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Greenwald: Members of Congress Denied Access to Basic Information About NSA

Two congressmen speak out: Grayson and Griffith provided Guardian with information on their requests for more info on the NSA...and were denied. Glenn was also on ABC this morning.

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Documents provided by two House members demonstrate how they are blocked from exercising any oversight over domestic surveillance

• Morgan Griffith's requests for NSA information
• Alan Grayson's requests for NSA information

by Glenn Greenwald | theguardian.com | Sunday 4 August 2013

Members of Congress have been repeatedly thwarted when attempting to learn basic information about the National Security Agency (NSA) and the secret FISA court which authorizes its activities, documents provided by two House members demonstrate.

From the beginning of the NSA controversy, the agency's defenders have insisted that Congress is aware of the disclosed programs and exercises robust supervision over them. "These programs are subject to congressional oversight and congressional reauthorization and congressional debate," President Obama said the day after the first story on NSA bulk collection of phone records was published in this space. "And if there are members of Congress who feel differently, then they should speak up."

But members of Congress, including those in Obama's party, have flatly denied knowing about them. On MSNBC on Wednesday night, Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Ct) was asked by host Chris Hayes: "How much are you learning about what the government that you are charged with overseeing and holding accountable is doing from the newspaper and how much of this do you know?" The Senator's reply:

The revelations about the magnitude, the scope and scale of these surveillances, the metadata and the invasive actions surveillance of social media Web sites were indeed revelations to me."



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ecorob's picture

No access, no funding.

End of story.

its 'cos I owe ya, my young friend...
Rockin' the FREE world in Tennessee since 1957!
9/11 Truth.

Time to defund the NSA

Put them in the waste bin. But, if they are anything like the KGB, they'll be running the country after empire USA falls.

Like a fart in church

The MSM has downplayed this story like no other. Not a trace to be found.

this is a MUST-READ article.

this is a MUST-READ article.

Thomas Jefferson 1796, 1800, 1804; James Madison 1808, 1812; Ron Paul 1988, 2008, 2012; Rand Paul 2016.

Cyril's picture

... Meanwhile, on other shores :

... Meanwhile, on other shores :

Germany Ends Cold War Spying Pact With US and Britain



"Ô Embarrassment !"

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

So Glenn Greenwald, via The Guardian,

is telling you that Big Business is running the "government" of the USA?
Repackaging old news with todays glossy spin.
Why has British Big Media, The Guardian made Mr Greenwald the poster boy for the NSA?
Something smells real bad with all of this, it just seems too slick.

Cyril's picture

Jill, I hear you. But then, what about Dr. Ron Paul ... ?


I hear you. But then, what has made Dr. Ron Paul the (practically) alone poster gentleman for the US Constitution, in the strict sense, for 40 years and counting?

My answer would be:

well, let us feel free to look at the records, when in doubts.

Shall we?

For, IMO, actions, and records of actions (or, spontaneous testimonies**) will always speak louder than words, or coincidences... or whatever gratuitous speculations we may have.

Will those not?


** http://youtu.be/Qr7nL2xIZqI

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Thanks Cyril.

When I read Dr Paul's pieces about the Snowden case, I pick up that he praises the man, and condemns the governments behavior. And that is fair enough, and I agree with him.
I ask myself "Who is behind Snowden"? Is Wikileaks really what it says it is, or is it a front to ensnare anyone patriotic enough to whistle blow? Who are the people who are Snowden's legal people, what are their backgrounds, who do they rub shoulders with?
Who owns and runs The Guardian and Salon.com?
Dr Paul doesn't comment on these questions, and nor do I expect him to, but being the canny old man he is I'm sure he's asking himself the same things.

It must be obvious by now

that those we have elected to represent us are powerless. Hell maybe even Obama is powerless. Is it possible that they want to do something but can't.

Obama is a puppet and just doing what he is told.

The big picture here is very scary. I don't know about you but when I really start to think about it I become very nauseous. I'm not joking.

I can tell you when my moment of truth came. It was when they began to unseat the elected Ron Paul delegates. I don' see anyway out other than an armed revolution.

Do you really think you can vote these people out? Maybe on local levels but that won't be enough.

Its just total lawlessness all the way up to the supreme court.


The intelligence community is running the country...

Their authority supersedes that of Congress.

We live in what Aldous Huxley would call a scientific dictatorship. An authoritarian dictatorship is in place that provides the illusion of freedom through technological means. The office of the president serves as nothing more than a rotating figurehead, and most of the (s)elected representatives are kept in the dark.

A modern technological version of Plato's Cave

Jon Rappoport just put out an excellent article today that illustrates this perfectly.

"Booking a reservation for the movie called Reality"

"This is a serious process, for which some introspection is necessary.

You need to consider whether you are an individual or a group. That’s the first order of business. Group ticketing is easy and flows quickly through the system. That’s because any group is automatically ripe for mind control.

The individual, however, is a different matter. He may think he is a group, in which case: refer to the above paragraph. His application will be approved without delay. But if he knows he is an individual, certain restrictions apply."...


Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. - Frederick Douglass

Also known as "the inmates

Also known as "the inmates are running the asylum".

Cyril's picture

Awww. What a surprise!

Awww. What a surprise!

So, looks like it's congressmen's turn...


... to hear NSA's "F*ck You" coming to their delicate ears, now?

Surprise, surprise.

Unexpected to happen eventually, much?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

This, more so even than the

This, more so even than the nature of the NSA spying programs themselves, is the BIG issue.

We supposedly live in a republic. In a republic matters of state are decided by the people, either directly or through their representatives.

But if the operations of the state are kept secret, not only from the people but also from the people's representatives, then the state is no longer operating as a republic, but as an oligarchy.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Cyril's picture

"We supposedly live in a republic." You think?

We supposedly live in a republic.

You think?

I'm afraid it is drifting away at a quite serious speed, by now.

Sad (some of) the people can see it, but, and AMAZINGLY enough !

... not quite Congress, Senate, or the Supreme Court, as of yet.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.


"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Oh with a few notable

Oh with a few notable exceptions, the congress critters and the courts not only see it, they support the concept of post-constitutional America. The jury is still out on whether this applies also to boobus Americanus, and that is the only remaining reason for hope.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein