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I am an atheist

A a libertarian, I don't not believe in false dogmatic fairy tales such as the pagan plagiarized Bible that attempts to run my life.

If you are an atheist too, then please upvote and comment below.

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Who cares what you are...

Who cares what you are... want a brownie or something for making a dumb decision?

I'm an atheist too but I'd

I'm an atheist too but I'd rather hang out with a bunch of god fearing libertarians than statist atheists any day of the week.

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^^^ +1,000,000 (so I wish :) and BUMP

^^^ +1,000,000 (so I wish :) and BUMP

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

I am an atheist too; I don't believe in government.


"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

Cyril's picture

^^^ +10 (so I wish :) and BUMP

^^^ +10 (so I wish :) and BUMP

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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I note a couple of implicit contradictions in that sentence...

First, by definition "libertarians" embrace religious tolerance. After all, many came to the new world to escape religious and political tyranny. Liberty brings people with differing beliefs together and encourages dialogue, one of the best tools for discovering solutions to societies problems. However, your post sounds rather intolerant and divisive.

Second, proclaiming one's self an "atheist", seems ironically "dogmatic."

Third, the word "pagan" is often misused and as a consequence has lost its original meaning. This is very important to understand, particularly by those of us who value the idea of "localism."

Pagan is derived from the Latin word "Paganus" and originally meant "region delimited by markers" and later "of or relating to the countryside", "country dweller", "villager", or "country folk." It derives from pagus ("district", "province"), is related to pangere ("to fix", "to fasten"), and ultimately comes from PIE *pag- ("to fix").

Later these ordinary "citizens" who were "fixed" to their land would become known as "pagans" by the Roman military in their imperial conquest for food, land, and resources. Moreover, the misuse of the word pagan as a pejorative term for polytheists was the result of the "War on Pagans" initiated in the 4th century by the Roman oligarchy in much the same way that the ruling elite today use the "War on Terror" to go after political dissidents.

So, let's work together to restore Liberty and not fall into the traps being set by those who want to divide us.

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; none but ourselves can free our minds. - Bob Marley

You seem to have many authoritarian tendencies.

Just as Ayn Rand was extremely uncomfortable with the idea that people would chose to use their liberty to be charitable, you seem to be in agony over the thought that a liberty lover would choose to worship God.

I was in your shoes once. When I discovered that God actually existed, it freed me from my atheist dogma, and allowed me to open my mind to the way reality actually works.

I have nothing but best wishes for you. No condemnation, no judging, just the hope that all of us learn and embrace the truth in the end. We all learn new things throughout our lives. I am no exception, and neither are you.

false rand statement

Did Ayn Rand oppose helping others? Did Ayn Rand consider charity immoral?
No. While Ayn Rand didn't consider charity a moral duty, she did not consider it immoral either.

Actually we are all agnostic,

It's just that few are willing to admit it (it's too risky for Christians and Muslims, on the other hand Atheists think it has to be the opposite.)

I say, since either side does not have empirical evidence, why not rid yourself of these diametrically opposed shackles, it will open doors to your growth as a human.

MY-LIFE: > Christian > Atheist > Free

Tolerance is a defining principle of Libertarians

Tolerance is a defining principle of Libertarians and so is God given natural rights. Atheism is the belief of nothing and has no scientific basis either? In my experience Atheist are Intellectually dishonest and to lazy to be bothered with esoteric thoughts of spirituality. Hope this is argumentative enough for your question about nothing.
Food for thought? If you really want to rail against God and his Churches? You should call yourself a Devil Worshiper. For Satin is Gods' oldest and most worthy advisory. But, then you would actually have to read a book. And I'm sure that is a "NO-Go" for you.

so was

George Orwell
Ayn Rand
Mark Twain

you're in good company.

Ayn Rand, while economically

Ayn Rand, while economically sound was morally despicable.

Other Famous Aetheists...
Karl Marx
Chairman Mao

Maybe he isnt in the best company? No...my list means the same as yours....nothing.

depends on who

he identifies himself with. i highly doubt it's the people you picked. and we could do the same thing with men and women of religion.

means nothing? oh it must mean SOMETHING or why would you even comment?

it may cause someone to investigate further on some of these people. are you saying that a person who might pursue that investigation is pursuing nothing?

from Galt’s speech: “Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.”

I was saying that you can

I was saying that you can make lists of great men who were atheists(or religeous) but those lists mean nothing because others can make lists of terrible men who were atheists(or religeous). Good(or evil) by collectivist associasm doesnt work. That was my point.

As for your quote from Atlas Shrugged....Atlas Shrugged was a great book....Ayn Rand certainly talked the talk...but in her personal life she did NOT walk the walk. I happen to believe its because she didnt actually believe anything she professed to, or anything at all. She seemed very much obsessed with freedom for herself...but was far from tolerant of freedom for her followers. The thing that I didnt like about Atlas Shrugged is the complete selfishness and lack of thought Dagne showed toward both Francisco and Henry. I think this was a reflection of her true beliefs.....her own happiness at the expense of all others. Now I am not saying you should make yourself miserable for anyone else...but I am saying you need to decide what you want and not settle for anything less....in the case of Dagne's personal relationships doing so was very damaging to both Francisco and Henry. Of course in her book they act like its no big deal...but we know thats not how it works in real life.

the book atlas shrugged

is not without its flaws.

on your first point: again, if i consider myself a quaker and decide to make a list quakers i admire, and i read their books, it means something, to me at least.

that you can make an opposite list and dig up evil quakers also means something to you, or why would you do it?

