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I have decided to leave USA b4 the end of the year...destination unknown

I have alot of questions. Where is the liberty-minded, cheap living, and etc....country? I want to go where the government is afraid of the people and not the other way around. I need imput from the Daily Paul people...

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I have no problem with Americans living abroad...

I have problems with Americans running away to some foreign country because they fear the necessary fight which is coming to defend and restore Liberty to our great nation.

What happened to the blood of patriots and tyrants? I guess if you're wealthy enough it is supposed to be someone else's blood.

I don't have the money or resources to run away, but if I did, I wouldn't.

If it is just about broadening horizons or whatever, that's awesome. But to recognize the situation America is in, and to run from it, that is just cowardice, & self-preservation, at the cost of freedom for yourself and your fellow man.

No offense, nothing personal, but that's my humble opinion and I strongly feel that way.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

tell that

to the people who escaped germany under the nazis, or who just saw the writing on the wall.

no offense, or anything personal here either.

It became NAZI Germany because too many good people did nothing!

There were a bunch of cowards in Europe that let the Nazis takeover. And Germany never had the history and tradition of individual freedom that America has.

Besides, it won't just be America that falls, if America falls...
Where will anyone be safe from the globalists? South America? They just force-landed the Bolivian President's plane! The fight is now and I say if you leave you are a sunshine-patriot.

We the People still have plenty of Power in America today...

We just haven't exercised it, yet.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

you forget hitler was loved by the germans

and sorry, but i'm not prepared to call these people cowards

ludwig von mises wife wrote a good book which includes the story of their escape.

i just think you're painting with too broad a stroke in your labeling
of folks who prefer to leave.

Hitler loved by Germans? Not really... 33% of vote

His own regime tried to assassinate him. You yourself just made the point that people fled the Reich in droves.

I'm not calling those who were able to get out once the extermination started cowards. I'm calling those who let it get to that point cowards. And there were those who fought, too. I'm obviously not talking about those individuals.

This is a different situation in America today. To try to make it a direct comparison is wrong.

We know what is coming. We have history, and what happened in Germany, as hindsight. We can still prevent it. Prevent worse.

If you flee NOW, that is cowardice, really. You are not in that great a risk of direct harm to you or your family... yet.

If more patriots are gone, then it may come too that.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

a common mistake

they LOVED him. of course not those who were being persecuted, rounded up, murdered.
In America, we forget that Hitler’s rise to power was rooted in his ability to win the votes of the people who saw him as their savior — the only hope of alleviating their suffering. Hitler’s power did not come from force or fear, but from the consent of the masses who put their faith in his government.

i believe in freedom and that includes leaving the country you live in. if you want to label people for doing so, that's your business.

i don't have any plans of leaving, but i know some very good people who have decided to, and i do not think any less of them.

a common mistake...Please.... just like we all love Obama right?

again... 33% of the vote he received.

People feared him. They did not love him.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

who is this "we" you are referring to?

before long they practically worshiped him, but
eventually they did fear him.
speaking of old adolph a friend told me about these photos the other day.
quite stunning and interesting that he hated them:

Hitler's party gained a shocking victory in the Reichstag, obtaining 107 seats (18.3%, 6,406,397 votes). The Nazis became the second largest party in Germany. In Bavaria the party gained 17.9% of the vote, though for the first time this percentage was exceeded by most other provinces.

An unprecedented amount of money was thrown behind the campaign. Well over one million pamphlets were produced and distributed; sixty trucks were commandeered for use in Berlin alone. In areas where NSDAP campaigning was less rigorous, the total was as low as 9%. The Great Depression was also a factor in Hitler's electoral success.

and the 33% you keep repeating. you fail to mention that it was more than any other party, and afterwards his meteoric rise in popularity.

The party's rise to power was rapid. Before the economic depression struck, the Nazis were practically unknown, winning only 3 percent of the vote to the Reichstag (German parliament) in elections in 1924. In the 1932 elections, the Nazis won 33 percent of the votes, more than any other party. In January 1933 Hitler was appointed chancellor, the head of the German government, and many Germans believed that they had found a savior for their nation.
-holocaust memorial museum

"We" the People of the United States... DO NOT all love Obama

and Obama got a lot more votes and much greater percentage of the vote than Hitler.

Someone like you will believe some left-wing newspaper clipping 50 years from now that'll say that, "The American people LOVED Obama, Bush, etc...).

That was my point. Is that clear enough?

I'm really not sure what your whole point is and why you care about Hitler's popularity so much but it seems like your trying to strongly defend abandoning the United States in her greatest time of need and advocating the popularity of Hitler.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

last word

you don't need that all inclusive "we" in your header. the people of germany did not ALL love hitler either. on that we agree. "someone like you" is insulting if you're trying to have a civil exchange, but you probably already know that. i don't care about hitler's popularity, but i do care about facts. to try and argue that he wasn't really popular is silly, or obama for that matter, of course popularity rises and falls and i'm pleased obama's is presently low, but alas that does not effect his power and influence. if i was trying to strongly defend something then it wouldn't "seems like" it would be obvious. as i stated before i am for freedom, and that includes the freedom to live in another country for whatever reason the person choses to do so. is that clear enough? you call some of those people cowards, that's your opinion, but on that point we disagree, and to me it's only another twist on the old "if you don't love america, then leave". the govt is not america and america is not the govt. now seriously lawman, don't you think we've been around this mulberry bush enough? we've both had our say, and then some. we probably agree on a lot more than we disagree or we wouldn't be on this forum, but please, feel free to have the last word.

