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Are Jews The Chosen People?

Title: 937 - Heritage Of Israel

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Tradition holds that those who are born of the sons of Abraham can receive salvation by this merit alone. There are many people who claim to be from the tribes of Israel. This DVD examines this belief in light of Scripture. What was the purpose of Israel? Does salvation come through the Jewish nation? Is salvation even possible through birthright? The meaning of the Jewish feasts is also examined, along with the question of the name of Jesus.

Category: Rekindling the Reformation - English


http://youtu.be/E-WMjEl9fQg




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can this be compared to the argument between the Sunnis

and the Shiites?

sounds pretty close to me....

No

Islam is a man made religion, there is no covenant with God. Jews have one and Christians have two covenants, thanks to Jesus, who is God.

are you aware of what they are fighting about?

the Shiites and the Sunnis.... that is.

not me and you....;)

Well

I believe the conflict between the Shia and Sunni, while I don't know the regional and personal differences, the Sunni align with Al-Qauda and Hammas (which also attracts Shia), and the Shia align with Hammas, yet both align against Israel.

I'm open to be educated further.

it has to do with the descendants of the prophet.

should they have special status.
is my confirmed understanding. beyond that I did not look any further. (you have to be careful with rabbitholes dear.)

I think a fair argument can be made that we have chosen a side in this battle.
Saudi Arabia is Sunni. all of the fighting is in the Shiite areas.

Please

Islam(the system of peace) is the only system instituted by the god. This system, has been preached by all prophets and messengers of the god, including Jesus. Any deviations from the system of peace are systems and religions that are created by Man for their own selfish desires to control the masses, this includes Juadism (chosen people mythology), Christianity and even the so called religion of "islam" as followed by the majority today, seeing that their religion is based on books and traditions (hadiths) that have nothing to do with the message of peace as described in the quran.

Ye must

There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:

2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee,EXCEPT A MAN BE BORN AGAIN, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

There is no religion on the face of this planet that regenerates a man. Only Jesus Christ does that.

Again: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Rabbi?

Jesus was not a rabbi.

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roflmao...

Go read John. Hell, it wasn't even an obscure book, it is fricking John!

And one of the most well known stories.

Not sure why you re-bumped this racist crap.

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Of course Jews aren't the

Of course Jews aren't the chosen people since there's no such thing. They are just a minority culture that sought to protect themselves. There's a lot of stupid things in Judaism like every religion.

The idea that where you are born designates if you worship the right "god" is obviously ridiculous. There is no right god as there is no god looking out for you.

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The question

"Are Jews the Chosen People" is an absurdity in and of itself. Let us remember that Jew's have repeatedly denied Jew is a race, such as Hewbrew, and have repeatedly asserted Judaism is a religion.

Are people who choose to worship God (Jews) the chosen people?

Or ...

Are people who choose to worship God in a manner or by a means only prescribed by Judaism the chosen people?

I am going to go with my gut feeling which is, I don't think God gives a damn the manner or means by which he is loved. Things like manner or means only evidence one's own intent for their actions to discern whether any given act derives from love. Action is not a concept of equality with regards to intent. The same action can be performed by two different people for different reasons. Take an adult and child, it may be said one acted wrongly intentionally whereas the other acted wrongly unintentionally because of ignorance.

Furthermore, if it was admitted Jew is a race the question translates to:

Are people only born in a certain lineage the chosen people?

P.S. Initially I was just going to submit comment without watching the video because I did not feel like spending almost two hours to watch it. I thought it would be arrogant to comment without watching the video. After watching the entire video my comment stands as originally made and ironically my comment is a recurring theme in the video.

God does give a damn HOW he is loved

Jesus said so.

Salvation

Is of the Jews yes. Jesus Christ was born a Jew. Of tribe of Judah.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.  For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

John Adams

Not sure...

...if this was addressed in the video, since I haven't had time to watch much; but if genetic lineage from Abraham is key to being a 'chosen person', what about all the non-Jewish descendants of Abraham, through Ishmael, through Esau (Edomites), through the ten tribes of the northern Kingdom of Israel who many say were dispersed into ancient European regions and peoples. The descendants of the southern Kingdom of Judah (Judeans, Jews) are only a small percentage of Abraham's bloodline. People who don't even think they are a descendant of Abraham, from various African, Eurasian, American regions may be quite mistaken.

But spiritually, I don't think this matters: under the New Covenant, there is neither Jew nor Gentile. Of course, those who don't believe in the New or Old Covenants will not care.

Lineage doesn't matter...

...Faith matters

Jacob stole his brother's birthright. G-d blessed him because He saw that Jacob cared for G-d, and loved G-d, and wanted to serve Him.

By birth it was not his right but Esau sold his birthright for bowl of soup, and G-d saw that though Jacob connived and stole to get his birthright, that he wanted G-d's blessing and actually cared.

Esau was not a bad person but he just did not care for the Lord.
He was not blessed but Jacob was. Because of Faith, not birthright.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Agreed...

And yet there are mentions in Scripture of future blessings and restorations of peoples such as the Edomites (from Esau), Egypt, etc. Even Sodom will find restoration (Ezekiel 16). The pattern always seems to be eventual reconciliation after what seems to be final judgment or setting aside. Same is true of Israel and Judah themselves, which God says were even worse than Sodom (Ezekiel) -- reconciliation and restoration from exile. All of these people are on equal footing in terms of the New Covenant, if and when they receive it. And that is where the Abrahamic covenant's component of all the nations being blessed finds its fulfillment.

