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DP Poll: Who Was Our Best President?

My choices to consider:

George Washington: "Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations; cultivate peace and harmony with all. "

Thomas Jefferson: "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."

James Madison: "Of all the enemies of true liberty, war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other.......No nation can preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."

Calvin Coolidge: "Perhaps one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business."




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All the

dead ones.

First, Harrison, because, as

First, Harrison, because, as someone already noted, he died after only a few days in office.

But the best one, hands down, has to be Martin van Buren. A Jacksonian, van Buren worked to try and end ALL government affiliation with the banking system. Most noble however was his refusal to be pressured into war with both England AND Mexico. He worked his damnedest to diplomatically avoid conflict even when his own party threatened to destroy him for doing so, and they did. His successor went on to give them the war they wanted.

His successor is the guy who died after a few days in office.

I don't think Harrison had much time to give anyone what they wanted.

True I gave the impression I

True I gave the impression I was referring to Harrison. Polk was obviously the dude I was referring to, he being a democrat and all, like Van Buren.

The pressure Van Buren was under was to recognize Texas' independence from Mexico and annex them, which he refused to do as Mexico made it clear it would lead to war. This is one thing among several that I think make him the greatest president if one had to choose one.

The brilliant historian Jeffrey Rogers Hummel wrote a great article breaking it down quite convincingly.
http://www.independent.org/pdf/tir/tir_04_2_hummel.pdf

OK I see

Didn't Van Buren leave the democratic party?

hrmm

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Andrew Jackson

Hands down. His fight against the Second Bank of the United States puts him in FIRST PLACE.

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You have to be joking.

You have to be joking. Killing the bank was his one great act, no doubt, but your talking about a president who was willing to go to war with South Carolina over the tariff of abominations. He dramatically expanded the role of the executive in unprecedented ways.

not only that

He sure killed himself a lot of Injuns.

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

Too many using the central bank as their ONLY

measure of greatness.
While it is very important, it's not the only thing to look at.

"Give me control of nation's

"Give me control of nation's currency and I care not what laws they pass."
-Rothschild...or was it Rockefellar?

Post Civil War, this is more challenging...

Grover Cleveland Democrat. Heavy Veto pen, believed in free markets and sound money, had to be overridden by congress after vetoeing the anexxation of Hawaii, Non interventionist foreign policy.

Calvin Coolidge Republican. Decent economic philosophy, one of few presidents to lower taxes, Heavy Heavy veto Pen, was quiet and didnt dictate to people.

There are some noteable mentions, and some presidents did bad or dumb things but also did good things.

Heres my top worst (post civil war and not including Obama and Bush)
- Teddy Roosevelt, Republican
- FDR, Democrat
- LBJ, D
- Woodrow Wilson, D
- Jimmy Carter, D

Some folks could have been the best presidents and never made it. Just a few, sure the list goes on and on.
- Goldwater
- Robert Taft
- Ron Paul

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Of recent memory....

JFK.. Tho I wasn't alive while he was... I remember the red ink bills... when I learned the reason why... mind.blown.

Factions of our own government killed him... which could only mean he was the biggest threat to them... and our biggest ally

You make a good point

JFK was enough of a threat that they murdered him. If another President posed as much a threat, they would have murdered him, too. I think the short list of greatest has to include the assassinated Presidents.

Obama

For starting the brush fires of liberty, and it's spreading no matter what he does. He has started a liberty revival unintentionally. ;)

What you said

He's the best thing that could have happened to this sleeping, apathetic giant.

But on the good side of the token,

George Washington is my real favorite. :)

There was a good side?

Love when he marched troops on the citizens of Pittsburgh to force them to pay Whisky Tax at the barrel of a gun.

They were all the best. America - love it or leave it.

But all things considered, I'd have to say William Henry Harrison. He had the common courtesy to die almost immediately.

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Ron Paul...

Will ALWAYS be my President.

When government fears the people.......

There is no evidence that Jefferson ever said that. I'm surprised Judge Nap keeps repeating it.

Leges sine moribus vanae

Down votes?

If you can cite a source for this quote, I would be pleased.

Leges sine moribus vanae

The Jefferson Monticello

researched the quote and all of its variants, and has found no evidence Jefferson said or wrote it.

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when-government-fea...

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You appear to be correct...

"This quotation is vaguely similar to Jefferson's comment in an 1825 letter to William Short: 'Some are whigs, liberals, democrats, call them what you please. Others are tories, serviles, aristocrats, &c. The latter fear the people, and wish to transfer all power to the higher classes of society; the former consider the people as the safest depository of power in the last resort; they cherish them therefore, and wish to leave in them all the powers to the exercise of which they are competent.'[5] To date however, the most likely source of this quotation appears to be a series of debates on socialism published in 1914, in which John Basil Barnhill said, 'Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.' "

http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/when-government-fea...

If you can cite a source

for WHO did, I would be pleased.

JFK

Easily JFK. He got killed for standing up to the tyrants that run this country.

Grover Cleveland

Grover Cleveland is my choice for number one. He was vocal and serious in his opposition to pork and was also a believer and strengthener of the gold standard. I also believe (though I am not 100% certain) that Ron has said at some point Cleveland is the president that he most admires.

My vote for the worst is a tie between Lincoln and FDR with Johnson and Wilson as very close runners up. I am still amazed by how some people seem genuinely offended at the suggestion that Ol' Honest Abe may not have been a very good president, despite what they learned in public school.

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All kidding aside..I would say Jefferson, Jackson and Grover Cleveland..

Which Jefferson :)

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