one and only one Messiah only and that is JESUS CHRIST. But they [Jews] rejected him. And the Stone that was rejected turned out to be the CAPSTONE [JC], the Foundation. So they reject Jesus as the Messiah that their own scriptures point to and say Blasted be the bones if you try to calculate why he didn’t come!

So what are the Jews of today expecting with the 2nd coming of Jesus?
The Jewish Messiah – Yeshua

Yeshua is seen as a Pharisee of the school of Hillel who will fulfill Jewish nationalistic ideals. The Messianic Messiah is concerned with Judaism and national deliverance, whereas the Christian Messiah is concerned with individual salvation.
Jewish messianic expectations cannot be divorced from ritual Judaism and blends with Christian dispensationalism which lends itself to and exclusivity Gospel. This Yeshua whom they are waiting for will fulfill the very same promises that they were hoping would be fulfilled [but weren’t) in the 1st coming. So the Christian expectation differs somewhat from the Jewish one.

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He [Jesus] answered them and said The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! Or Lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you. [Luke 17:20-21]
So this Messianic kingdom of Israel, (Literal Israel) the Bible says and Jesus said will not come by observation. Meaning: - The formation of a physical literal state of Israel plays no role in the 2nd coming of Jesus! Because the “Israel” that is being referred to are the believers of Jesus Christ, not a piece of land. The Hebrew Bible was not about Israel and its National Heritage but about the Messiah.

2 Corinthians 3:14 - But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

Paul says that if you have these [Nationalistic] expectations and you miss the culmination which is Messianic in Christ, then you have missed something. NINETY SIX PERCENT OF PEOPLE THAT CALL THEMSELVES CHRISTIANS BELIEVE THIS NATIONALISTIC EXPECTATION!

The Jews Chose Israel over the Messiah

The He was the Prince of Peace; His coming must be as the unsheathing of a sword. The kingdom He had come to establish was the opposite of that which the Jews desired. He who was the Foundation of the ritual and economy of Israel would be looked upon as its enemy and destroyer. He who had proclaimed the law up Sinai would be condemned as a transgressor. He who had come to break the power of Satan would be denounced as Beelzebub. No one upon the earth had understood him, and during His ministry He must still walk alone. Throughout His life His mother and His brothers did not comprehend His mission. Even His disciples did not understand Him. He had dwelt in eternal light, as one with God, but his life on earth must be spent in solitude. [Desire of Ages 111.3]

The Jews of the time wanted Jesus to fulfill their nationalistic expectations by smiting their enemies, but Jesus said: “Love thy neighbor”. - And they asked I thought you were supposed make us the richest people of all. Jesus said - The meek shall inherit the Earth. He wanted them to make Israel the most powerful country in the world and Jesus said – Do onto others….
The Christians and Jews that believe a physical state of Israel must exist before the second coming of Jesus have the same nationalistic expectation that the Jews of Jesus’s time did. They missed it the 1st time, will they/you miss it a second time?

“Consistent literalism is the heart of dispensational eschatology.” (Charles C. Ryrie, Dispensationalism Today, Chicago, Moody Press 1967, p 158)
This would mean that if we read the Old Testament literally by itself without the New Testament as its expositor. Christ will have to reign on a literal throne of David and the ancient Nations such as Edom, Moab, and Ammon will have to be resurrected to serve a literal Israel.

Hebrews 8:1 – Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest [Jesus], who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

But according the Jews and Dispensationalists, Jesus will have to descend from heaven in order to sit on an earthly throne of David. As I mentioned earlier, at Vatican II, (Of which Pope Ratzinger wrote the forward) it was said that the Christ that is to come will “HAVE THE TRAITS OF JESUS”, but it won’t be him!

Isaiah 11:14 – But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand up Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon will obey them. [Israel]

These nations don’t exist! Are they going to be resurrected to they can fulfill the prophecy of literalism?

True Christianity says here on planet earth we have no continuing city…In other words a physical land called Israel didn’t appear again until 1948. We are waiting a heavenly city whose builder and maker is God.

Dispensationalists/Jews - Believe there was /is a continuing city [The state of Israel] They are watching and earthly continuation of a city that will culminate in the kingdom.

Hebrews 13:14 – For here have we not continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Hebrews 11:10 – For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

That is another city….Not physical Jerusalem. This city comes down as a bride from Heaven.

The 2000 year old spy

According to the Talmud, Paul was a disinformation agent sent by the Sanhedrin to steer Christianity away from the Jews and divert it to the Gentiles. Paul never met Christ, yet he managed to hijack Christian theology away from Peter and Christ's brother James. Just like when the FBI sends a new guy to join your patriot group and steer it toward a terrorism arrest. Or when the Rothschilds send a political candidate to convince you to give up your Social Security and Medicare so you can pay off your debt to his bank.

