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Are Jews The Chosen People?

Title: 937 - Heritage Of Israel

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Tradition holds that those who are born of the sons of Abraham can receive salvation by this merit alone. There are many people who claim to be from the tribes of Israel. This DVD examines this belief in light of Scripture. What was the purpose of Israel? Does salvation come through the Jewish nation? Is salvation even possible through birthright? The meaning of the Jewish feasts is also examined, along with the question of the name of Jesus.

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When G-d CHOSE the Jewish people

He didn't necessarily mean they were better than anyone else.

They were simply chosen for a task. Chosen to bear a burden. You probably wouldn't want to be chosen for this task. Yeshua was chosen to die on he cross for all of humanity. The Jewish people play a similar role, over the course of history.

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Reminds me of Tevyeh... 'Fiddler on the Roof', speaking to God:

"I know, I know. We are Your chosen people. But, once in a while, can't You choose someone else?" :)

LoL, Jewish humor

It's kind of like the Ring in Lord of the Rings. It's a burden. Knowledge is power, and with power comes responsibility. This power is not earthly power, it's spiritual power. Christ caught a lot of flack (understatement of history) for spreading his knowledge of the Lord. He is like a microcosm of the Jewish people's struggle throughout history from the bible through to today.

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:) Tolkien fan here, by the way.

The NT... pretty clear on predestination, but I think where people get off track is when they lose sight of God's Love being greatest, and confusing short-term life on earth with the long-term journey of every person through eternity. I believe everyone is predestined for partaking in His Love and Creation, but that everyone has to take their own meandering journey of faith to come to that through their own free-will. As a Christian, I hold that all these paths will converge at the cross and empty tomb, the Gospel.

Every time I hear a preacher quote the passage saying 'it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgement', I find myself asking 'and then what?' The overall pattern of Scripture is ultimate redemption and restoration after judgment and exile. I do not believe that the judgement is the end of the story for those people whom God will never stop loving.

Some people...

...Choose poorly.

Do they go to heaven too?

Does Jeffery Dahmer get to partake of the Love of the Lord forever?

Na ah.

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I don't know...

...all the details of the agonies of each person's hell that they will face in the process of repentance, before their old self crumbles away and the new self rises like a phoenix from the ashes. But let me ask you this:

If a person as horrible as Saul of Tarsus who was committing religious genocide against others could find redemption on the road to Damascus; if a person like the thief on the cross could find redemption after a life of crime; if Jeffrey Dahmer himself could have repented of his old self on this side of death and received new life, despite the horrors of his past -- why are all these reversals and reconciliations possible on this side of the journey and arbitrarily impossible and unthinkable on the other side of the journey?

But maybe if you don't believe in redemption through Christ on earth, then this is all nonsense to you, regardless. :) [Edit...sorry, I hadn't read your other comments above yet, which clarified that you do believe in that.]

True, but the Bible is the only book that has been authenticated both Historical and Archeological facts! The others cannot say that.

Battle of the Bibles!

Title: 213 - Battle of the Bibles

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Our battle is not against flesh and blood. Spiritual forces would wish to rob man of the only source of inspiration outlining the road to salvation. In the Battle of the Bibles hard evidence is provided for how the enemy has worked behind the scenes to create the stage for the final attack on the Word of God itself. The history and affiliations of those who have dared to reshape God's Word to suit their occult philosophy is clearly exposed.


Not even most jewsseriously seriously believe they're the chosen people

I'm not concerned with the down votes....

They have trolls that will come and down vote any information that they consider damaging to "Jewish" interests. The cattle call goes out and they come runnin....

You're kidding right.

I'm a troll?
Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll, huh?
There are all but maybe a handful of pro-Israel posters that comment with any regularity on DP. I am one of them.
You will always get my most honest and complete arguments.
Nobody is paying me anything and I'm on here of my own volition.
It's kind of hard to miss it when YOU constantly post one anti-Jewish, anti-Israel post after another.
Excuse me for countering your propaganda, with facts and intelligent debate.
It's the kind of talk that you're spewing that lead to the holocaust. But I'll bet you'll deny that happened.
Maybe if you focused on issues that actually matter to Liberty here in America, rather than constantly harping on the Jews, YOU wouldn't be looked at as a troll by many here.

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Here am I

I usually cool it on a thread like this, but I will support fellow DPers like yourself or the Granger, especially when they are reasoned and state the facts. So a vote up from me, and you can count me as pro-Israeli, though not always pro- Israeli government.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


Some, obviously, did not make it through the video. The bottom line was solid.

