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UPDATED w/PICS The Day I Left Urban Hell and Moved to the Country - July 8th 2013

Last month I lived in a cookie cutter home in Southern California, this month I have a big house and 20 acres in Montana.

I no longer work for anyone but myself and have opened Dry Creek Ammo, manufacturing ammunition and as a web store that will be slowly growing in more custom ammunition as well as tactical arms and equipment. Right now I only have .223/5.56 Ammunition and cleaned brass for the same caliber. Sales are going okay so far, though I have not put a red cent into marketing yet, just my own time.

I suppose some will think I should label this post as "advertisement" and I suppose it is some extent. I really wanted to rejoice vocally that I've made the move to break free. We are going to do a few things on the property to make our own electricity, we have our own well that taps a 90ft deep aquifer that is pure and sweet drinking water from Bridger Mountain snow melt. We are going to get a cow soon, chickens, sheep and we will see what else. The kids will have a great time with 4H I think! Maybe Future Farmers of America too.

I would love anyone here to take a look at my website and let me know what you think of the look of it. I will be doing more and more graphic updates all the time as well as adding products such as custom milled AR15s, knives, and other things. By this time next year we should have a real nice assortment of everything.

Thanks to anyone that reads this and to anyone that gives any feedback for the website. Open for Business, no longer a SLAVE to a corporation.

Kind Regards,
Mr. Kotter

House from front lawn

Bridger Mountain View from front lawn

Looking at the Gallatin Range across the valley. A little hazy.

Small garden with raspberries and a few other things.

My own private tee box with a 400yd range for practicing the old golf swing

100 yard shooting range off the back for sighting in all my new rounds!

And finally, the office and shop where I go with bed hair, slippers and coffee to start my work day

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on your move. It sounds like you are happy with the decision. Your website seems to be coming along as well since the first time I saw it.

Any "DP discounts" available?

I'd be happy to do a video review of your ammo and take it out to the range and see how it groups with various rifles from pre-ban and modern mini 14's to AR's. I'm a fairly avid benchrest shooter (even though it's been a bit cost prohibitive lately) and a reloader. Let me know if you're interested.

Discounts are always great,

Discounts are always great, but if you've got the means, you should help support the DPer instead and give him all you can...

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

Hi Jefferson

Thanks for the good words!

DP discounts will be available when I get more stock going in Sept. to early October. I will have my own label of ammo up by then as well.

I'd love you to do a review on my label when they are ready. .223 will be my first selection available as well. I have a few of my own videos to post later that I will incorporate into the site when I have down time in the winter (bump stock stuff, some super slo mo I shot commercially).

Thanks Jefferson, it will be cool to have you do a review!


Mind sharing a rough price

Mind sharing a rough price range for a bigger home on 20 acres in Montana? Thanks.

Depends on where the property is located

and house amenities; $300,000 to several million. Bozeman, Big Sky, Livingston & Whitefish most expensive.

It really depends on where you decide to park it in MT

Things are a bit more expensive in the area I chose than many other places in MT and the property we have is desired foothill property in the Gallatin Valley. The value of this property with the house and a 40x40 building with my shop inside it runs about $600K, but since I bought it from my parents I paid about half of that.

You can find similar in less desirable areas for $250K to 350K. In the area in CA I moved from, just this house on 1/4 acre would run about a million or so.

That is awesome you finally

That is awesome you finally moved away from the SoCal socialist 'utopia'. I am even more happy that you have embraced the country and freedom lifestyle in your new home in Montana. So many people have moved from CA to places like Utah and Northern Idaho when the housing market crashed and they took their whining and socialist policies with them. Here in Utah a bunch moved down south in Utah County near a public shooting area and complained until they shut it down... thanks assholes.

There are some things you will notice with your new lifestyle. The first is since you are on a well you will get used to fresh water and will soon be unable to drink any form of tap water. We have a well now and I have to bring water bottles everywhere because tap water tastes like public pool water now.

Your kids will grow up in nature and you will notice they will grow up to be real Men and know whats up more than their city slick counter parts- especially the ones from CA. I grew up in Eastern Washington and I probably wouldnt be here on this site or care about Liberty had I not grown up hiking, backpacking and exploring which allowed me to grow my own identiy beyond the mainstream media crap they feed our generation.

Anyway, I am excited you moved to such a great part of the world and wish you the best of luck on your business. I have a couple of buddies that own AR-15's. Ill let them know about your site as they are often looking for good places to get ammo.

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

Hi Fish!

Indeed, this is all true already. I should have mentioned that I grew up here from 15yrs old to 26 before I left to go get some experiences and have wanted to come back for several years now. With wife and kids I have come back home and realize things I forgot I missed on a near hourly basis. My appreciation for it has grown immensely since my younger days and it was time to come back home.

I am excited to have found the DP in the meantime as there are SO many great ideas that come up, such as the rocket stove heater that I intend to build for the shop heat next year, the gardening/farming ideas etc etc etc, I will be using so much information I found here at DP!

