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Questions for an Atheist. If there is no God/Creator where do our rights come from?

Our Founders designed America under the belief that our rights come from our God/Creator. These rights are to be unalienable and superior to government. If there is no God, where do you suppose our rights come from? Do we have any?

I believe everything was put on this earth as a gift from God, which in return makes human rights superior to animal rights. If the deer in the forest is not a gift from God, who's property is the deer killed by the hunter? What right is superior: the hunters right to provide food for his family, or the animals right to life? Without God, what right does the hunter have to hunt in the King's/State's forest? Where does this right come from, the King? Without God, could it not be argued that the hunter has no right other than to starve?

Updated 7/25. I have since edited-out a short section of my post stating Marx was an Atheist. I apologize. I've received a lot of comments stating if your an Atheist, you must also be a Communist, and I didn't mean to be interpreted that way. I wanted to stir up some discussion, but it was not my intention to offend anyone. I'm sorry.

Furthermore, I'm referring specifically to America's ethics and Natures God that the Founders often referred to as a Christian God, but at the same time was supposed to be universal/self-evident among all religions and individuals. This raises other questions. Why does Dr. Paul always refer to the "Christian Just Theory of War"? Does it not make a mockery of Dr. Paul and the Founders to talk so disrespectfully about a God that is the very foundation of America's values and morals? I believe the Founders left the term so broad that it could be interpreted by everyone, on and individual level, but certainly not denounced and made a mockery of.



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Whether you are atheist or

Whether you are atheist or not, you have to agree that atheism is simply another belief system/religion that requires "faith". First, you cannot prove there is no God, so the assumption/belief that there is no God is a belief that requires "faith".

Yawn, one of the most asinine arguments that I see all the time.
First you cannot prove there is a god which always comes before someone trying to disprove it.
I'll try to make this simple for you, I say a dog exists, (god spelled backward), you say prove it, I say come here lassie, dog jumps in my lap, proof. Now if I just said that a dog exists but offered no proof how would you prove that it doesn't?
An Atheist requires proof that something exists not faith. Faith as Nathaniel Brandon said is a "short circuit to knowledge, destroying the mind" and from what I see from the believers in the supernatural he's right.

One more observation

Did you all notice that Soviet Russia, Nazi Germany and Communist China all happened in the country where there was no real Christianity and the belief in God? The Russian Orthodox church is just as dead during the time prior to the revolution. Germany was completely into the philosophy of high thinking and abandoned God long time ago. ("God is dead"). And China never had a true believe of an Almighty God, and the intelligentsia during the late 19th 20th century all got caught on by the philosophies of Europe and were heavily influenced by Socialism and Communism. So there goes at least 150 million lives lost because of these three atheistic regimes.

A absolutely worthless

A absolutely worthless argument. The japanese killed the most people during world war two btw(whos main victims were those "atheist" chinese), and they saw their emperor as a god.

Christians have done insane things to people throughout history, and the only reason they don't win the kill count are because there wasn't as many people around for them to kill, and they couldn't move around the globe as fast. We can always ask the Mayans how they are doing... or not! Since they are basically extinct.

More nonsense. Ever been to

More nonsense. Ever been to China? I have and I've seen the very old Christian churches with my own two eyes.

I disagree with this

There are many religious people in Russia and Christianity has always been strong in Russia. As messed up as the Nazis were, they were very spiritual (see The Occult Roots of Nazism). As far as China, it is true that China has a high percentage of atheists, but part of that is massaging of data by the atheist ruling elite. The rural folk in China are quite religious.

“The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants.” — Albert Camus

Atheism

Everyone needs to go back and read the same books ready by Jefferson and Madison and this includes Greek literature. The Greeks are the initial drivers that came up with the concept that man had rights as man, regardless of God (even though they didn’t phrase it as rights). They had no Bible to read either. They were not perfect, but Athens came closest to a libertarian society until England and the U.S. The Renaissance and Enlightenment are products of the reintroduction of Greek writings into the dark ages of Christian Europe via the Crusades. The Christians fought the opening of the mind of man and his right to his on conscience every step of the way. Liberty and the concepts of man having rights independent of Religion, God and Government has been a long road for man. It culminated in the American Revolution. The Founders were well educated in Greek writings and many could read Greek. Ayn Rand was a great culmination of synthesizing Greek Philosophy, the Enlightenment, the Founders and the Industrial Revolution. She isn't perfect, but who is... :) We must truly understand that rights are a product of the very nature of man as rational agents and not god, religion, the tribe or government. We know more now about Liberty and man’s rights than ever and yet we continue to fight the same battles against religion, government, and the slavery of the common man to serve those in power.

Wakan Tanka

Translated as "The Great Spirit". However, according to Russell Means, its meaning is closer to "Great Mystery."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakan_Tanka

"I, __________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_enlistment

There is no duration defined in the Oath

Let me see now?

You are telling me that we get our rights from some ethereal being who is somewhere out there in the universe in an undisclosed place, and this invisible essence communicates with human beings by telepathic visions that are only interpretable by the receiving brain, usually a Christian cleric of sorts or maybe a witch doctor or shaman of another equally legitimate religion.

Christians have Jesus, Muslims have Allah, Hindu's have Vishnu and others, Shintoists maybe Asmaterasu, the head hunters of Borneo have their own, the Mayas, the Aztecs, and the Australian Aborigines have theirs. Before we begin the discussion, please tell me whose ethic are we debating?

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I'm referring to America's

I'm referring to America's ethics and Natures God that the founders often referred to as a Christian God, but at the same time was supposed to be universal/self-evident among all religions and individuals. This raises other questions. Why does Dr. Paul always refer to the "Christian Just Theory of War". Does it not make a mockery of Dr. Paul and the Founders to talk so disrespectfully about a God that is the very foundation of America's values and morals? I believe the founders left the term so broad that it could be interpreted by everyone on and individual level, but certainly not denounced and made a mockery of.

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In the end, all rights come from just being decent human beings.

God, or no God.

If people don't learn to afford each other some mutual rights on their own and honor them, it isn't like God is going to swoop down and force them to. His job is the judging, his followers job is the doing. And for the Godless, if they don't honor some kind of mutual rights on their own, they will inevitably become victims of their own refusal to do so in a society of chaos.

So, It is and always has been up to mankind.

But good luck with that search in either scenario, and pack a few lunches.

As an atheist I still believe

As an atheist I still believe in God given or natural rights. It is just that my definition of God isnt some old man sitting in some clouds; that was the way a church decided to portray God. I view God as the laws that govern the universe: everything fr gravity to the laws of economics to me are God. Each of us use a God to describe how the universe works. How that God is materialized for each individual will vary based on what goes on around them and the experiences that they have in life.

Oops. I thought atehists didn't believe in gods at all.

You are stuck where, in my confused youth, I was before I realized that the existence of an invisible whatsis somewhere out there in the sky and a 2000 year old dead prophet talking to me in my dreams telling me to believe or burn in hell was utter nonsense. My confusion began to unravel when I saw a science movie in the third grade about how rain formed in the upper atmosphere and became precipitation. That made a lot more sense to me than Adam and Eve.

The key word is science. I didn't learn until later about mystics, mythology, priests, witch doctors, shamans, and their ultimate expression of confusion -- theology.

You aren't an atheist. You're an agnostic.

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Excellent Question

The Atheists on this site don't like to admit it but most Atheists are liberal Marxists. That's just a fact. So I don't think it was wrong to draw that comparison even if it wasn't your intention.

Atheists like to say that they don't need some stupid book (i.e. the bible) to tell them how to be a good person. This is complete nonsense. The nature of man is wicked. This is plain as day yet they refuse to admit this simple truth.

Man will be governed by God or ruled by tyrants.
- William Penn

Since the belief in the state

Since the belief in the state is a form of religion you can't be an Atheist and a liberal Marxist, you still believe in a higher authority other than yourself.

Check out Larken Rose on the Religion of Statism.

http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-712-larken-rose-on-th...

Oh Please

You know they don't see it that way.

Marxist Atheists do not refer to the state as their god. That is your interpretation of their belief system, not theirs.

One of the dumbests posts

One of the dumbests posts I've read thus far on this topic. Both paragraphs.

Ad hominem attacks are about

Ad hominem attacks are about as stupid as it gets. I suppose you fail to see the irony in your post.

Maybe you fail to recognize

Maybe you fail to recognize that I don't care. To claim that I'm a Marxist simply because I'm an atheist is dumb. I don't need to explain why.

Comprehension

I said "most" Atheists are liberal Marxists. Clearly not those on this site; however, most Atheists are liberals. That's a fact, jack! (Uncle Si). You are in need of reading comprehension skills.

So who's dumb now?

"So who's dumb now?" It

"So who's dumb now?"

It appears that you are. I said that the comment was dumb, I didn't say that you are dumb.That's a fact, jack! Who's in need of reading comprehension skills now? And I also have to disagree with your premise that the nature of man is wicked and they we Atheists are demoralizing society. Wtf do the Kardashians and the like have to do with Atheism? You think xtians aren't responsible for some of this shitty tv programming?

Silly Rabbit

If you criticize someone's comment as you did, by implication you are indicting the writer. Yours is such a silly argument. I'm not surprised considering the lack of intelligence in your string of posts.

The Kardashians are much like Atheists being that they are both godless heathens who are destroying America.

And no, Christians are not responsible for shameful programming.

OK, now I am calling you

OK, now I am calling you dumb.

Resorting to name calling.

Resorting to name calling. I'll take that as a win. Thank you :)

Stalk much? That's creepy.

Stalk much? That's creepy. And I used an adjective. That wasn't name calling. Nice attempt at being clever though.

Looooser

Looks like I touched a nerve. What's wrong... don't like having your words thrown back in your face? Our comments are in the public domain. That's why they're there.

Once again you come up with a ridiculous argument. An adjective? Seriously? You're gonna have to do better than that.

Definition of NAME-CALLING
: the use of offensive names especially to win an argument or to induce rejection or condemnation (as of a person or project) without objective consideration of the facts.

BOOM

you lose :)

Hahaha!

Hahaha!

Apparently

...ignorance IS bliss.

The nature of man is wicked.

The nature of man is wicked. This is plain as day yet they refuse to admit this simple truth.

Speak for yourself, this is what you really mean...

The nature of myself is wicked. This is plain as day yet I admit to this simple truth.

The Wicked

There is wickedness in every man. If you can't admit that, then you are lying to yourself. I suppose you are better than everyone else.

If that were true, atheists

If that were true, atheists would commit crimes at a disproportionately high rate, since the only thing stopping them would be whether or not they'd get caught.
But the opposite is true. Atheists are imprisoned for crimes at a much lower rate than religious people.