Some down votes reflect the title.

We're all...

...the chosen people, called by the Creator to be partakers as sons and daughters in Love, Life, Beauty, Adventure. Abraham was chosen specifically to partake in a covenant to yield a priesthood nation through which all people would be blessed, through the coming Messiah who would conquer sin and death for all people, for all time. Israel rebelled against their calling to be this 'vehicle' nation and have been set aside, with the focus shifting to the wider world as the spiritual Kingdom. Many believe that one day, the proper role for Israel as an ambassador/priestly nation will be restored and fulfilled; but the good news of the Gospel is for all people, for all time. In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, and we do not require any earthly mediator between us and the Father -- He is our intercessor and mediator.

You and I were all chosen to partake in His Creation, before the foundation of the world. And I personally believe that His Love will never give up on anyone until they have found their way back from rejecting His Love to embracing it.

Revelation also talks about a

Revelation also talks about a "synagogue of Satan", those who say they are Jews in the end times, but are actually satanists. I find, however, that among a large group of people, some tend to have different beliefs. Although there are many informed people on this website, religion is most likely one thing we will not all agree on.

Exactly. Bunch of phonies

"By their deeds you will know them."

Are we talking about the JPFO, Aaron Russo, Aaron Swarz, and other good Jewish people? No!
Are the Israeli people evil or the average Jewish American, or average Jew anywhere? NO!

There are some very elite occultists who dabble in anything to do with ancient knowledge, i.e. power. They are not really Jews at all but Judaism happens to be very old and the root of Christianity and Islam so anyone looking for ancient knowledge is bound to get into some old Caballah stuff.

Judaism is so old it's not well understood by anyone, even most Jews. It's almost like a religion within a religion, or a religion based on an older religion or religions. There seems to be something like Starwars' the Force. There is a Light and Dark side of the Force. We are supposed to choose the Light. But we must be aware of the Dark.

" wise as serpents, and gentle as doves."

Those who chose the Dark, follow the serpents advice in the Garden, and believe that they are on par with G-d or greater even, as Pharoah did, as Caesar did, as Hitler, Stalin and the European Monarchs did.

Satan always tries to exalt himself above G-d. Obama?

This Dark Knowledge, this Cremation of Care that these Satanists convince themselves of, is to do anything to achieve power in this world.
But Yeshua said... "My Kingdom is not of this Earth."

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The missing link of Jewish European ancestry

The missing link of Jewish European ancestry: contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian hypotheses.

Elhaik E.

Genome Biol Evol. 2013;5(1):61-74. doi: 10.1093/gbe/evs119.
Department of Mental Health, Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health, MD, USA.

The question of Jewish ancestry has been the subject of controversy for over two centuries and has yet to be resolved. The "Rhineland hypothesis" depicts Eastern European Jews as a "population isolate" that emerged from a small group of German Jews who migrated eastward and expanded rapidly. Alternatively, the "Khazarian hypothesis" suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and converted to Judaism in the 8th century. Mesopotamian and Greco-Roman Jews continuously reinforced the Judaized empire until the 13th century. Following the collapse of their empire, the Judeo-Khazars fled to Eastern Europe. The rise of European Jewry is therefore explained by the contribution of the Judeo-Khazars. Thus far, however, the Khazars' contribution has been estimated only empirically, as the absence of genome-wide data from Caucasus populations precluded testing the Khazarian hypothesis. Recent sequencing of modern Caucasus populations prompted us to revisit the Khazarian hypothesis and compare it with the Rhineland hypothesis. We applied a wide range of population genetic analyses to compare these two hypotheses. Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Near Eastern-Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry. We further describe a major difference among Caucasus populations explained by the early presence of Judeans in the Southern and Central Caucasus. Our results have important implications for the demographic forces that shaped the genetic diversity in the Caucasus and for medical studies.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds. - Bob Marley

If someone wants to call

If someone wants to call themselves Jewish, despite having virtually no Semitic ancestry, I really don't care. BUT, this data should forever end the stupid charge of "anti-Semitism" given that most European Jews are NOT Semitic. It should also give pause to those silly Christian Zionists who think that modern Jews are descendants of Abraham.

This is my opinion, based on my study over my lifetime.

Unless your studied in the scriptures your kidding yourself even making a comment here. However, lets assume the laws the Jews wrote were in fact handed down as well as the promise to the children of Abraham. If that is true, than we can assume Christ is true, even if you don't believe he was the messiah.