"Chosen" for what I wonder.

"Chosen" for what I wonder. Does anyone know?

To spread G-d's Word

and be a Light to the World. Just compare those 3rd world Radical Muslim dirt hole dictatorships to Israel. You have democracy and individual freedom in Israel, tyranny and theocracy in Arab Kingdoms and Muslim theocracies.

This choice should be a no brainer for the Liberty movement. Cut foreign aid to all of them, watch the wars dry up, and you'll see the difference clearly, when Israel is prospering and the Muslims are still slaughtering their people.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

If that's the case then every

If that's the case then every major religion is guilty of that from the Holy wars to plight of Palestinians. They all profess to be in a covenant with a monotheistic "God" and promise to "spread the word". Interpretation of "chosen" is wide open from a Jew's point of birthright to act as a servant of God and do all things according to your beliefs...well good luck. War is here to stay in the name of God, Yaweh, Allah, Buddha? Confucious? et al etc. on & on. We're all forgetting the message fighting over the messenger.

Chosen

Chosen to be in a convenant (promise) WITH God.

How I understand this of Jews

How I understand this of Jews being Gods chosen comes from God choosing the pure blooded Hebrews to in traduce the gospel to the world. The Jews of course failed and the Gentiles were given the opportunity.

To others, NO MAN by his birthright is accepted unconditionally by God. All men must accept Christ as Lord and Savior. Makes no difference if you are a Jew or any other ethnicity or religion.

I agree

And it appears that Messianic Judeaism is growing in America because many Americans agree.. the stats are facinating..

It started in the 60's and now there are 250K in the USA alone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messianic_Judaism

woohoo

250,000!!! in 50+ years, gottaloveit

In 1 year, check in to see what the danger granger falls in love with next!

Stay tuned!!!

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere".
--Voltaire

It's hard not to be a menace to society when half the population is happy on their knees. - unknown

Wow

Again with the Nazi card?

Look at the vid

You folks need to wake up because history repeats itself, and I'm giving you evidense.. look, see for yourself.

youre saying the same things.

YOU ARE SAYING THE SAME THINGS

You think you're awake?

The vid, and there's more, should wake you up.

You think Hitler LOVED Israel? You think Hitler and the Grand Mufti from Palestine worked together to build Israel?

Maybe you don't think.. maybe you need some collective to think for you and then act all shocked.

What's shocking is the IGNORANCE (root IGNOR) and that is why and how you are making the same moves ... Hitler and the Grand Mufti were open.. so are you, and you deny you have the same agenda?

Your videos are giving opposite messages

Which one do you believe?

I assume by your subject title, you believe the first, that Hitler did not want to eliminate the Rothchildes (first vid).

Your second video, Yoel Weisshous, says the Rothchilds created Isreal to protect their money FROM Germany.. and yet, what's facinating is that the second vid, says the Rothchilds SPENT their money (private bank) establishing Israel, for, the one word most used, SOVREIGNTY (freedom).

I the 2nd vid, antioliarch, (AO) is saying "International/ Catholic/ Swiss bank system backed the Rothechild Israel campagn, and the socialists TOOK the money to create a central bank, and why Rothchild would rather build a state, Israel, FOR SOVREIGNITY and the right for people to build from a private bank, rather than a central bank.

In the YOUNG PLAN, what AO calls an international banking system, was private banks, and these were under attack to establish CENTRAL BANKS, which is what we are dealing with now.

The Bank for international settlements in Swizerland was, in large part, part of the Catholic banking system, as they had hundreds of years of establishing international communities, now called settlements (because settlements are not established to last long, but serve a purpose for taking the natural resources, including labor).

AO says the Neo-nazis are saying what I am saying, and he says, "this is total bunk". I am a zionist, I am not a neo-nazi, and it's interesting how I would agree with the Neo-nazis according to him, eh?

AO then makes a switch (goes off topic) to tell us about the American business interests in Germany, which to me was a central banking corporate move to HELP Germany go Central banking, and why the corporations were not damaged with direct bombing in Germany.

The Rockefellers were behind the Central banking and not who established Israel, but funded the UN and a global central banking system.

And I don't agree with hAO's assessment on Britian and Germany.. because the Kingdom was not so eager to go to Central banking, having ties in the private banking system (Catholic, International settlements/ Swiss bank).

Private banking established Israel through Rothchildes
Central banking established by Rockefellers (who backed Hitler, who resented being born a bastard to Rothchild).

Watched the video

It doesn't come close to supporting your bridge of straw.

I don't believe you

Your insults do not indicate that you watched the vid.

Are you saying that Hitler and the Grand Mufti (related to Anwar Sadat) did not work together to anhialate the Jews?

Are you saying that Hitler and The Grand Mufti did not BLAME the Jews for banking, media, government problems?

You are saying you watched the vid, but did not give one example of what you disagree with.

EDUCATE ME, if I am wrong, telling me YOU ARE FOS, does not educate me so that I may correct myself and get with the program.

I am willing to change, but you have to give me something other than, YOU ARE WRONG.. OK I'm wrong. HOW? What in the vid do you NOT agree with and WHY?

Make your case or be a liar.