Thanks for the kind and thoughtful words, the experience has just begun!


Way to go Kotter. If I could

Way to go Kotter. If I could get my wife out there to Montana or Wyoming, I would in a heartbeat. Too cold for her though...and if she isn't happy, my chances of being so are slim to none.

My only concerns about going west are the ongoing effects of Fukushima.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
― Ron Paul

Thanks John C!

I don't think we are far enough west to get any fukushima and the jet stream pushes from the north down and to the east so I figure between our altitude and thejet stream we are good to go. Just hope there are no meltdown in British Columbia and we are okee dokee lol.

As far as the cold goes, that is what a romantic fireplace and solar back up heat are for! hahahaha

You're probably the coolest

You're probably the coolest person on DP at the moment. Living the dream by keeping our peacemakers loaded up.

Reading the DP about the experience of others

really helped me push harder to get this move to happen. So if I have any cool hanging off me, it's the result of many fine people here revving me up to get 'er done. :-)

I don't sell to any police organizations either, the exception to the rule would be that if the local Sheriff here needed ammo I would sell it to them as I know he pro 2A and anti Obama. The local police, however, will have to go elsewhere. Our nice little community has a Bozeman police dept. that looks like they are geared up to invade another country that refuses to use a Western Central Bank...



Would love to see some pics of the property.

"All our words are but crumbs that fall down from the feast of the mind." - Khalil Gibran
"The Perfect Man has no self; the Holy Man has no merit; the Sage has no fame." - Chuang Tzu

Pics added to main post


Thank you and

I will gladly do that, probably today, and post them in the initial thread post if it will let me.

A country boy can survive.

A country boy can survive. Welcome to the sticks or lack thereof maybe where you're at. I have been living the country boy's dream since about 1982 til 1999, then from 2003 til now. We're currently on 5 acres surrounded by another 100+acres of private woodlands. We have walking access to all of it, wood cutting and riding access to 20+. But the big prize should be landing next week when we are supposed to close on a 38 acre parcel and then start a timber frame. Unfortunately I work for the man, but I own a portable sawmill, sell firewood, garden, and my wife is a childcare provider. Country folks get it done. I just come in from a nice bonfire, Tigers game loud on the radio, some cold brews, kids jumping and screaming on the trampolene (sp?). And guess who said anything..... that's right no one.

Best of luck in your endeavors and welcome to the club;)


We moved out of the PRC (People's Republic of I mean California) back in 06. Now we are in a suburban/rural setting. There's no going back for sure! We still missed it occasionally for the food, but nothing else will draw us back, unless God tells us to do so. Now we have a garden and planning on a chicken coup as well. Like you we are on well water, too. It's no comparison between well and city water. Best wishes on your new endeavours.

please educate us

please educate us .... what can we do with the once fired brass....

Engage in Secure Exchange

Bytejockey has it right

You use the brass to reload your own if you have the equipment and the knowledge! I use this once fired brass to manufacture new ammunition. It's less expensive and I have all the equipment to bring it back to good as new condition and sell new ammunition using re-manufactured brass. It keeps the costs down about $.25 per round as NEW brass is way expensive. You can still 'get what you pay for' with new brass from low quality producers and get cracked necks right from the get go too, so I mainly use military surplus brass but also remington and a few others that are high quality in the 1x fired category.

Start reloading

Save money and bypass the ammo shortages that periodically appear.

Welcome to Sanity!

I made the move 3 years ago from Madison area, to 20 miles from Canada in Montana, and there is no way I can go back. The price you pay to go a little farther to shop or elevated prices is more than worth the death city life felt like!

Welcome to sanity. :)

And nice site.

For Liberty!!!

Cheers to that, MfRP!

I replied to your email as well, good to find Liberty loving neighbors up here. Never going back, for fact!

Peace and Gold

Let us know when you're ready

Let us know when you're ready to hire. Some other people may be looking to escape and just need a place to go...

Oh yeah... Congratulations!

Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty. -Thomas Jefferson

When I grow enough to start hiring

this is the FIRST place I will post the info!

Thanks, bronko!

Movin' to Montana Soon?

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Dental Floss Ranches

are in low supply around here, however, my wife is a Dental Hygienist so we may have to procure some to put up on the website to make the real money haha

Dude nice job escaping the

Dude nice job escaping the People's Republic of California. I made my escape in '08, and haven't looked back. Viva Tejas

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."


is imploding. The stats on who is leaving and who is moving in blew me away!

My sis and bro in law just moved to Tejas this month from the PRC too. :-)

Many thanks, ML. I wanna come down for a TX hog hunt some day!


What an accomplishment. I would love to have some property and garden, animals, etc

proverbs 20:15
There is gold, and an abundance of jewels;
But the lips of knowledge are a more precious thing.


The garden has raspberries already there and growing and a huge rhubarb lol. More next year for sure!