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DP Poll: Who Was Our Best President?

My choices to consider:

George Washington: "Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. "

Thomas Jefferson: "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

James Madison: "Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.......No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

Calvin Coolidge: "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business."



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The Best President? How About the Worst President?

Presidential service can be measured in political shades of gray, not all dark (bad) verses all light (good). You can state that some positive milestones happened under a president's administration as well as some negative events.

But when a man who is appointed by the people in official capacity as president, believes in a flawed ideology of governance and uses freedom and equality as his personal fasces to put into practice wanton and numerous acts of perdition against those who entrusted him with such defined authority that results in the decimation of lives and property on a massive scale to effect such political objectives, then such a man must be condemned as a charlatan of representative government, a purveyor of lies, deceit and treachery.

A president who make war on his own people is a psychopath of evil. There can be no justification to destroy the commerce of a principal region of the nation, kill its people, and leave it in chaos and ruin.

Abraham Lincoln established a thralldom during the reconstruction of the southern states of America. The pretense of ending slavery masked the agenda of unbridled servitude to a monstrous federal government. Lincoln created a new classification of American slavery.

History is cyclical in nature, it repeats itself over and over throughout the chronology of human existence. We are contemporary witnesses to the growing strangulation of financial debt, the media’s distortion of the truth and the starvation of the people’s will to be free and unfettered. We elect to put ourselves and our children into oppressive bondage. We continue to participate in the charade of “fair” elections.

If we don’t want another Lincoln, another Wilson, another FDR, another Truman, another Bush ’41, ’43, Clinton, Obama, etc., then stop giving credibility to this corrupt system. Other may continue proselytizing the farce: hoping, praying, exalting their candidate of choice. The correct course of action is no action, unequivocally, “none of the above”.

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Eisenhower is my #1, Jackson is my #2

Andrew Jackson is my favorite President and I would consider him the greatest if not for his role in the trail of tears.

I think Eisenhower's farewell speech makes him our greatest President. He was a brave man.

The individual who refuses to defend his rights when called by his Government, deserves to be a slave, and must be punished as an enemy of his country and friend to her foe. - Andrew Jackson

My pick is still Jackson.

Jackson was caught between a rock (States Rights) and a hard place (Compact of 1802).

It was Thomas Jefferson, who set up the removal of the Indians with the Compact of 1802, then gold speculators who put pressure on the states, namely Georgia, to have the Compact enforced.

It's a sad story, but Jackson stood for States Rights, even if the state happened to be morally bereft, and in the interest of states rights, influenced the Cherokee to sign the removal treaty. In my opinion, for the time, his was an attempt at as peaceful a resolution as could be elicited from a very volatile mixture of circumstances, which was probably destined to turn ugly in any course.

Further, Martin Van Buren could have denied the states access to the armed forces that actually enforced the treaty, burned out and relocated the tribes, so it's not entirely fair to place this on Jackson.

In both modern parties

Andrew Jackson for the Democrats, Calvin Coolidge for the Republicans.

His name is Edward Snowden

What is Capitalism?
http://youtu.be/yNF09pUPypw

William Howard

Taft

It was a joke

Hopefully, the up votes recognized such. I expected to get hammered right away by someone here.

Taft was the beginning of American Imperialism!!

I'll at least credit Taft for

I'll at least credit Taft for not succumbing to the Federal Reserve.

The bankers had to run a 3rd party candidate in order to split the vote in order to bring in Woodrow Wilson (worst prez ever!).

No doubt in my mind: George Washngton...

But I sure love that quote above by Calvin Coolidge.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

I liked George Washington as

I liked George Washington as a general and for not excepting the crown proposed by Hamilton.

But GW allowed the central bank and favored Hamilton over Jefferson.
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Yes, Hamilton had a lot wrong, but

Remember that before him, all the examples to work with were mercantilism. There was no Austrian school of economics. If one really looks at it in comparison to what went before, it was a step in a reasonable direction. As much as I love to hate Hamilton(mainly for his later military ambitions), I am not sure there would have been modern Austrian economics if he had followed the likes of the mercantilists before him; they would not have had the American example to use.

There are some 8 others, but

There are some 8 others, but my choice is John Hancock of Massachusetts. He signed the Declaration of Independance, was president of the Massachusetts Provinchal Congress, presided over the Second Continental Congress, and became the 5th president under the Articals of Confederation.

Seems like a vigerous supporter of liberty to me, before the likes of Hamilton and his British banking friends came along.

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Cleveland!

Grover, that is.

Ron Paul got that one right.

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

Never undersrood why

people like cleveland. He was responsible for starting the first of the interventionist wars as well as giving the central bankers deep influence within Foreign relations. He was a lawyer for Morgans railroads, and close friends with all the banking elite. This is one guy I think your all wrong about.

Are you sure you are thinking of Cleveland?

What war? He was resolutely non-interventionist during both terms. As for giving influence to central bankers, well that was impossible because at the time there was no central bank.

Please elaborate. And while you are at it, edit the Wikipedia article, which contains none of these allegations. (The editors will require citations.)

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"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

I'm glad someone asked

and yes I'm sure of my conviction on Cleveland.

All my accusations are stated in Murray Rothbards book (which you can get free on mises.org) "Bankers, Wallstreet, and American Foreign Policy"; I think under the chapter on the Morgans.

I used this info in a Foreign policy paper i wrote as a marker for when The U.S truly abandoned it's policy of non-intervention and that came under the Cleveland administration. He used the navy for a bunch of proxy banker wars down in the carribean and southern america for trade territory/ advantages, he nearly started another war with GB as they were their territories. He lined his cabinet with the people responsible for putting him in office, the Morgans; and he gave them deep influence with Foreign Policcy decisions.

