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80% Of US Adults Are Near Poverty, Rely On Welfare, Or Are Unemployed

Via ZeroHedge:

Despite consumer confidence at a six-year high, the latest AP survey of the real America shows a stunning four out of five U.S. adults struggle with joblessness, are near poverty, or rely on welfare for at least parts of their lives amid signs of deteriorating economic security and an elusive American dream. Hardship is particularly on the rise among whites, based on several measures. Pessimism among whites about their families' economic futures has climbed to the highest point since at least 1987.

"Poverty is no longer an issue of 'them', it's an issue of 'us'," as 'the invisible poor' - lower income whites - are generally dispersed in suburbs (Appalachia, the industrial Midwest, and across America's heartland, from Missouri, Arkansas and Oklahoma up through the Great Plains) where more than 60% of the poor are white.

More than 19 million whites fall below the poverty line of $23,021 for a family of four - accounting for more than 41% of the nation's destitute - nearly double the number of poor blacks and as one survey respondent noted "I think it's going to get worse."

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I know that's true...

...I'm one of them.

And by the way - I blame the government squarely for my company finally going bankrupt.

"We have allowed our nation to be over-taxed, over-regulated, and overrun by bureaucrats. The founders would be ashamed of us for what we are putting up with."
-Ron Paul

Depends on your definition of Adult

Adults don't spend all their income making payments on crap they don't really need.

If the TV tells you what you NEED you are not an adult.

But I LOVE my Macbook.

Hey, nobody's perfect.

And yet, most own cars

Most have food, medicine, clothes, cell phones, most have what billions of people don't have and no way to even get.

Maybe the poverty level needs to be reduced from $23K?

Maybe we should be counting blessings rather than sizing up what the rich and famous have and comparing ourselves to them?

The photograph reminded me of touring with the Grateful Dead, we lived in tents and lived from show to show, and we were HAPPY.

Sure beat being strapped to bills and taxes and insurance.

Under 20K

We live on under 20k after taxes.We have a car..we bought it used..it now has over 250k miles on it...we have food..Im a smart shopper and use coupons when I can...We pay rent..we have internet..but we got a good deal on it. And because our deadbeat ex son-in-law ''babysits' the kids..and has no job..we help our daughter out all the time.
You can be poor and have things..It just depends on where you go to get them.
We know what homelessness is like. He works hard to earn a paycheck, and I work hard to make it pay all we need to pay. So yeah..the poor is growing. We see people like us, who have more than us, and who have less than us, making it everyday and thanking God for what they have.
I'd love to see anyone in government live like we do for 1 month..Wouldnt you?

I believe in Hope & Change..I Hope the government will Change
Spindale-Rutherford County-North Carolina

YES!!! Absolutely YES I WOULD

And I admit, I would LOVE to see humble elected take offices and be part of the people, not above the people. Our city manage makes $136K annually to destroy the city. YES, she is one that I would like to see get a whopping reduction.. because to me, she's not even worth $13K.

Living in a tent might be fun

Living in a tent might be fun for the duration of a Grateful Dead concert but it gets old real, real fast.

You can't eat a cell phone. Even Africans with $800 a year incomes have them, that doesn't mean they aren't poor. And people living in tents can't afford health care. I think you'll find that many of those living in tents have had their cars repossessed, while the remainder need their worn down beaters to get to whatever low wage job they can find.

Ever been to a dead show?

They last three days, and we toured for months. There was a spring/Summer tour and a Fall/Winter tour. I really think the searing heat in Summer was worse than the cold rain and snow. The funny part was in the heat, the marshmellow wars.. those marshmellows melted on impact, and it was a gooey mess, especially tangled un in long hair (think that's how the dred fashion hit us).

We did have rock med.. volunteer doctors.. used to see people lined up, again that heat.. people dosed on acid and lined up around the stadium, from heat dtroke, goggling because of their trup.. and some absolutely freaked out from bad trips, and people taking off all their cloithes and running and then falling.. ouch! Face plants from doing balloons of nitrious.. yeah we had our health issues.. STDs, I can go on.

As someone who has worked at a soup kitchen for years, I know, many of these people chose this life.. and those who don't find the help they need, and some, like myself, wind up doing very well.

Political activism + permaculture= new tribalism

Since the current economic system does not work for these people, I think it is time for them to think outside the box and consider forming some sort of tribal-ish community. I bet the people in tent cities get to know one another quickly. Hopefully its not like big-house neighborhoods where nobody knows anyone else. Liberty activists and permaculture activists need to organize and reach out to these tent city people and start organizing on a community level. If you could get just a few people to produce a commodity, such as food, I think it could lay the foundation to turn a depressing tent city occupied by the "unemployed" into a community-villiage inhabited by modern pioneers of alternative economic social structure. Tribalism with a capitalist free market.

Political science-oriented people should think of a way to frame the idea that instead of trying to get a job, get back into the current economic system and start paying bills, the unemployed should take an entrepreneurial approach to organize on a community level to produce commodities. They're already living in a tent city so I think it would be interesting to try to make it a tent-villiage. Permaculture activists could have a field day with all the people who need work. First the idea has to be framed practically and expressed efficiently.

Does anybody else think this could be possible?

Sure it's possible

I will probably become necessary as the economy stops creating real jobs. A very interesting movie was made in the Thirties about this idea.
"Our Daily Bread" 1934

Thread About Poor America?

There is an Afterburner for that:


I recently found these on Youtube after i saw his video on the Trayvon case.

I really like his videos. check them out sometime.

...for at least parts of their lives

So what? Just means 80% of people will experience a hard time in their life. Not conclusively indicative of anything.

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The ptb hide this very well.

Many Americans have been living from "paycheck to paycheck" for a long, very long time. For years, Americans have only been one paycheck away from hard times.

80%? That is probably right.

They/we are there now (upon very hard times) but it is still hidden.

It will stay hidden, too, until the final collapse.


its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

I lost

my a job a year ago. Haven't found one since.


wait, I did find one but they offered me 10 hours a week that basically paid for my gas to get there.

Does anyone else think that

Does anyone else think that making tents will always be a booming market because of that picture?
Heck, there might be some money to be made if someone were to go around offering to fix them.

Yea, the above says at some point in their lives. Not 80% all the time. So the figure at any given point in time is going to be lower than 80%. Being conservative, I would put the number at 30-40% though, which still isnt good.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

The poverty rate of $23,000 for a family of four is a joke.

I am a family of one and can't afford to live on $23,000. The people who figure out the poverty rate obviously earn a lot more than $23,000 and have no clue to the true cost of living.

Thanks for posting this important article.

Oh, pooh...

...I'll bet you haven't eaten dandelions all summer.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

No thanks. I'll let you eat all the pooh and dandelions.

But one of the two meals I eat a day consists of an apple. People like you prefer to eat "pooh".


The cost of 'health care' alone for a family of four is $23,000.