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NSA's Gen. Keith Alexander shouted down w/ "BS!" "You LIED!" "Read the Constitution!" by Hackers @ BlackHat 2013 Conf, LV, NV!

Black Hat USA 2013 Gen. Alexander Keynote [FULL Speech]

http://youtu.be/xvVIZ4OyGnQ
Black Hat
Published on Jul 31, 2013

NSA director defends surveillance [Tyranny Shout-down Portion]

http://youtu.be/FKOPPQD9VrM
CNNMoney
Published on Jul 31, 2013

With more leaked details about the NSA's surveillance systems being published, Director Gen. Keith Alexander offers an unapologetic defense at the Black Hat security conference.

** WTF?? Whatever happened to anti-authoritarian hackers?? Note the sociopathic-nerd enablers of tyranny lick the boots of a scum by CHEERING & CLAPPING LOUDER, when Alexander replies "I have, you should, too!" back to a heckler shouting "read the Constitution!"

This is WHY we have tyrannies: insecure nerds who create and build technologies/infrastructure for their very own tools of oppression, to be used against them, in the not-too-distant-future.

Security Consultant Heckles NSA Head: Shouts “Freedom!”; “Read The Constitution!”
Gen. Alexander claims “We stand for freedom”

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
Aug 1, 2013

The NSA head General Keith Alexander faced a hostile crowd Wednesday while attempting to defend mass surveillance programs at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas.

Around 30 minutes into his speech, Alexander claimed that the NSA had “stopped thirteen terrorist related activities in the United States,” flashing up a slide that stated the NSA had prevented fifty-four worldwide terrorist events. “Our nation takes stopping terrorism as one of the most important things.” Alexander stated, prompting a man in the crowd to shout “Freedom!”

“Exactly,” Alexander replied. “We stand for freedom.”

Forbes reports that the security consultant, later identified as 30-year-old Jon McCoy, then fired back “Bullshit!” to smatterings of applause from some of the crowd.

“Not bad,” Alexander responded, adding “But I think what you’re saying is that in these cases, what’s the distinction, where’s the discussion and what tools do we have to stop this.”

“No, I’m saying I don’t trust you!” McCoy shouted back.

Another person in the crowd then joined in, stating “You lied to Congress. Why would people believe you’re not lying to us right now?”

Looking stern and visibly annoyed, Alexander responded “I haven’t lied to Congress.”



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"Black Hat"

Sounds like a bunch of over powered IT specialists....and we all know how arrogant IT specialists can be..... Don't trust em... I hate how we have commercialized and privatized national security.... Ye t we federalize private industry... What's wrong with this picture???

That was the great shoutdown?

Looked and sounded like a bunch of obedient lap dogs with a few patriots mixed in.

They should change the name to "Hey look at me I get to wear daddy's hat".

Be brave, be brave, the Myan pilot needs no aeroplane.

It is difficult to get a real

It is difficult to get a real handle on this. There was so much editing.

Haha

Keep giving the statist and control freaks hell. Let them know that we are not their subject and do not consent to their illegal activities.

Tu ne cede malis.

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So...

http://youtu.be/V1FFVWEQnSM

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

sadly so...

though, not freedoms!

okay, so if one were to be all pep-talk-y, a wo/man free in her/his mind and heart, even in jail, will always be free.

True, the whole 'body being locked in a cage'-thing, aside.

LOL...er.. .o(

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Watching the general, and

hearing the heckler(s) was great, but the even louder applause after the General's retorts was disheartening.

When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign: that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. ~J. Swift

Hackers don't go to Blackhat,

Hackers don't go to Blackhat,

but if they did, they wouldn't say anything. Blackhat is for big IT company douchey sales people to whore themselves to each other. It's like comdex used to be 15 years ago.

Hackers go to Defcon. That starts Friday, (tomorrow).

yup. I'm with ya. That

"the even louder applause after the General's retorts was disheartening."

is what truly is the disturbing part. and I'm sure many of them there think they are literally smarter than the rest of us, enough to rule the world, via their sociopathic nerdom.

Truly dangerous individuals: high IQ control freaks with extremely low emotional IQ with broken to non-existent moral compass that are exhibited via over-compensatory domineering ways (hey, that 'getting crazy at the prospect of losing a Capture-The-Flag in a FPS online game/LAN party session'-nerdrage gotta be released & manifested somehow and somewhere in the real world, no?) insecure and immature children, with access to govt terrorist generals with real weapons, who relish in the factual delusion that they're 'smarter than the rulers,' so much so, that they can literally guide the world, without the 'rulers' knowing, in fact, it is they, who are directing the world.'

I miss all the adorable non-postal, sweet, passionate nerds geeks of the 1980's and 1990's to some extent, whom LOVED passionately what they did and could careless about what some moron douchebags say to or about them.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

see my comment above.

Defcon told the feds to go away this year. "Hacker" types that I know are PISSED!!!! Go look at Bruce Schneier's blog and read his posts from the last month and a half.

People are really upset. You just don't hear about it.

thanks for the clarification.

I just thought they were two separate competing conventions (well, in a sense, suppose they kinda are...)

good to know.

P.S. yup, looks like I've been linked to his site before, from my regular news aggregator sites, but haven't really delved into his site as much. thanks for the recommend.

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/07/details_on_nsa...

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

I honestly don't believe a word he says.

If you listen to, while taking note of his facial expressions, he doesn't believe what he's saying either. He knows he's lying his face off.

