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Questions for an Atheist. If there is no God/Creator where do our rights come from?

Our Founders designed America under the belief that our rights come from our God/Creator. These rights are to be unalienable and superior to government. If there is no God, where do you suppose our rights come from? Do we have any?

I believe everything was put on this earth as a gift from God, which in return makes human rights superior to animal rights. If the deer in the forest is not a gift from God, who's property is the deer killed by the hunter? What right is superior: the hunters right to provide food for his family, or the animals right to life? Without God, what right does the hunter have to hunt in the King's/State's forest? Where does this right come from, the King? Without God, could it not be argued that the hunter has no right other than to starve?

Updated 7/25. I have since edited-out a short section of my post stating Marx was an Atheist. I apologize. I've received a lot of comments stating if your an Atheist, you must also be a Communist, and I didn't mean to be interpreted that way. I wanted to stir up some discussion, but it was not my intention to offend anyone. I'm sorry.

Furthermore, I'm referring specifically to America's ethics and Natures God that the Founders often referred to as a Christian God, but at the same time was supposed to be universal/self-evident among all religions and individuals. This raises other questions. Why does Dr. Paul always refer to the "Christian Just Theory of War"? Does it not make a mockery of Dr. Paul and the Founders to talk so disrespectfully about a God that is the very foundation of America's values and morals? I believe the Founders left the term so broad that it could be interpreted by everyone, on and individual level, but certainly not denounced and made a mockery of.

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I was going to add John

I was going to add John Locke, but now stand corrected. Locke was not a follower of Christ, but and advocate for God.

Nature

Read Locke's treatises on civil government. John Locke if you didn't know was the primary philosophical inspiration for the Declaration of independence and the Constitution.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty."

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Our Knowledge of the

Our Knowledge of the Existence of God.
John Locke book 4 chapter 10
http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/locke/locke1/Bo...

That negates

nothing I said. Rights come our state of nature. You can believe God controls nature if you want, others don't. Stop crying about it.

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I agree, Locke's work served as a foundation and ...

Deism, a religion that more than any other was prototypical of the Enlightenment frame of mind, emphasized naturalism, natural man, and rational inquiry, all of which finely complemented Franklin's interests in Indian cultures.

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Locke

was a career politician. His writing did not define his life. Rumor has it only 4 people attended his funeral. Just sayin there may be better people to refer than him.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Are you sure

you'r not confusing him with Thomas Paine (with only four attending his funeral and being the mind and pen behind the declaration of independence)?

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So we judge someone's life

by how popular they are? Are you kidding me?

Just sayin there may be better people to refer than him.

Not many, John Locke's philosophical reasoning is dead on. Our rights come from nature and not men. You gave me nothing, let's get that perfectly straight. I made no contract with you for rights, I made no contract with society for rights. I HAVE rights. I retain my rights by the fact that I am a sentient life form, who by nature would have these rights with or without you.

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we clearly agree that right come naturally

I did give you something, it appears to be frustration. My apologizes.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Atheist Worldview

Your rights are relative a mere subjective taste dictated by either the Individual, Society, or Elites in power. If our rights are God given then there is clearly an objective.

Semantics

If one were to not believe in god, they must consider that something created the atoms in our body. That something was a star that fused hydrogen and helium into carbon nitrogen oxygen etc. if you won't accept a god as our creator, you can consider the star that created the atoms in our body as our creator, and we are endowed by that star, or the earth itself, with certain unalienable rights. This brings the argument to the same level as a religious creator.

"Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito."

all I'm sayin is

God's probably an alien and it's probably more than one.

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Have you observed a

Have you observed a non-living object bring about life?

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Hey Hey

you mean to say that it doesn't make sense that everything came from nothing. Unguided processes and star dust are pretty intelligent i hear.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Excellent, well said.

Excellent, well said.

Just for the record I am a Catholic Christian.

But this one is an easy one.

There are no such thing as rights. There is only the autonomy of man over his decisions based on his judgment, surrounding circumstances and his desires.

when you acknowledge that that autonomy cannot be taken away, and you realize that no man has more control over his reality than any other man, you realize natural rights are descriptive as opposed to prescriptive. they dont exist in some fairy tale land hut are a function of reality/existence...

Just sayin...

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was jesus

a catholic Christian? and if not why are you?

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

I don't think Jesus was

I don't think Jesus was anything close to the denominations of Christianity that exist today. Just saying, the argument goes pretty much all ways on that one.

From existing.

Where did god come from, who made god? How did god come by the right to give us rights?

The only rights that exist are the ones you are willing to fight for, defend, and die for. No piece of paper or fictitious being can grant you anything, those can all be taken away. And the piece of paper says "Natures God", that can be interpreted in many ways.

We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident

They come, as Judge Napolitano says, "from our humanity."

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I think, therefore I am.

Because I am verifiably an individual, I have free will and I am a conscious human being, I inherently have individual rights.

our natural

our natural instincts........where it comes from......who knows

Was it you?

You must have been the "dude" that called me a "Communist" during a past discussion because I didn't believe in the same god as you. Which I thought was silly because I do not have a Communist bone in my body.

I thought that was an interesting insult. Didn't make much sense to me, but interesting nonetheless.

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It must not have been me. I

It must not have been me. I never called anyone a Communist other than Marx, Lenin, and Stalin. What a coincidence though all three Communist, all three Athiest.

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ouch

atheist don't like it when you bring up those guys. They like when you stick to talking about nature and star dust.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

And Hitler was raised as

And Hitler was raised as Catholic. Got a point other than to hide behind cheap, grossly unfair generalizations?

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I think you proved the point.

I think you proved the point. Hitler was a chump compared to the other big atheist in history.

Is it hard to rationalize a failed belief/world view when you have people in history like Hitler? A Darwinist eugenicist who perverted science and religion to murdered millions of people. And if you get over him, right around the corner in the most un free places the world has ever seen like Russia and China all right behind waiving the same flag.

Must be hard, im glad Dr. Paul has no mental correlation to any of those belief systems other than they prove his point of truth principal and liberty. I by now mean am saying every last atheist in the world is like those atheist who murdered millions. But when you have the ability to call a spade a spade it changes the dynamic of the conversation which gives me the ability to say extremism in any belief system is dangerous. It just happens to be that in the 20th century extreme atheism has murdered more people that you can shake a stick at in 30 minutes.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" - Mark Twain

Touche'

Because nobody with a bad stigma attached to their name has EVER been religious.....I guess you've got me there.

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To be a Christian is to be

To be a Christian is to be like Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Christ is no communist.