There are two points to note regarding the scriptures.

1. In regards to changing the law with the new testament(adding to it), Christ said himself he came not to change the law but to fulfill it. Those who recognized Christ as being the messiah were the commoners, the "higher ups" those in big cities did not recognize him as what he was. Like today with Ron Paul, Obama. All of Obama's wins are large cities, and it's mainly us peasants that recognized Ron Paul as a true American.

2. Again like today, while the higher ups did not recognize him, the Jewish leaders did, the "elites" of the day knew exactly who he was, and connived and conceived plans to make him look bad in front of the people they could control, the "higher ups", and don't kid yourself, when I refer to those who claim to be "enlightened" or "higher class" I'm speaking of the liberals AND conservatives today.

When Christ was brought to be tried under roman law, he was handed back to the Jewish priests because even the Romans knew he broke no laws. When the Romans kept calling him "The King of the Jews" they kept trying to get the Romans to say "make sure you say 'King' as a joke." They deliberately knew and wanted to make an example of him.

Assuming Christ was the messiah, which is what I believe, he said "Neither Jew nor Gentile, Bond nor Free, no one comes to the father except through me", and went on to say because the Jews rejected Him, those who follow him will be fulfilled with the promise of Abraham. Christians are now Gods chosen people, of all walks of life and races. The Jews no longer hold the favor in regards to Abraham's children.

Way to spin it... Someone's been taught replacement theology

It started out pretty good.
But in the end of your comment you start referring to "the Jews", as what you initially described as the "higher-ups".
You said the "commoners" were the ones who followed Yeshua.
Well, who do you think they were?
They were JEWS TOO!!!
There sure weren't any Christians or Muslims at the time.

The corrupt Sadducies, along with the most elite Pharricies, were the "Jews" who betrayed Yeshua. They, along with Romans, who were all about TAXES were the "Higher-Ups".
But, they sold out to the Roman Caesar's coin, and they were corrupting the Holy Temple, which is why Yeshua tossed the money tables.
They were no longer Jews! They turned their back on G-d!

"I came not to change one iota of the law, but to fulfill it."

"For the sake of the Remant, shall I bless Israel."

Yeshua did not come to replace the Jews, or the Law, but to bring all peoples into Israel. Christianity is an extension of Judaism. I do believe Jews need to discover their Messiah, to be included in the Remnant, as Christians should discover their Jewish roots. He is coming again. There is still time.

The Elites you broadly labeled as "Jews" in the end of your comment were the same Task-Masters as in Egypt. They were 'elite' because they fell under favor of the Evil (Roman) Empire. Jst like the task-masters under Pharoah. The same traitors who worshipped the golden calf when Moses came down from Sinai. The same whom G-d had the earth swallow up, when they demanded they be included in the Priest class. The same as Karl Marx a supposed "Jew" who wrote that the 'Jew' must be eliminated because he represents G-d, an authority higher than the State. These "Jews" are NOT the Remnant. They are not even Jews at all. They are traitors to G-d. Like Judas. But that does NOT mean OTHER JEWS ARE! The 'commoners' you called them. They are Jews. What about the rest of the disciples? What about the Remnant?! You're throwing the Baby out with the bath-water.

Why not celebrate Passover, as your Messiah did, and wants you to? He came not change one iota of the law, remember? Instead you worship Pagan Holidays, like Easter (Ishtar) and Christmas and it's rituals are Pagan based, Christ wasn't even born in December but September or October.

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"How odd of God... choose the Jews.
How odder still that those He chose
Refuse to choose the Jew He used."
Nash & Lawrence

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that oddity still pales by far

that any of us
chosen are.

We all have erred
fallen away
the Shepherd called
and came our way

He carries us in His own arms
Keeps us safe from all alarms
Lost sheep are searched for 'till He finds
then He releases all that binds

Romans 11

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

You must excuse

but you appear to have confused the Jews with your news that was meant to amuse.



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Gene Greigh... Go away...


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Moses supposes...


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What the heck are you talking about?


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Maybe you're a little behind on your assigned reading. See Testaments, Ye Olde & New Improved, then get back to us.

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Maybe you're a little behind on the comments on this post

I am a Messianic Jew.

So much for the Jews whose refused the Jewest Dude or whatever...

More ignorant idol worshippers hating on the Chosen people. Jews are still carrying that cross I see. Still scapegoats.

"Oh yeah, so evil... How dare you exist! You mean you Jews actually think you have the right to defend yourselves when you're attacked? Who do you think you are? Such arrogant people."

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