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For The Holocaust Deniers an Alfred Hitchcock Documentary

Since my discovery of what really is Israel, several posters here have been presenting me with links that deny the holocaust. They claim that the holocaust never happened. The holocaust was just some Jewish hoax to gain sympathy and detract from the real truth, the, "illegal occupation, and brutal regime of the Godless Jews, who don't deserve a place on Earth. If there was a holocaust, the Jews deserve it, because the Jews control banking, and media, and everything that is WRONG with this world can be attributed to Jews."

I DON'T THINK SO!

I present here, Part one of a documentary filmed by Albert Hitchcock.

It is not for the weak stomach, heart or mind, I warn you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBgM4W1Nprg



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Yes! The Alfred Hitchcock

nonsense that you forced down our throats was so much better. You have already admitted what and who you are. Why should anyone believe that anything that you had to say was not heavily biased? How about if we encourage Israel to turn Iran into a sheet of glass? You would be like one of those celebrating dancing Israelis in New York after 9-11. Death and destruction is just fine with you as long as Zionist are the ones doing all the killing. What a piece of work.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Abraham Lincoln

“Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.”― Henry David Thoreau

To me

911 was a UN job and who blames Israel.. it wasn't Israel.. interesting, wasn't it 6 Israelis who are so much more important that 6 nations of Islam cheering?

I hesitate to lower myself into this discussion, but....

Which six nations celebrated, and what is your evidence. The only evidence I saw was later shown to be falsified.

After 9/11, the U.S. had tremendous sympathy from around the world, including from the people of the Islamic nations. They could hardly believe what had been done in the name of their religion. However, the Bush administration immediately attacked Muslim countries that had not attacked us, and some Christian pastors and some leaders who called themselves Christian began burning Korans and claiming all kinds of crazy things about Muslim beliefs. We squandered the good will that was extended to us, and now we are perceived as being an anti-Muslim country.

The Muslims in general did not celebrate 9/11. In fact, there were candle light vigils around the world after 9/11, including in Muslim countries.

wrong

This is why I don't like getting into this subject

Your reply to my comment completely misses my point. The video you embedded concerned the Hasan shooting, many years after 9/11 and long after our policies had ruined the good will of the Muslim world after the 9/11 attacks.

So, no, I do not believe I'm wrong. Your evidence does not address my argument.

Your evidence is spotty, or possibly contrived

If your read the Wikipedia entry that you cited, there is a hidden edit that you have to look for:

Annette Krüger Spitta of the [[ARD (broadcaster)|ARD]]'s (German public broadcasting) TV magazine ''Panorama'' states that footage not aired shows that the street surrounding the celebration in Jerusalem is quiet. Furthermore, she states that a man in a white T-shirt incited the children and gathered people together for the shot. The ''Panorama'' report, dated September 20, 2001, quotes Communications Professor Martin Löffelholz explaining that in the images one sees jubilant Palestinian children and several adults but there is no indication that their pleasure is related to the attack. The woman seen cheering (Nawal Abdel Fatah) stated afterwards that she was offered cake if she celebrated on camera, and was frightened when she saw the pictures on television afterward.[http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=de_en&url=http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/archiv/2001/t_cid-2935674_.html 'Pictures, reports, embarrassment – the media and the disaster' by Annette Krüger Spitta

On "What Really Happened," the photos that were published around the world were tracked down and identified as part of an earlier celebration pre-911. Even if the video and photos were authentic, they represented a tiny portion of the Palestinian population in one particular town, Nablus. This does not support your statement that several Muslim nations were celebrating.

In fact, the Wikipedia entry supports my contention that Muslims around the world were horrified by the attacks and roundly condemned them.

As for bloggers...Meh...your Wikipedia reference carried far more weight than the writings of pro-Israel partisans.

I have seen enough

DEATH TO THE USA and DEATH TO ISRAEL since 911 to show the true face of Islam.

I have read enough "truther" posts on DP by now to see Muslims BLAME Jews and America for it's own destruction.

The HATE, The LIES, the EXCUSES are Henious, deplorable and needs to stop for there to be global peace.

Denying that Islam wants DEATH TO AMERICA and ISRAEL is a lie.

Granger, you've gone off the deep end

Your last response does not deal with any of the facts on the table. Frankly, I can't make heads or tails out of it because I'm not sure if you're accusing me of lying, or of being a 'truther,' or of hating Israel. Maybe all three. Respectfully, I believe you are deeply mistaken.

You are very abrasive. Not sure why you went off on me.

Alfred Hitchcock

Served as a "treatment advisor" basically a film editor. One account, true or not, says his involvement was minimal. The documentary was produced by the British Army. To say it was an Alfred Hitchcock Documentary (altho it is listed that way all over the internet) is not quite accurate.

