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Eyewitness Records Santa Ana Officer SHOOT, Kill UNARMED Homeless Man - VIDEO

Eyewitness Records Santa Ana Officer SHOOT, Kill UNARMED Homeless Man - VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjtL2-hbHkg

August 01, 2013 | 7:02 PM

SANTA ANA (CBSLA.com) — An eyewitness recorded cellphone video of a Santa Ana police officer shoot and kill an unarmed 22-year-old homeless man at a shopping center earlier this week.

The witness, who wished to remain unidentified, was standing in the parking lot of the Harbor Place Shopping Center on South Harbor Boulevard around 3 p.m. Tuesday when he said he filmed a confrontation in front of Jugo’s La Tropicana between an officer, later identified as a 13-year veteran, and victim Hans Kevin Arellano.

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Fits the trend lately.

Cops are not able to analyze a situation and effectively communicate. All they know to do is use force and now all they have to do is say, "I felt threatened, that's why I shot him/her."

These are the types of police you do NOT want to give a badge and a gun. You want instead the type that is able to communicate and diffuse a tense situation instead of being trigger happy.

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Preemtive Strike

W would be pleased. Keep justifying the use of lethal force against someone who is unarmed and happens to say something you don't like. Soon it may be you or yours. I swear some people have more of a gangster mentality then the gang-bangers you speak so poorly of. You have become the very thing you hate. Look at me wrong, say something I don't like, beat me in a fist fight and I'll....

All I heard was

"I have no clue what I'm talking about when it comes to self defense. If you don't depend on the state to provide for your safety, you're a coward."

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Maybe you don't have a clue

Or maybe you have trouble hearing. Unlike most of you, I don't live on DP but, if you are referring to my TM post, a grown man should be able to take a butt whipping like a man from a boy without shooting to kill since he was wrong for suspecting him and following him for the very suspicious act of walking. As stated before...that is what gangbangers do, kill when faced with the opposition. Maybe you are one of them? You definitely think like them. Funny how you can infer from my post that I need the state for protection. All you cowboy keyboarders who believe you are so tough need to get your behind off the computer and do something about this government you claim to NOT fear!
I forgot...you're too afraid.

Not a cop lover,

But my be a legit take down.

Depends on several things I wouldn't

jump to conclusions just yet.

Women are by most state laws justified in using lethal force on a threat from an unarmed man because of force equalization. We don't know what the guy was doing there, he was a convicted burglar which means he had little respect for property rights, and as a result of our prison system he probably also had little respect for human beings. That's solidly conjecture I'll admit, but you can't just assume what she did was wrong as you can't see what he's doing. If she had her gun drawn it's easier for a male to overpower a female if she can't retreat and if he comes within arms length while her gun is drawn that's a threat to her life.

Think of it like this. Your wife or girlfriend has a ccw. A crazy guy runs at her full force yelling obscenities. Should she let him hit her and possibly kill her and/or find her gun or should she draw and make a hard choice?

Just trying to offer another viewpoint.

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So that means....

If you send a female cop to a call, and she encounters a male...then simply because she is outmatched, she has the right and responsibility to just shoot the poor sap dead? I'm sorry, that is just the dumbest line of reasoning I have ever heard. She's a cop...cops are supposed to be trained and capable of handling situations like this without loss of life. To serve and protect....yeah right.

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Another straw man

That is not what I said. Try reading all of my posts. If a man is attacking her and she is armed. She absolutely has the right of self defense. If she tells him to stay back and he advances she has the right to kill him, because he knows she is armed and is moving into a physical confrontation that will quickly become deadly because of the gun. If you would let someone attack you physically while you are armed, you're not only stupid you are dangerously stupid.

That's a basic fundamental principle of every self defense law, every self defense practice, and every self defense course. I have the right to not be attacked. If you attack me then whatever the end result of your actions are is your problem.

Cops are not super humans, if i have a gun or a cop does doesn't matter, the same rules should be in place. When someone comes at you with the intent to do you physical harm you have the right to defend yourself.

Tell me if your wife or girlfriend were carrying a gun and a 210lb mma fighter started toward her yelling obscenities and saying he was going to hurt her, she pulls her gun, he keeps advancing. You want her to NOT shoot him? Is that really your position?

