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Are Jews The Chosen People?

Title: 937 - Heritage Of Israel

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Tradition holds that those who are born of the sons of Abraham can receive salvation by this merit alone. There are many people who claim to be from the tribes of Israel. This DVD examines this belief in light of Scripture. What was the purpose of Israel? Does salvation come through the Jewish nation? Is salvation even possible through birthright? The meaning of the Jewish feasts is also examined, along with the question of the name of Jesus.

Category: Rekindling the Reformation - English

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Jews rejected Jesus? All of them? Then who were his followers?

Jesus's disciples sure weren't Christians. There were no Christians yet. They were all practicing Jews.
I am Messianic Jewish.
For 500 years before Rome co-opted and paganized Christianity, who do you think were Yeshua's followers? They were JEWS! Messianic Jews!
Do you think they stopped reading Torah? They didn't.
Messianic Judaism is becoming exponentially popular here in America, all around the World, and in Israel. As we come into the Revelation period these truths are coming out, and people are discovering the truth.
Christians all over are re-discovering their Jewish roots and Jews are re-discovering their once-came Messiah. We all agree, Messianic or not, that He will come again and are waiting His arrival!

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

You do realize don't you that

You do realize don't you that those first Jewish Christians are the ancestors of many Palestinian non-Jews? Ironic huh? The Palestinians were the first Christians. Think about that for a while.


I don't know if you will find this interesting, but, I was raised in an Objectivist home.

My God Mother admitted to me, that she was surprized when my Mother asked to have me baptized. When my father returned from being, "out to sea", he was furious, and I suffered my entire life under him for it. Few people have I met that were so openly hostile to religion as he was, though there are many more openly hostile now days.

When I became a teen, in my rebellion, I checked out many religions, cults, stuck with them a few months, and one reason or another, moved onto the next.

At one point I met my best friend who a non practicing Reform Jew, I began going to Temple with his parents and I liked it, enjoyed the Kosher home, the holidays, but I wasn't going to convert.

When my Mother passed away, my father dis-owned the family (under the influence of "the other woman") and my God Mother suggested I get in the Church. I was told the Church has years A,B,C, and in those three years one could learn the Bible. Some say I became devote. I have been practicing Catholicism for over three years, last May being my three year mark. Oddly enough, for whatever the reasons the diocese has, my Church is now on it's third preist, each from a different order.

Last May, two things happened. I decided to explore why Ron Paul said, "Israel is our friend". Which brought me to come to LOVE Israel. It's very strange, because I wasn't seeking to fall in love. The more I looked, the more the "veils" dropped from my eyes, and it has been a fantastic journey.

What many people here say, is what I thought about Israel. Less than a year ago I would have been right in there with them saying exactly what they are saying, and this is why I do not shun them. It's like "meeting my maker", seeing where I was, and all the more amazing what has happened to me, my heart, my mind, my soul.

The other thing that happened is a Messianic Temple opened on Main Street flying the flags of Israel and America. I was attracted to it. As I would pass by, I would dwell on it. So one day I stopped by to satisfy the pull it had on me. I enjoyed the people and the rabbi. They turned me onto John Hagee. I stop by the temple frequently, and wound up writing my new preist a long confession, "I LOVE Israel and it's attracting me". That was weeks ago and I have not heard from the preist. Meanwhile my relationship with the Messianic Temple is developing. It's as if I belong there. And I have these dreams about Israel, which I don't know why except I am so awed by what is happening there.

I have been dumping friends, "if you don't like Israel, you don't like me.. peace be with you, enjoy your life, but I'm not stopping for anyone".

I read on this thread that you are a messianic Jew/Christian, and I always enjoy your posts, and I thought, "That is so funny, that lawnmanjed would bring this up in DP, as I am seriously thinking, and talking of converting.

Thank you for being here. I was alone, and now I do not feel alone, but that someone who knows more than me, understands better than me, is here to show me. God Bless you.

Sin is the transgression of the law.

You have taken verses out of context or used partial verses and made up your own definitions in order to make a case for lawlessness. You have taken the art of half truth to the extreme.

You need to read the whole of Scripture. I'll bet that YOU, while teaching against the Scriptural Holy Days that WILL be kept in the Millennium and His coming Kingdom, would instead preach in favor of keeping pagan holidays like christmas and easter and the day of sun worship sunday. Pagan ways of worship which only bring condemnation.

The New Testament is based on better promises not better laws. It does remove mans requirement to punish those who break His Law and it does away with animal sacrifice as a form of atonement. The Ten Commandments are fully in effect for those who love Him and His Holy Days are a joy to those who know His Name. The made up laws and holidays kept by most christians are an abomination.