My question is wondering why Hitchcock was brought in as a treatment adviser. Perhaps because he was considered a master of morbidity and suspence. (Remember "The Birds"?) Also there aresome horrific inclusions that many claim hoax like skin used as lampshades.

I am not agreeing with or disagreeing with it happening or the numbers. Am just wondering why, even if he totally produced the film, a film by Hitchcock would be considered the final proof. Yes, there are horrific pict ures of people dead whether all by gas chambers or typhoid or a combination, I don't know. It is some of the acccompanying verbage and explanation that I question being documented "fact".

fonta

Why are you even here,

Why are you even here, Granger? You're obviously not a libertarian.
You show all the signs of being a fully fledged Neocon. You even support Israel uncritically.

If Israel bites off more than it can chew with Iran or anyone else over there, I say let em burn for it. The world will be a happier, more peaceful place without insane Zionist ambition.

"The United States can pay any debt it has because we can always print money to do that." — Alan Greenspan

I'm not looking to be part of a collective

I have been here longer than most, and so why would I leave because some AUTHORITIVE (do what we say, not what we do) collectists has come here?

Most important.. I learn.. you see, I am learning, and challanging what I am learning about this collective that claims it is Libertarian. It appears to have no respect for the indiviual voice that challenges it, but rather downvotes, discredits, and like dogs in a pile, barks against the ONE who thinks for themself.

I am no longer a libertarian politically.. I left the LP in 1993 and have no regrets.

Israel certainly deserves criticism, and takes it very well IMO. I think we have much to learn from Israel, but seems many here would rather learn from Islam or AUTHORITY in any name.

i personally also have a

i personally also have a great disregard for authoritive collectists. and there is nothing more annoying than stamp collectivists. they really get my goat.

What about Stalin and Lenin?

Both were Jewish and its estimated that they killed over 60 million innocent people, most were primarily gentiles. Where is the outrage in that?

Yes, by most accounts, deaths

Yes, by most accounts, deaths attributed to the Russians were greater than those attributed to the Nazis, even conservative estimates put them at a million+ more than the Nazis. The only reason we dont hear about them more often is because of the way they occured and the "sick" factor involved was greater with the Nazis. I am not saying this makes the deaths any less worse though, but people often lack perspective when it comes to major historical events like this.
Whether or not you believe there was a holocaust, there is no denying that tens of millions of people died regardless of what religion they were.

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Stalin and Lenin were Jewish?

Could you give me documentation for that? If they were (if there is proof), I had no idea--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

There is so much conflicting about Stalin

"information" about this that it is really hard to get a factual handle on it.
Personally, I think it is a case of "the lady doth protest too much". The zionists set the peasant jews up to be Jew bashed, to bring about the take over of Palestine, so it wouldn't surprise me if Stalin was a Zionist Jew.

I think Gulag Archipelago represented that best

I have plenty of outrage over what Stalin did, however, I do not see what Russia is doing as any way to stop what Stalin and Lenin did. I do see Israel as THE way to stop what murders like Stalin, Hitler, Lenin, have done.

NEVER AGAIN applies to ALL purges.

sigh.....

and yet another divisive thread.

The reason why the Holocaust was real in my eyes, is because an unarmed culture were sent to slaughter. That is much different than people that have taken arms against you. That is the fact that stands out to me. Jews were slaughtered for being Jewish. That doesn't mean other people didn't die. It shows me that their faith lead to their slaughter.

I was raised in a deeply patriotic family. One that has served nearly every war in American history. The horror of WWII was very real. It was a time where we came together for a great cause and defeated the most evil regimes in history.

I am very proud of that. It was a time when our country believed in our values and foundation. Our country united and we desperately need it now. Liberty is a very real thing and America has been fortunate enough to have a taste of it. Videos like this remind us that keeping government power in check is a very good thing.

We need reminders like this. People were sent to slaughter. That was very real. I do not wish to use this to protect Jewish people. I want this as a reminder to protect EVERYONE from this EVIL. Regardless of their faith.

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Granger... you need to decompress.

May I suggest you go to a national park with some mountains, critters and streams..... smoke some really good weed. And enjoy your environment. Listen to silence. Listen to earth. For the love of God, decompress.

'Peace is a powerful message.' Ron Paul

Far more than Jews were slaughtered

I did not make this post to single out Jews ONLY Holocast. It is ONLY the Jews who are saying NEVER AGAIN and making their stand in Israel, while it appears in the name of a collective of PEACE, it is OK that people were tourtured, raped, starved, beaten, gasses, burned, bimbed, shot, murdered because of the number 6 million being redundant?