If you want to distrust Paul, that is your . . .

right as a Christian; I know many Christians who do distrust him; I think he says some very powerful and true things--

BUT . . .

I wouldn't quote the Talmud here--

Torah, maybe, but not the Talmud--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Exactly!!!!!!!!!

The funny thing is, the first time I was ever able to understand the story of Saul/paul on the road to Damascus at around the age of 13, the first thing that crossed my mind was that this man cannot be trusted..wasn't he just killing off the early Jewish Christians.

It seems I was right, he took Jesus message and distorted it to a pagan flavor thus killing the message within the Jewish community via gulit by pagan association.

From Killing Early Jewish Christians and destroying their message.

For Saul, it was Mission Complete.

Yes

Satan's Chosen.

The meaning of the "chosen people", Charlie Brown

People don't understand what the term "chosen people" means. At the Tower of Babel, all mankind was one race, one language, one people, but we united to defy our Creator. As our punishment, mankind was divided into 70 nations with different languages and races, so that we could no longer unite. When the Creator again wished to give his laws to man, he offered them to each of the 70 nations, in turn. Each nation rejected those laws for one reason or another, until finally, there was one nation left, a nation chosen to be the last nation those laws would be offered to. Had that nation rejected those laws, all of mankind would have been destroyed. That nation, that last nation, accepted those laws. Like a yoke, they accepted the burdens of those laws upon themselves. For that reason, the Creator called them his beloved. Those who hate that nation still reject those laws today. They say those laws are antiquated, that they are invalid and unimportant. But that is the story. The funny thing about Judaism is it believes in reincarnation. There were those among the 70 nations who argued to their fellows they should accept the Creator's laws, but they were rejected by their kinsmen. Those souls are reincarnated and become converts in future lives. That is the meaning of the "chosen people", Charlie Brown.

Israel is now New Khazaria

We should change the name of Israel to New Khazaria, since virtually all people living in that territory are descendants from the former 7th century European Khazarian empire. It would clear up a lot of confusion. It's easy to change names of countries and cities. The country Burma had its name changed to Myanmar. The city names Constantinople and Bombay were changed to Istanbul and Mumbai respectively. So you see, it can easily be done.

According to some book

written by the Jews? Yes, they are. According to reality? NO.

I am not against the Jewish people. I would be pissed if any group thought that they were the chosen ones and forced the country into conflicts for their interests. A few powerful people shouldn't have the right to take from everyone and give it to their personal interests.

If they are

they're chosen by themselves, because they made up their religion and afaik that's the only thing saying they're chosen

How can anyone claim to be

How can anyone claim to be chosen in this matter? No one is born religious. You're not even born "jewish". It's a label that grown ups put on you based on cultural heritage.

Imo, it's a pretty interesting discussion. But it doesn't change the biological fact that all nationalities and "titles" we put on ourselves are man made.

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Nope.

I'm chosen, so I should know! My Holy Scriptures told me, and there can be no doubt about the truth of the word of Bob.

Praise Bob! Let the Norms/Pinks burn!

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Yaaay, another "my religion is better than yours" thread

Is there anything more pointless?

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Low-fat Ice Cream.

I mean, c'mon!

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Being Chosen is a way of Being, not tied to any one faith

All faiths seem to teach the same principles generally centred around Love for God and for your fellow man. And if one actually lives by these principles honestly and fully, they too become "chosen" to then spread the message however they see fit to others seeking truth.

Many teachers have come and gone that taught others how to BE in/with God—in Love. But to fully understand that you MUST live it. Words don't teach, only experience teaches. You cannot learn to ride a bicycle simply by reading how to do it. You must get on the bike and practice.

Any person that claims their faith is more superior or THE chosen faith, is losing the meaning and truth behind their faith. Religions are metaphors for ONE God—ONE Source of Creation—ONE Energy at the core of all particles that make up the "physical" Universe.

Quantum Science is finally reaching these same conclusions. I see many sermons on Sunday TV that have shifted the way people talk about God and their experiential relationship to God. There is more practical application being taught now. Even the Jewish and Sunni programs I often see talk about how Faith is Universal and Religions are its cultural representations. Some say Pray, others say Meditate and science tells you to quiet your mind. Different words for the same practice.

And if you can come to that understanding, that ALL is ONE no matter the metaphor through which it is expressed—then you are truly one of the Chosen.

All this, of course, is my opinion based on my own experience.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

No way around it --

If you don't believe in Christ, you aren't chosen.

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." ~ Gal. 3:29

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Meh. I'm chosen people, too.

Meh.

I'm chosen people, too. Dear wife chose me.

So, what?

;-P

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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There are virtually no

There are virtually no Semites living in Israel.