Cleveland was absolutely not someone anyone should hold in high regards especillay around here, not sure where that non-interventionist title comes from because his actions represent the exact opposite. He started what the U.S has become today, an Oligarchic Empire.

correct answer

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Lincoln was surely top 3

He managed many generals and absorbed criticism from 100 different directions. There is no one else who would have kept the united states together in that lifespan. He was a wordsmith above any other president, a true artist. Forget about the war on terrorism, there is such a thing called "war" and the civil war was a truly bloody one.

_lincoln_? But surely you jest.

-Instituted the draft.

-Suspended Habeas Corpus.

-Started the Income tax.

-The only world leader to wage civil war against his people to end slavery costing 600,000 US lives, crippling the U.S. for 50 years.

-He didn't even spend the Senate appropriation money to start sending negroes back to Central America, the Caribbean and coastal Africa.

-It would have taken 1000 ships two years to do it.
He could have started incrementally and economically by purchasing slaves at the auctions for the least amount of money.

-He invented the pork barrel project by stuffing taxpayer money into the Illinois canals at the same time the railroads were coming through.

I've got Lincoln in the bottom 10 worst Presidents.

Ron Paul has strong thoughts about him and the Civil War.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/strange-true-ron-paul-thinks-ame...

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Add to that, that he

Add to that, that he illeagally invaded an American state which initiated the war. This makes the war an international war not a Civil War.

Members of the American union are states, or countries and nationalities, in the same fassion that the members of the European Union are indevidual sovereign states or countries and nationalities.

The United States was never a true state, because it had no population or nationality, and owed its existence to the consent of the American states in union. It wasn't until the 14th Amendment was forced down everyone's throats, which disenfranchised state nationals and forcibly imopsed "federal" nationality upon all the peoples of the states, that the US could remotely be called a state.

Rebellion can only exist within a state. The Constitution allows for federal assistance in the case of rebellion within a state. The Southen states had no condition of rebellion within them. Therefore, Lincoln's invasion of the Southern states was an illeagal act of unprovolked agression.

Lastly, at least for now, Lincoln's executive order #1 to call together a rump Congerss was an equally unlawful act, as the moment that the Southern states seceded from the Union, the Union ceased to exist. This means that even Lincoln's own office ceased to exist, possibly even before he took office.

This makes Lincoln the first "de facto" president in the succeding line of "de facto" presidents.

So I guess the question remains: which of these liars and userpers, "rulers" if you will, do you like the best? Put another way, which of your prison wardens are you most fond of?

~ Engage in the war of attrition: http://pacalliance.us/redamendment/

Jeffrey Rogers Hummel

The great historian Jeffrey Rogers Hummel argues, I think quite convincingly, that Martin Van Buren was America's greatest president.

http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_04_2_hummel.pdf

unless you were a black or

unless you were a black or Indian. Van Buren sent the Cherokee Indians out on their trail of tears. He tried to get the blacks on the Amistad sent back to Cuba.

He also started the first permanent large bureaucracy in Washington DC.

He did not use the veto to stop bigger government.

His handling of the Panic of 1837 is nothing to write home about.

And he did not come close to getting re-elected back in the days when voters were well informed and still steeped in the principles of the Founders.

The best president was James Madison, followed by JFK, then Jefferson, Monroe, Washington , and Jackson.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

I would credit Jackson with the Trail of Tears.

Not Van Buren.

My vote is for Calvin

My vote is for Calvin Coolidge. He didn't do a damn thing. We sure could use a president like that again.

Recent: Reagan and Kennedy (but past presidents were far better)

(so this isn't saying much) Kennedy for wanting to End the Fed and end interventionism (These may have been the reasons there was a successful attempt on his life)

Reagan for attempting the same as a Republican, (thus inviting an unsuccessful attempt on his life) and for the small government 'Reagan Revolution' which set the stage for many of us older 'Ron Paul Revolutionaries'.
*(note- neither were CFR members, DYOC)

Past:
Jefferson for cutting the budget across the board,(thus reducing the debt) supporting the rights of small farmers, and keeping us out of the European wars.

Madison helped frame the 'Bill of Rights.'

Cleveland used veto power liberally, and fought for the rights of business owners.

Tyler vetoed the attempt by Congress to recreate the national bank, made it easier for citizens to purchase vacant land, and supported states rights over the central government.

(My children support my assertions, but they differ on Jefferson)

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Might I suggest a good read for those interested

in learning a bit more about our Presidents from a Liberty perspective, Recarving Rushmore - Ranking the Presidents on Peace, Prosperity, and Liberty.

Ron Paul even has a blurb on the back cover and I found it quite an intriguing read.

Banking..

Is such a powerful 'thing'.

Any president who ever stood up to the banks was either killed or an attempt on his life was made.

If you follow all the corruption in government, it always leads to the banks. Always.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Washington

Resisting the temptation of power and handing the reigns to someone else are the reason why.

Man rarely lets go of power. Look at the history of the world. What Washington did was incredible. Even the King of England couldn't believe it.

His leadership paved the way.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

JFK - New Assassination Clip with 4 missing frames added back in

GRAPHIC!

http://www.eyeontheeye.com

His secret society speech is epic.

wondering

if anyone can get one frame at a time and post each frame in sequence. like photos?

It's time! Rand Paul 2016!

"Truth, Justice, and the American Way!"