I too am putting this up as a reminder NEVER AGAIN, not just for Jews, but for ALL the people who are UNWANTED.

We are facing a UN Agenda, which believes PEOPLE ARE THE PROBLEM. I believe inept corrupt government is the problem, and it appears that you are AGREEING with me.. so why charge me with being divisive?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Six_Million_Really_Die%3F

how many people were bimbed?

how many people were bimbed?

Too many

IMO way too many

Here's one source of the number six million Jews

What they lack in honesty they make up lies.
Have a look at this link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

Granger, do us all a favor and start another website, maybe the Daily Izzy, so you can commiserate with like-minded people.

steelfab

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Those 6 million Jews are sure

Those 6 million Jews are sure robust. To be able to face starvation and disease so many times and still struggle back to health (in some cases in just a matter of months) only to face starvation and death again and again...

Beware the cult of "government"...

Are you a libertarian?

Since when do libertarians speak as a collective, "do us all a favor?"

There is an IGNOR button.. IGNOR The Granger.. be my guest. But to speak for the DP, I DON'T THINK SO!

I saw and remarked on your last post about what I think about your CALLOUS YouTube.

Newspapers started reporting the number six million Jews in 1915

From 1915 to 1938 newspapers started reporting six million Jews persecuted,starving,suffering, and murdered. The number lasted from 1915 to 1938 and beyond. The Jews that came up with this number were not very creative. Have a look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk

steelfab

6 Million back in 1900 too.

"There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism. they come not to beg, but ask for that which is higher than all material things. They seek to have satisfied the unquenchable thirst after the ideal. They ask to become once again the messengers of right, justice and humanity."
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=F10B16F734...

I'm looking

and it begins with Russia.. 06/06/1913 and Russia wound up with what 200 million murders.. this guy is making an issue on the numbers, not the tourture, or muders.. wow.

The second article 10/18/1918 appears to refers to the first article.. so naturally the 6 million would be consistant.. amazing is that they claim it will take 1 billion dollars to rebuild what the loss of the 6 million Jews costs.. and in 1915, we're looking at the Central Banking perspective.

Next article is about the Ukrain.. 127K murderes and the 6 million is not about Jews.. Ukain and Poland 09/09/1919 He keeps making an issue about this is before Hitler.. but to me.. the issue would be that this is why Israel needs to be on the defense, wiping out Jews appears to be a global theme.

theirs is the same date, different article in the same papper.. and all the articles come from the NYT.

I get the idea if it was the Jews murdering 6 million then people would be up in arms about 6 million?

02/23/1920... front page, they raised $50K to save Jews.. so of course they are going to use the 6 million because the article shows, far from the $1 Billion they need, they have collected $50K.. all this is based on the previous articles. OH and it mentions the Jews slaughtered in palestine!!!! TOLD YOU SO! Told you they were murdering the Jews who came to Israel!

05/07/1920 pg 11..NYT Jewish get $1.000 gift... so again this is the NYT follow up on past articles... the "horrifying famine, disease and death, mean nothing to this guy selling these papers.

07/20/1921 pg 2 NYT Another story about soviet pograms..

It's OBVIOUS millions of Jews were exterminated and this means NOTHING???? Becasue of the number 6?

So I get it.. if we have 6 Million Americans murdered.. it didn't happen?

It's such a shame that American KNEW this was happening and did NOTHING.

12/29/1931 NYT he didn't say much except it say 6 million and was before Hitler (he's sounding like a Hitler appeaser)

05/31/1936 NYT it does not say 6 million Jews.. now it says Holocast.. proof the holocast happened eh? pg 14.. American "APPEAL for Jewish refuge" Christians are stepping up as Zionists.. they are calling for an Israel to be created..

02/23/1938 NYT pg 23 Jewish tragedy pictures.. about a event showing teachers what happened.. 6 million is the same theme by the NYT. I think it was WAY over 6 million.

You say the Jews who came up with this were not creative. No schit Sherlock.. NYT kept to it's number.. and you down play the starving, suffering and murders, because that's OK, eh?

Over a 30 year span

it was always '6 million' (always referred to as, 'half the Jewry on earth') that died or needed to be saved.
The Ukraine, then Russia, then Europe, then Germany and Poland, etc.

Doesn't add up.

Personally

I think it was far more than 6 million. I think the 6 million is a kabbalistic number that reflects more on the cabals (kabbals) of the times. It does not negate the fact that population purges happen.

They do.

Not just to Jews, that's a fact.

I think what's really important, when we compare the population purge of Stalin to Hitler, Russia is not saying NEVER AGAIN, Germany is not saying NEVER AGAIN.. Israel is saying NEVER AGAIN.