Paul told Timothy that "Scripture is given by inspiration of Yahweh and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof for correction, for "INSTRUCTION in RIGHTEOUSNESS that the man of Yahweh may be complete..." Paul is not talking about the New Testament in this verse since there was no "New Testament" for Timothy to study.

Bad servants who are unlawful and/or unfaithful are cast into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Most christians show no true faith and are as lawless as the worst atheist. Be careful you do not find yourself weeping in outer darkness. But if you keep picking and choosing verses, taking them out of context and preaching lawlessness you will deserve it.

We are not called to salvation through arrogance and sinfulness. We are called to salvation through repentance and righteousness. You need to learn what repentance is because there is no salvation without it.

Well said, Anothernobody!

Well said, Anothernobody! Let us all remember that we are ALL sinners and all have fallen short of the grace of G-d. We should hesitate in judging others too harshly, for as we judge so shall we be judged. Labels, even such as "Israel" or the "Jews" can be and are so readily used to divide rather than unite us. But it is clear from Genesis 12 and from history that G-d has used "Israel" to bless all the nations of the world and that those who bless Israel will be blessed and that those who curse her will be cursed. (I am not equating the state of Israel with "Israel") We are all G-d's children and are one with Him.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

NO They Are NOT

Romans 2:11

New International Version (NIV)

11 For GOD does Not show Favouritism.

Exactly, hence the REMNANT

Remnant, i.e. those who REMAIN loyal to G-d in Faith. This is specifically talked about in the Bible. One of the main reasons G-d sent Yeshua to bring gentiles into the fold.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

No, He doesn't show favoritism , He shows grace however to all.

and keeps His Promises. Romans 9 - 11, There are the words of our Lord Himself: Mark 7:25-27 , Matthew 9:28 and Luke 22:30. DYOC on the interpretation of these verses, but at least keep them in mind and in context.

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15


Judaism is a religion NOT A RACE !!!!!!

Life is a sexually transmitted disease with a 100% fatality rate.
Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

There is such thing as being

There is such thing as being a Jew by blood, and they certainly aren't the balding old white men attempting to run the world.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.


There are your "lox and bagels" Jews.

This would refer to your typical liberal Jew who does not believe in G-d, thinks it's all ancient non-sense, but continues to engage in 'cultural Jew' stuff like, well, lox and bagels.

If you don't have Faith you simply are not a Jew. You may be descended from Jews, but you do not keep the Faith.

You wouldn't call an Atheist a Christian, because hi parents or grandparents were Christians. Same with Islam. If you renounce you Islamic faith, you are considered an infidel.

Claiming Jews are a race is ignorance, often based in some sort of prejudice.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I look at it like this... The

I look at it like this...

The ashkenazis are just a bunch of white people who aren't really Jews. They're all of these people with those "berg" and "stein" type last names who are the politicians and owners of the money. They are who "hate" groups and people are against. They are not racially Jewish.

Real Jews by blood are middle eastern in descent (look arab) and are descendents from Abraham. They are racially Jewish.

Jewish is a race, and it can also be a religion. Sammy Davis, Jr. was a religious Jew, but definitely was not an ethnic Jew, and neither is someone like Jerry Seinfeld.

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

if you look at it like that you're wrong

...and you don't understand faith.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

What does anything I said

What does anything I said have to do with faith? I presented facts. Jews are a race of people. They can either worship under Judaism, or not. People who are not a Jew but adopt the religion are not Jews, they are Jewish. Ashkenazis are not Jews, they are Jewish. Jews are middle-eastern by descent. Jesus was an example of a Jew. He would be kinda brown. He was not some pale white guy with straight long hair like the catholic church and people like to paint. Sammy Davis Jr. was not a Jew, he was Jewish. Jerry Seinfeld is not a Jew, he's Jewish (probably really an atheist, but he identifies ceremoniously as Jewish because of his parents). Why is this so hard to grasp, and why are people so offended by this?

Please come join my forum if you're not a trendy and agree with my points of view.

I know that thank you!


I see it's time for today's two minute hate.

Explain how this topic advances liberty?



Can you give me the minute mark where hate is displayed or discussed. I missed it....

Can you tell me how this topic advances liberty?

I missed it. Thx.

You also missed

that this is in the religion section of DP. We do discuss other things here.

Jesus told the leaders of the Jews that they were not . . .

anything special:

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

"Those who bless Israel I shall bless...

...and those who curse Israel I shall Curse."