Cops are not to serve and protect. That was ruled in about 3 different supreme court cases. They are agents of the state. This isn't about cops, this is about a fundamental human right to defend yourself against a violent person.

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I don't think that would apply

She might be a woman, but she is a police officer. I would hold her to the same standards of any police officer, male or female. If she cannot defuse an unarmed man in an aggressive situation without the use of deadly force, I would question her fitness as an officer. Not only that, but the report said she responded as backup. That means there was at least one other officer present. So, she was not in a completely vulnerable situation.

A fair point

but again we don't know the entirety of the situation. People can easily kill you with a knife if they get within your 21ft zone. And some people just attack for no good reason. I just want people to think rationally without jumping to conclusions, without knowing all the facts. I could very well be wrong in my alternate view. But when we automatically assume people are guilty we are no better than those who have harmed us.

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Maybe go for a thigh shot

Maybe go for a thigh shot instead of center mass?

I think cops are trained to

I think cops are trained to shoot center mass.

many reasons

http://www.policeone.com/legal/articles/2071009-Why-shooting...

Personally, I just think that if you are worried about your life, your going to try and stop him and shooting someone in the leg that close is hard under stress and may not necessarily get the job done, and you could possibly be endangering others.

She probably should have had her taser on the ready, but I understand going for the gun first if this was a robbery call. You would have no idea what they were armed with.

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If an unarmed man calling you

If an unarmed man calling you a bitch qualifies as "fearing for your life", maybe you shouldn't be a cop.

You don't know what happened

don't pretend like you do.

There are lots of bad cops, but I don't judge her actions based on the fact she is a cop. That's just as bad assuming she's innocent because she's a cop. how about we wait for all the facts before jumping to conclusions and until then she's innocent until proven guilty like everyone else should be.

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He was unarmed, those are the

He was unarmed, those are the facts.

Clearly

You have never been in a fight before, if you think being unarmed makes you incapable of harming or killing another person. Especially, if the attacker is male and the defender female.

More people are killed EVERY single year with hands and feet than rifles. A gun's a tool and it's not perfect, a person with a knife can kill you if they are within 21ft of you, before you can usually draw your gun.

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Fight? Who's making up facts

Fight? Who's making up facts now?

So what does armed have to

do with anything then?

If that's your line of argument that she shot him with no provocation other than him calling her a bitch. What does him being armed or unarmed have to do with anything? You know damn well I offered an alternative view and that's what I was commenting on. None of us know what happened you're basing your entire argument that she acted inappropriately on a factless media report. I'm saying wait for the facts, this is what could have happened. You want to jump to conclusions like the msm.

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Do you really think that an

Do you really think that an officer has the right to kill someone if they think that they MIGHT to be in a fight that they MIGHT lose? Wow, how did you find this site?

You're damn right I do

If someone is threatening me with a knife or a bottle or physical bodily injury that could result in my death. I have natural right to defend my life. Especially if I'm armed and they know it, getting into a physical altercation when you have a weapon is one of the most dangerous situations you can ever be in.

Wow, how did you find this site?

Fuck off.

How about you respond to ANY of my points instead of straw manning me again?

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I guess you missed the

I guess you missed the "MIGHT" in all caps.

You seem to have some anger issues.

Yeah that's called a straw man.

Like I said, when you have something other than childish quips and can actually defend your points let me know.

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I have never heard a cop use

I have never heard a cop use the defense that they thought they MIGHT get in a fight with an unarmed man, as a defense for shooting an unarmed man. I thought it sounded obsurt, but the I googled "cop shoots unarmed man" and I found out you are right, they do it, and get away with it, all the time. http://www.salon.com/2013/08/02/sheriff_fl_cops_who_shot_una...

You can continue to draw out your straw man

all you want. I'm not going to respond to it. You can't address my point, so you make up a false position and attack that. It's pathetic.

Also, there is this feature called the "edit" button, so you aren't flooding the forum with repeated bumps of a thread like a troll.

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then maybe

there shouldn't be any women officers if that means more male suspects are going to end up dead just because of the POSSIBILITY that they (the women officers) can be bested by the males they encounter.

Jury Nullification is a power of the last resort against tyranny.

So we should disarm all women then?

That's the logical conclusion of your post.

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