I caught that too. It was

I caught that too. It was well orchestrated government propaganda. It was rehearsed lines from the WH talking points. I always get the feeling though that delivering such lines is where the top brass and the top people in gov't get to and stay at the top.

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BUMP.

BUMP.

Note:

this general Keith Alexander either is a gross ignorant or a freaking control addict retard, for he has NO CLUE of what he is talking about.

I am referring to the idea of America and what to be an American means.

Oh, and that's coming from a French immigrant, btw.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Tangentially relevant

Tangentially relevant good post, by gomez, where I commented twice, not counting the bump:

http://www.dailypaul.com/294573/reddit-well-respected-silico...

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

yup, important indeed.

but my go-to-rule of the thumb, when it comes to govt terrorists, at this juncture in history?

IF they have the capability TO do it, then they already have, were, and still are doing it, until it can be 100% proven, otherwise.

Does the technology exists, to enable US govt to be spying on everyone? Then, the prudent answer would be: of course, they are, and always have been, at the very beginning of the introduction of that said technology.

Can they spy? Can they build backdoor onto CPU's? Yes, Yes, and Yes x infinity.

lol.

History, rather, the consistent, factual history of this particular govt and nature of almost ALL govts throughout history have clearly demonstrated that it's more than prudent to ASSume (yup, a dangerous native disposition when it comes to all other matters of life, but not here IMO), in fact, it's utterly naive and moronic to NOT assume that govt is 100% guilty, until 100% proven otherwise, especially at this current epoch in history.

LOL.

to me, the 'brand govt' has long become synonymous with kidnappers, assaulters, torturers, rapists, and murderers...because they actually were, and are. LOL...er.. .o(

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

no tie

open collar, such a fliggin slob

Policy change.

The good general and the entire intelligence complex respond to policy set by legislation and executive interpretation of such laws. They do not make the priorities, they just do the best they can in providing intelligence inherent in the fulfillment of policy. Lamenting the results does not change them. Bringing those results into public domain is apparently able to. Continual public drumbeat for constitutional adherence is now audible. The disclosure of flawed yet implemented paths that are contrary to founding principles is reverberating loudly. Innumerable swaths of US citizens' private communications and their external identifiers shout for explanation. Half the congress is up in arms concerning this, and are listening to constituents. As policy is painstakingly adjusted toward a truer adherence to constitutional norms, The Intel structure, DoD, NSA, Ciber Command and its commanding generals will follow. They are truly patriots and not conniving power grabbers. You'll find them in the dark power pools of industry, finance, and contracting, all outside the government, taking advantage what exists now, in cohort with their bought and paid for politicians and administrators. Disparage them, don't bad mouth the military, the general is sincere.

This douche

loses all credibility when he doesn't start the conversation with "We have meddled in the middle east for decades and are reaping what we sowed".

The bold effort the present bank had made to control the government ... are but premonitions of the fate that await the American people should they be deluded into a perpetuation of this institution or the establishment of another like it-Andrew Jackson

2009 Bilderburg Attendee - Traitor Alexander is.

He can take his pathetic NPR voice and go to hell.

"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a rEVOLution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford

Not really shouted down at all

The Blackhat crowd had a few outbursts, but the room seemed to be mostly filled with NSA boot lickers.

We all want progress, but if you're on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.

-C. S. Lewis

yeah, it was actually more of just "heckling" than

"shouted down" per-se, but y'all get the gist, regardless.

but true, to be more accurate and specific, you're right, of course.

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

From what I have read

about this conference, a lot of government people attend and the hackers get government grants to do their research. That includes the two guys who are on the video showing how to take over the functions of a car; they were doing this experiment with a grant from the Defense Dept.

This is one of the most

This is one of the most disturbing posts I've seen on this issue.

This is how big brother grows. People trust and the surveillance state grows, until, one day, the wrong people gain control of the state.

The only way to stop it is to take on the Gen Alexanders of the world in the public debate, and win.

Many of us are from the IT industry. We obviously have much work to do with our colleagues.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Black hat is for sales people...

Black hat is for sales, and all the large companies (most everyone at Blackhat) have drank heavily from the .gov teat.

Defcon is for knowledge and principles, that's why they told the feds to go away this year.

"Shovel Ready" speech if I ever. When sweeping up ain't enough!


http://youtu.be/LE89KVmyLNo After that speech, we got a heap of shoveling to do. I respect the way cats bury their own feces. Imagine if cats like this help us bury speeches that are full of it.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

MT, my brother: how in the heck do you always seem to be able

to find the 'just the right' passage and video, so quickly?

wait, don't tell me your secret: I always enjoy being 'surprised' by you!

you crack me up Samuel Langhorne Clemens! '0)

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

Thresers & tractors work hard, so I ain't got to.


http://youtu.be/now52pMFUig Here is a mechanized "Thank You" card. 1 minute display of older tractors. When the pile ain't so high, an old tractor will make the job fun. Draw a crowd, to do Tom Sawyer types proud.

Disclaimer: Mark Twain (1835-1910-To be continued) is unlicensed. His river pilot's license went delinquent in 1862. Caution advised. Daily Paul

Bang Zoom!

to the moon Twain! To the Moon!

you lyrical video genius, you! .D

Predictions in due Time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

"Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it's realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy." - Dr. Ronald Ernest Paul

First words out of his mouth pissed me off:

"The way our country put this together...!!?" What UN-mitigated gall implying we the people had anything what-so-ever to do with it.

(I cheated and went straight to the 2nd video.)

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