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I have decided to leave USA b4 the end of the year...destination unknown

I have alot of questions. Where is the liberty-minded, cheap living, and etc....country? I want to go where the government is afraid of the people and not the other way around. I need imput from the Daily Paul people...

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Canada except for health care

Canada except for health care

just, you know, mexico

fred reed

heck, even jesse ventura spends half the year there.

I agree with other posters

that America with all it faults still has a lot going for it.

But if you ever find yourself in Australia send me a message & I will help you in whatever way I can.

We need more free spirited people.....

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

A friend of mine wants to move to Ecuador

We're retired and she has a small business she could run from there. Our husbands are willing to try. The reason we chose Ecuador is because she likes tropical weather, we all need to be on the water (non-negotiable) and we could bring our guns (also non-negotiable). Ocean front property is affordable. Health coverage is good and affordable from what I could find out.

Right now we are just kind of thinking about it. This country has not pissed us off to the point where we are willing to leave our families yet. None of us have children, but my mother is almost 90.

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There are several things to

There are several things to consider in my opinion...

First of which being, you're not likely to escape taxes. The majority of tax free countries are not places any liberty loving person would want to relocate to. There are a small handful of places on the list I saw that could be decent, but further research would probably be necessary. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

Plus, you can't just decide that I am going to move there and then move. If it were only that easy. The immigration process can be pretty rough depending on where you want to go. There are always lots of laws you have to consider and depending on your occupation, the respective government may say that they don't need any persons that have your job and could deny you entry...

I'm an American living in Denmark and I pay a lot of taxes. But to my surprise, I found out that I'm not paying any more in taxes than what I would be paying in the US. I pay 42% in income taxes which really sucks may I add, but in the US I was paying 34% to the feds and 13% to my state. Put that together and I am paying less taxes than a lot of people back home. My point is that looks can be deceiving and research in any place you would want to relocate is a must. Perhaps make a friend with someone who lives in a country where you are considering to move and maybe they can provide you some assistance in your research.

Good luck!

Norway. They are the happiest

Norway. They are the happiest and wealthiest country. Switzerland is a close second.

Not Norway

Norway, as nice of a place as it is, is a nanny state with a high cost of living, not to mention taxes. And if you smoke cigarettes, you can look forward to paying about $10 USD per pack.

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Norway is definitely an

Norway is definitely an expensive place to live. Especially if you have expensive vices such as drinking and smoking. However they are not apart of the EU, they are not apart of the EuroZone, they have an incredibly strong currency which they don't manipulate to keep par with the Euro for ease of trade. The people who live there (I have several Norwegian friends) are very well paid compared to others who have similar career fields in other countries. After they pay their taxes, they still have more money than the rest of us. Plus, their money buys a lot more. There are lots of things to consider as it's not always so black and white when trying to determine a place to relocate.

It's only expensive if you

It's only expensive if you don't have a job there. Like you said they pay well, so the cost of living shouldn't be bad as long as you have a job.

I don't mean to be nitpicky,

but since you used the reference twice I remain confused...

Do you mean to say that Norway is not apart from the EU,

or that Norway is neither part, nor a part, of the EU,

nor is it part or a part of the Eurozone?

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Sorry for being as clear as

Sorry for being as clear as mud. :)

Norway is not in the EU. Norway is not in the EuroZone.

Get out!

I haven't posed on this website in several years, but I wanted to share my thoughts with you.

About 1 year ago Jeff Berkwick wrote this article:

It changed my life. Six months ago I moved to China. I have not felt this free in a long time. There are a lot of sucky things about China. But overall my life is better and my standard of living is higher. I've even met the love of my life (she happens to be from the old USSR, actually).

I got tired of all the talk. "Fight!" "All we have to do is get rid of the Fed and then life will be great!" "Don't you want to stay for the war? We have so many guns!"

Don't be an idiot who gets himself killed in another senseless banker war. Don't stick around for martial law after the next terrorist attack.

Life is too short. I got tired of fighting for the freedom of those who don't care about it. I decided to listen to my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I decided to stop throwing my pearls (time, blood, sweat, toil, and tears) to the swine. I realized it is a waste of life to 'fight for freedom' when it is so easy to find in this world. You don't need to fight for freedom. You are already free. Your acceptance of your slavery is your own choice. Today, choose differently. You only get one life on this earth. While mine belongs to Him, it is on loan to me and to me alone. I don't owe it to anyone. I won't be a slave who fights for freedom for those who choose to continue to enslave me. (Enslave me by voting, by paying taxes, by supporting the system, etc.)

One of the things I am most satisfied with is that I ENDED THE FED. Yes, the Fed still prints money. Yes, blah blah blah. But for me, in my life, the Fed is ended. It is no more for me. I did it single handedly. The only way ending it can be done. Jesus said, "Who's image and printing is on this money?" "Caesar's." "Then give it back to Caesar." You are a slave to the Fed only so long as you let yourself be their slave. Can you be 100% free? Not very easily. But you can become much freer. [Disclaimer: I have some FRNs still, but not too much. And some assets in the US. But if they all disappear tomorrow, it's fine for me. Their money doesn't control me anymore.]

Now my money has comrade Mao on it. I don't think I can end all of the central banks, but I ended the most powerful one. For now, that's good enough. Maybe next year I will end another one.

Like I said, there are lots of problems with China. But you know what? I left America. When I get tired of China (probably within a year I'll be done), I can MOVE ON. Thailand? Chile? Cambodia? Turkey? It's a big, freer, rich and growing rich world.

I believe that the constitution is dead. The republic is dead. They keep celebrating the birthday (July 4) of a dead nation. US citizens are totally messed up in the head (minus people like us) and they refuse to change. Fine. God bless them and theirs. I will my separate peace. Bad times are coming. Maybe I'll go back in a decade. Ron Paul lost. Rand won't win. And even if he did it's too late.

Go. Now. You are already free. Take it.

(If you want more details about China, what I do, what you might be able to do, etc, please feel free to comment on this post. We can email privately. I'd be happy to help you in any way that I can.)

Here's a little pep talk from Minister Farrakhan

There's nowhere to run to escape the banksters. Fight for America.


Anywhere in South/Central America is cheap living

There are ex-pat communities all over. There are a few to avoid, El Salvador and Columbia come to mind, but most are decent places to live.

There might be a fair amount of distrust and hostility in Nicaragua with the amount of covert ops the CIA have run in that area.

Agreed, except...

I wouldn't necessarily avoid Colombia. Of all the countries I've been to in Central/South America it is by far one of my favorite. Nicaragua is great too though a very different feel, and much cheaper than Colombia.

You really can't go wrong in Central America, if you have some savings you can get by for quite a while on quite a little.

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Expatriat Does Not Mean Expatriot

If any DPer wants some particularized feedback on real options, feel free to send me an email. I have a bit of experience on the subject.

Yes, Virginia

there are lots of places on the planet where the local government is weaker and less intrusive than in the US, and you can get a gun (legally? meh...) just in case.

In essence, you are freer to live your life as you see fit in such places than in the USSA. Odd as that sounds. The world's turned upside dow, what else is there to say.

Think small. Chile is being touted by Jeff Berwick right now. Panama. Hong Kong and Singapore - both rank very high in economic freedom, much higher than in the US, with low taxes. I've been to both places and they are more vibrant than almost any American city. Can't chew gum on the street in Sing? Oh boy, if that's your definition of lack of freedom, you need put things in perspective: when a little kid gets mollified for chewing a gun shape out of a Pop Tart in the US, who's more free? - I'll take Sing in that bet any day.

Sure, they might not have a Constitution as noble as ours once was, but look: everyone in the USSA now knows that a copy of our Constitution and $5 will get you a cup of coffee these days.

Dumb move. Over 50% of

Dumb move. Over 50% of privately held firearms on this planet are owned by Americans. When the dollar collapses and the banksters bring in their wars all over the world, why would you want to be anywhere else but here?