I was not aware that Mark Twain

was an atheist. I knew he was highly critical of the hypocrisy of organized religion, and used his pen like a razor to cut through it. But is there evidence that he was actually sure there was no God? I honestly do not know the answer, and would love to learn the answer.

Here's a great book for you

Here's a great book for you to check out. The version that I have is a collection of a few stories, I'm not sure if this book contains the other stories or not. Twain was most certainly not theist.

He was a Presbyterian.

It says so in Wikipedia. On the other hand:

"If there is a God, he is a malign thug."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"Faith is believing something you know ain't true."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Following the Equator / 1897)

"Our Bible reveals to us the character of our god with minute and remorseless exactness... It is perhaps the most damnatory biography that exists in print anywhere. It makes Nero an angel of light and leading by contrast"
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Reflections on Religion / 1906)

"There is one notable thing about our Christianity: bad, bloody, merciless, money-grabbing and predatory as it is -- in our country particularly, and in all other Christian countries in a somewhat modified degree -- it is still a hundred times better than the Christianity of the Bible, with its prodigious crime -- the invention of Hell. Measured by our Christianity of to-day, bad as it is, hypocritical as it is, empty and hollow as it is, neither the Deity nor His Son is a Christian, nor qualified for that moderately high place. Ours is a terrible religion. The fleets of the world could swim in spacious comfort in the innocent blood it has spilt."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Reflections on Religion / 1906)

"Blasphemy? No, it is not blasphemy. If God is as vast as that, he is above blasphemy; if He is as little as that, He is beneath it."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / in Mark Twain: A Biography, of Albert Bigelow Paine / 1912)

"O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it..."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / The War Prayer)

"[The Bible is] a mass of fables and traditions, mere mythology."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Mark Twain and the Bible)

"Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Letters from the Earth)

"The church is always trying to get other people to reform; it might not be a bad idea to reform itself a little, by way of example."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 /A Tramp Abroad)

"If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be -- a Christian."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Notebook)

"There are many scapegoats for our sins, but the most popular one is Providence."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Notebook / 1898)

"One of the proofs of the immortality of the soul is that myriads have believed it. They also believed the world was flat."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Notebook)

"In religion and politics people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other non-examiners, whose opinions about them were not worth a brass farthing."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Autobiography / 1959)

"It ain't the parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / in The "Wit and Wisdom, of Mark Twain of Alex Ayres / 1987)

"Man is the religious animal. He is the only religious animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion –- several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight. He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying his honest best to smooth his brother's path to happiness and heaven."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910 / Letters from the Earth)

"Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"Sacred cows make the best hamburger."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes and wishes he was certain of."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"There is no other life; life itself is only a vision and a dream for nothing exists but space and you. If there was an all-powerful God, he would have made all good, and no bad."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

""In God We Trust." I don't believe it would sound any better if it were true."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

"[The Bible] has noble poetry in it... and some good morals and a wealth of obscenity, and upwards of a thousand lies."
(Mark Twain / 1835-1910)

Most of Twain's really anti-religious stuff was only published after his death -- a pretty good clue that he wasn't comfortable speaking the full truth about his religious beliefs, or lack thereof. A closet atheist, my opinion.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...

What makes

you think Orwell was a good guy. Because of his book? His book is dangerous. They are using his book as a platform.

who are they?

The People in

power are they. What if Orwell was just a platform for them to go by. Just saying... I read the book and it is very informative, but scary too.

it's a cautionary tale

but the people in power have made orwell look like an optimist.

An Atheist and a Bear

An atheist was taking a walk through the woods, admiring all that evolution had created.

"What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals!", he said to himself. As he was walking along the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him. When he turned to see what the cause was, he saw a 7-foot grizzly charging right towards him. He ran as fast as he could. He looked over his shoulder and saw that the bear was closing, He ran even faster, crying in fear. He looked over his shoulder again, and the bear was even closer. His heart was pounding and he tried to run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He rolled over to pick himself up, but saw the bear right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw and raising his right paw to strike him.

At that moment, the Atheist cried out "Oh my God!...." Time stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent. Even the river stopped moving.

As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky, "You deny my existence for all of these years; teach others I don''''t exist; and even credit creation to a cosmic accident. Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"

The atheist looked directly into the light "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask You to treat me as Christian now, but perhaps could you make the bear a Christian?" "Very well," said the voice.

The light went out. The river ran again. And the sounds of the forest resumed.

And then the bear dropped his right paw ..... brought both paws together...bowed his head and spoke: "Lord, for this food which I am about to receive, I am truly thankful."

That is the most clever thing I have ever read on this web site.

Did you write it? Would love to see other samples of the author's writing.




Now take your hate some where else.

Oh yeah? Well I drive a

Oh yeah? Well I drive a Hyundai! Your move.

(the majority of your threads are snarky, demeaning, and offer little to this forum. Your atheism doesn't have much to do with it)

Southern Agrarian

I really don't like the negative reactions here

You all aren't as libertarian as I thought

More like hate mongerers

We don't hate atheists

But we're not too fond of jerks who make obvious, un-clever, divisive posts bashing other people for personal beliefs which have nothing to do with liberty. I'm an atheist myself, by the way.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...