How about standing on your Liberty principles & help us fight..

the coming New World Order?!

America = the last best hope for mankind

You think if America falls there is going to be anywhere safe for you and/or your family?

It's not called the New WORLD Order for nothing!

Seriously, Australia, New Zealand, people have said... They already had their guns confiscated.

Just because you know how bad it is getting America doesn't mean you know how bad it IS in other countries.

If you are trying to stay living a cushy, comfortable life with your money remaining worth what it is now, well, you can likely forget it.

Prepare to become self-reliant and be willing to do the work it will take to accomplish and maintain that independence, and then you can keep a good amount of that good life. But prepare to help the rest of US regain our country back.

If the USA falls, the World falls, to the New World Order.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I've lived in SE Asia, Africa and central America

I can tell you right now the freest place is still the US, despite all the BS that has been going on lately.

In pretty much all other countries, if you can even own a gun it is considered a privilege not a right. This includes places like Panama and other popular US expat locations in Central-South America. Many people will mention Switzerland, but there are many misconceptions about gun laws there. They are not as free as everyone seems to think.

Not that owning fire arms is the only freedom you should care about, but gun laws are a decent barometer as to how free a country is I have found and the rest of the world is very much tyrannical in this area.

Sure wish I knew. The only place I can think of right now is

the airport in Russia where Edward Snowden is currently living.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

Your comment was funny Nonna, made me laugh.

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I wasn't joking. It's the NJ (northeast) "attitude" showing.

That was the only place I could think of that met the criteria the OP posted. I've been told about several Central and South American countries but, remain unconvinced and wouldn't want to steer anyone in the wrong direction.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox

transit zone

yeah - go live in the transit zone in the Moscow airport - seems to be quite the destination as of late!

if you like

warm, exotic places with great cuisine, low prices, much less stress and wonderful people i recommend s.e. asia, mexico or north africa.

South or Central America

would be good options. I applaud your initiative. The cost of living is fairly cheap and people could get along very well with around $1000 a month. Obviously, this varies from country to country, and also within the different cities as well. There is no country in the world where government isn't abusing the people's rights. The main goal we should have at this critical point, is preparing to become self-sufficient. I live in El Salvador, but I am selling my home in order to move to the country. I already have some land and I am cultivating corn and other things that are essential to survival. People need to start being realistic and accept the fact that government is functioning as planned - to enslave and destroy the middle class. There is no way to fix this, but instead we need to be worried about speaking the truth and focusing on taking care of our family. Class warfare is something that has never ceased to exist. The rich are in collusion with the government in order to maintain the status quo, and to continue to tighten their strangle hold on commerce, laws, banking, etc. Wake up people, the same power controls the Democrats and Republicans - stop playing their game. If you would like to contact me, please let me know, and it will be my pleasure in providing you with as much information as possible.

God Bless,

In all seriousness

I believe that the best course of action is to stay here and fight it out. Even as bad as things seem here we still have a lot that the rest of the world doesn't have. Liberty is the exception not the rule in this world and the rest of the world isn't that great... not that we are. At least we have the means to change things.


We have a winner!

God bless your family, TINS.

Running away from your problems never solved anything, OP.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.


Staying and fighting a losing battle won't solve anything either...

How can We possibly lose

when we have 192 million people between the ages of 18 and 65?

I truly believe that if even HALF that number took to the streets, we would see reform tomorrow. TO-morrow.

You think the police can hold 192 million people back?
You think the military will drop bombs on it's own?

Taking back our Republic is as easy as counting. 1-2-3-4-[...]93,326,512, 93,326,513.

I think you get the point. I just hope it sticks.

If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.

"You think the military will drop bombs on it's own?"

It is not too much of a stretch to think they could within a few years, as soldiers with a conscience are driven out of the ranks, or a system of actively seeking out those who have no conscience or creating those who have no conscience becomes the norm.

However, on the main point about staying and fighting: Stand and fight! There are a lot of bright spots on the horizon. I am no worshiper of Rand Paul, but he would practically be forced to choose someone like Justin Amash as his running mate to appease the liberty movement. Think about it, after eight years of moving partially in a liberty direction, we get the real thing! The audience for our ideas is going to grow and grow and grow, even if our political leadership is flawed and impure.

There is no place in the world with the history and tradition of liberty that the USA has had. Those seeds are no longer dormant. They are sprouting and growing.

Hang in there.

Many 'so-called' patriots here...

...many whom are apparently foreigners anyway.....

...are too busy planning their trips to run away and live another day, rather than stand and fight like our Founding Fathers.

However, you can count me among your numbers.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Then just go....

If you don't think the US is worth fighting for, then maybe you're not worth having here?

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?


to break it to you, but we are losing and even we start winning, they will just rig the voting machine. Our Government is too powerful. I just don't see us winning. I really want to win but I lost so much confidence when Ron Paul lost. He was the best option America will ever see. And once Obama Care comes in, we are DOOMED.

Wah, Wah, Wah


Isn't your screen name "Liberty or Death"?

Guess you don't really stand by that.

More like... "Liberty or I'm outta here"

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I clearly stated

that I don't have the money to travel so I am stuck here. So yes, It is liberty Or Death.

And what makes you think Liberty Or Death doesn't mean worldwide?

To have a chance at winning

you gotta make a stand...

Look for a country where

they also speak English. Gotta be able to find a job and sustain yourself. Welcome to Hong Kong!

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