"For the sake of the REMNANT shall my people be blessed."

If you are a "lox-and-bagels" Jew who does not even believe in G-d but are only a 'cultural Jew' then you likely are not among the Remnant. If you hold true Faith in the Lord and do his bidding on Earth then you may be among the Remnant.

Yeshua the Messiah (aka Jesus Christ) accomplished his goal of spreading G-d's Word across the globe and bringing gentiles into the fold, into Israel.

The Remnant, are the chosen people.

If you were at the Paulfest rally in Tampa, Ron Paul gave a great speech about the 'Remnant' here in America, and it is the Liberty Movement. Like Moses, Jesus, and the (Remnant of the) Jewish people's struggle throughout history, we today are continuing the battle for freedom and love, against the evil empire of earthly desire.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Zionist BS! America has been helping Israel more

LawmanJeds Zionist quote that he like to post on DP:

"God will bless those who bless Israel, and curse those who curse Israel."

America has helped Israel more than any other nation and look where it has gotten us. Ever since our association with Israel we have continuously gone down hill. Both economically and our credibility and image in the world.Israel is nothing more than a parasite nation feeding off of the American people and helping to destroying us. Then you take a look at so many other nations that do absolutely nothing for Israel and they are the ones that have prospered during the same period. Take *Germany for example, they incinerated the Jews and have prospered ever since. Your Zionist BS is just that...BS! Seems very much like a subtle threat to tell you the truth.

* although I think that was wrong, it's still a fact--they are doing extremely well.

are you denying the truth of Jesus' own words--

I am confused about this. God is no respecter of persons. Period. All this elitism.

Only God knows who the 'remnant' are, but I think this is really stretching it.

I am not and have not cursed Israel, whatever and whoever Israel is. I try to bless the lives of Godly people, and in doing so, I believe I am carrying out that mandate. I don't ask people for their genetic make-up before trying to bless their lives!

What Jesus said was simply ignored. He can raise up seed unto Abraham (or anyone) from rocks; that is how unimportant endless genealogies are/were--and always will be.

God looks on the heart. Not on the blood lines--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

You sure are confused.


Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I admitted I was--

your words make no sense to me--

you jump around a lot--

I am beginning to sense that some people who quote the Old Testament don't believe in the New Testament or in the Divinity of Jesus Christ--

and if that is what you choose to believe, fine--

but I don't. I believe the words of Jesus trump everything else--

He said that He could make seed unto Abraham from stones (I gave the reference earlier)--

and His disciple Peter said that God was no respecter of persons--

if anyone knew Jesus, it was Peter--

and, Lawmanjed, find that reference for me, please; I've seen it and heard it, but I can't find it in my concordance--

and I have read the Old Testament quite a few times--

I'm looking, but I can't find it--

Jesus' words are pretty easy to find, though--

they are not obscure, either--

Since you are having your little joke on me, I am beginning to wonder how Messianic you are--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

No, he has it right.

There is a new sheriff in town.

Thank you--


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--


Do the anarchists know and approve?

Granger, I don't know how many anarchists are . . .

Christians/followers of Christ/believers in the Divinity of Jesus Christ--

but when that poster said, "there is a new sheriff in town" he was referring, I believe, to Jesus Christ--

He fulfilled the law--

He IS the law--

What He said is the last word--

But that's beside the point; I have not cursed Israel; spouse and I love to have our Jewish relatives in our home to feed them, and we are VERY considerate about kosher (we are probably more careful about it than some of them--LOL!)--

No pork in this house--

no milk and beef together--nope!

No shellfish--

anyway, that is getting tangential, but the point is that I have not cursed Israel. What I am questioning is the definition of Israel. I believe Israel means those who love God--

and I see a lot of Jews who love God and show it by their peaceable actions--

I bless these people; I pray for them to have success in:

beating their swords into plowshares (Isaiah 2:4)--

How that is cursing Israel I can't . . .

see. So, as I said, before, I am confused by the words of Lawmanjed (sp?)--

but if he is not truly a Christian, then he would rely more upon the Old Testament than the new--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

1988 vote,, TY for the wake up

New Sheriff in town being Jesus.. LOL that made my day!

It had gone right over my head! "swoooooooooooosh!" Thank you for the wake up! :D

I just started looking into Messianic Judeaism, which is lawnmanjed (lawn man jed) They are not Jews for Jesus, they are Jews who accept Jesus as the Messiah. Jesus was a Jew, so they are Jews, like Jesus, who believe Jesus fullfilled the scripture, came as an infant, and will return to assume the throne of King David, which is being unearthed.. have you seen it?