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

You forget that ONLY America has her ideology and rights

enshrined in her founding documents. You will find freedom and peace no where else on this planet. Our Declaration of Independence is our Claim of Right - read it! Use it!
If you can't muster the energy to open the eyes in your neighborhood how will you do so in a foreign country? There is no such thing as a 'government' that leaves its people alone. Governments are parasites. The best you can do is go to NH where they at least have the Free State project going.
But the truth is if you don't have peace inside you, if you are restless and unsure, those will follow you wherever you go. The change has to happen within you first. Once you do that, you will find the strength and courage to fight for your right to live free right where you are, in our country. It's not our foundation that's weak, just the building. Keep fortifying our foundation. They can build all the houses of cards over it they want - they'll soon topple.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
James Madison

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America still has a lot going for it and

it is quite difficult living abroad long term where you have to cope with the language barrier on a daily basis.
That being said, if you can get a decent job abroad and you are are still pretty young (under 40), living abroad for a while can be good. It gets harder as you get older in my experience, though. (I just returned to the US after living in Germany for a few years).
But I wouldn't leave the US just because of the problems here. All countries have problems of one kind or another, but it is difficult to help improve things when dealing in a foreign language. You can never fully express yourself. It is better to get involved in a cause you believe in and work to improve your own country and immediate community. A word to the wise...

If you still want to go abroad but aren't that interested in tackling a foreign language, you could go to an English-speaking country like New Zealand. It would be much easier living in a place like NZ long term, I think. Of course it is easier to do if you do not have to work for a living.

live to fight another day

There is one thing i would like to bring up that i have had heard almost no one talk about in this context and that is how chemtrails tie into all of this...before i start getting called a coward and have people say i dont love America let me start by saying i have spent over a decade serving this country (USN), my father served, my uncles have served and both my grandfathers served this country. not one day goes by where i dont have this battle of do i stay or do i go. I have come to my own conclusion that this kickoff will be some sort of NBC attack (nuclear,biological,chemical). If a tac nuke goes off somewhere inside the US imagine how people would react, especially if someone outside the US is supposedly claiming responsibility.People would BEG for the gov to save them, but what if they were the perpetrators. Nato,UN,or foreign troops would be hailed as our saviours because they came to help. as far as chemtrails goes i think all they would have to do is change the chemical mixture and one night alot of us (not just in the u.s.) would go to sleep and never wake up, if we are that lucky as to not suffer before we go.I think what we see now is testing. i really believe chemtrails is going to tie into this bigtime! Maybe they will make it look like some accident or maybe it will be in plain sight. But i have a gut feeling the initial attack will be so devastating that several millions will probably die within the first 24-48hrs. whatever is left over they will send in the mop up crews. they already know which houses to go to first. I have always had a hard time believing the Gov would engage us in a door to door fight, why would they with the types of weapons they have.i hate to say it but they are way too smart for that. If something that catastrophic as a NBC attack happens, you can bet your ass they will be dovetailing in the financial crash and world government into this in one fatal swoop. my collection of pop guns and training will do little against what i believe they will be hitting us with, although i am still vigilant i just want to survive the initial attack because then is when the party starts. Just my 2 cents.

“Let us not look back in anger, nor forward in fear, but around us in awareness.” ~James Thurber

Exactly why we prepare... to fight

I'm not giving up that easily.

And really, isn't leaving the country because of the very slim possibility of a WMD attack, just a bit of a fear based over-reaction? Unless you have good reason (knowledge) to suspect a major catastrophe in the near future, I think the clearest danger is the ever-encroaching totalitarian globalist state. America, though infiltrated, is still the greatest stronghold for individual freedom left in the world. It is worth the risk to stay and fight for.

Good luck.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Move to Detroit

Perfect opportunity to take a city.

Why leave when you could be a

Why leave when you could be a valuable figure in restoring the republic? Be the change that you seek, I think Ghandi said that.

You got me good with...

Ghandi own words...he is soooo greatly missed!

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

Thanks everyone for the input...

alot to sort through to make the right decision on the right location...:)

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

I did a search for "Chile Gun Laws."

It's a letter describing the process of purchasing a shotgun, registering, passing a test at the gun shop, and a test in front of a Chilean Army person, oh yeah, and a home inspection by the police!


On the flip side, the process was very cheap, and there are positive notes regarding ease of transport of ammo through airports.

chile is good. also, some of

chile is good. also, some of the asian countries like vietnam, thailand, etc. ultimately, tho i think america has the best chance of having anarchy assuming we can get the fed abolished. i dont really see the other countries becoming anarchist, except maybe chile.

f___ all forms of govt.

believe it or not...

Estonia is a country you cannot overlook. Do some research. I've heard very good things from natives.

Unlearning and self-teaching since 2008. Thanks, Dr. Paul!