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NYT Front Page: Momentum Builds Against N.S.A. Surveillance

[NY Times] WASHINGTON — The movement to crack down on government surveillance started with an odd couple from Michigan, Representatives Justin Amash, a young libertarian Republican known even to his friends as “chief wing nut,” and John Conyers Jr., an elder of the liberal left in his 25th House term.

But what began on the political fringes only a week ago has built a momentum that even critics say may be unstoppable, drawing support from Republican and Democratic leaders, attracting moderates in both parties and pulling in some of the most respected voices on national security in the House.

The rapidly shifting politics were reflected clearly in the House on Wednesday, when a plan to defund the National Security Agency’s telephone data collection program fell just seven votes short of passage. Now, after initially signaling that they were comfortable with the scope of the N.S.A.’s collection of Americans’ phone and Internet activities, but not their content, revealed last month by Edward J. Snowden, lawmakers are showing an increasing willingness to use legislation to curb those actions.

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I don't care if another

I don't care if another Boston Marathon type bombing happens again. The alphabet soup agencies proved they can't do anything about it. Besides, if it happens again in one of the 50 states, people in the other 49 states can still go about their daily business without much fear of it happening to them. You'll still have a better chance of being struck by lightning.

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Ashley Scott
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I am solidly Democrat and liberal, and have been a staunch Obama supporter -- up until now. This out-of-control NSA surveillance has to be reined in. Obama has shown his true mettle (or lack thereof) with respect to these NSA programs, and I now see even more clearly why Wall Street was never reined in: Obama is a patsy for Power. If only the libertarians espoused social safety nets and concern for the downtrodden (which of course they never will), I would happily join their cause. The libertarians are the only sane, clear voices today with respect to our endless wars and needless international meddling -- and our constitutional rights.

***Nice to see a left wing view of our movement. Our message is certainly penetrating. Keep on sharing and building bridges, we are winning!

Social safety net

Social safety net accommodations are addressed by civil libertarians. We'll cut MIC foreign expenditures to cover domestic needs. Democrats should not have a problem with that. And what we have in the backs of our minds for the alphabet soup bureaucracies should put us over the top with undecided democrats.

I prefer crazy wacko bird

I prefer crazy wacko bird thank you.

I will say that the push for

I will say that the push for a media shield law seemed to intensify once this story broke. Bradley Manning being charged with wanton publishing is also quite strange.

It's almost as if someone is trying to reinstated the Alien and Sedition Acts.


They'll do anything to entrench the power elite - it's "fighting terrorism" "for the children..."

Freedom is my Worship Word!



Wasn't that the point of the MSM show?

This is why I called it "Snowball" and a hoax, and a planned demplation, and asn inside job.. it was OBVIOUS this was the whole point. What was not obvious is what they were going to replace NSA. with.. Things like this don't go away, they morph.

Bump for Chief Wing Nut & the oh so dignified Liberal Left Elder

Hey, it's the NY Times. We can't expect them to cave completely. Gotta get those nutty digs in there.

While we're at it, Bump for Edward Snowden, who made this tremendous shift possible and so noticeable that the Times had to report about the great shift taking place.

“It is the food which you furnish to your mind that determines the whole character of your life.”
―Emmet Fox


He should make an offer - in exchange for immunity, he'll turn over his ringleader, the one who gave him his orders.

Then say, "John Hancock, along with the other 55 Founding Fathers."

Freedom is my Worship Word!

And That's the Right Attitude to Have

As a Libertarian Party member, I can say from experience that being reasonable, respectful, and tolerant of individuality will get one called "wing nut," "drug fiend," or worse, "idealist." If that bothers you, don't call yourself a libertarian.

I imagine a number of members of Congress are up for re-election next year, and they're doing polling.

I still expect them to introduce a bill that prohibits the collection of calls involving members of congress, former members, and the families of members.

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