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Enough With The Israel Crap.

I GET IT. Israel is corrupt and run by warmongering politicians. I agree.

SO IS THE FREAKING UNITED STATES.

So is Saudi Arabia.

So is literally every single country that is in any way involved with Middle East politics.

Stop acting like Israel is uniquely evil - it's not. The nations surrounding it are just as bad and often worse. That does NOT make Israel good, but I am well and truly sick of constantly getting an earful of how the EVIL JEWS or EVIL ZIONISTS (WTF does that even MEAN?!) or EVIL ISRAELIS are somehow behind every single evil in the past half century.

For the love of all sanity, PLEASE stop blaming EVERY LITTLE THING on Jews/Israelis/Zionism. Please stop acting like Israel is some kind of uniquely horrible evil - it's just another country that's run by crappy politicians, not some unending source of evil spawned in the depths of Hell like some of you keep saying it is.

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Let me give a clarification. The posts that I'm SICK of hearing are the incessant "Zionists control EVEREHTHENG" posts and the individuals who are CONVINCED there is a massive conspiracy that gives Israel total control over the U.S.

No, there's not a conspiracy. There's a hilariously massive misunderstanding of the Bible, and thus we have evangelical politicians who are going by said misunderstanding - hence Israel's disproportionate effect on U.S. policy.

In short - I will GLADLY criticize Israel. I have never denied, nor will I deny, that it has an outrageously large effect on U.S. policy. But for Heaven's sake, please quit with the half-baked conspiracy theories about the "Zionists" who control everything, somehow. Rewind a hundred years, and see if it makes any sense to have Asians ranting about how the "Westernists" control everything through secret far-reaching conspiracies. Historical coincidence is a more than adequate explanation.

It's a load of crap, and the people who are convinced of a massive conspiracy are looking for someone to blame. Here's my advice - BLAME THE BLOODY POLITICIANS and the crap-for-brains zombies that elected them.

Criticize where you have grounds to criticize. You'll make much more progress that way.

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Here's an idea... lets focus on us instead of any other country

If Israel and the middle east want to fight until they all die I say we let them and mind our own business.

THEY need to find a way to get along themselves.

Good point

Americans who bash Israel for civil rights abuses are like North Koreans who bash Americans for our civil rights abuses. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw rocks at Zionists. Let's focus on our own country.

Evil Zionists - qu'est-ce que c'est?

Zionism is a Jewish nationalism. Zionists are not only Jews. Anyone who professes the belief that Jews should have a country where they are a majority and control the politics there is a Zionist. Many people who are not Jews are Zionists. The Nazi "Jew-hater Number One" Julius Streicher professed to being a Zionist at Nuremberg. He wanted the Jews to have a country of their own in order to isolate the political power and influence of Jews. He, however, wanted to force Jews to move and live there.

Zionism is a nineteenth century notion. It is one of many national movements from that time. It was picked up and endorsed by some Protestant churches under the belief that the recreation of Biblical Israel would fulfill prophesy and usher in the second coming of Christ based on an interpretation of the Book of Revelations.

Others equate the treatment of Israel with that of Jews. So Israel has to be honored as part of respecting God's Chosen People in general. The problem is, with this rationalization, Israel gets a blank check.

Up until the 1930's, as an avenue of escape from Europe, Jews were not particularly interest in Zionism. Then, after the war, hundreds of thousands of homeless Jews, displaced by the war, were moved to Israel. In 1948, there were enough Jews living in Palestine to evict the Arabs and declare Israel a Jewish state.

I really don't care how good or evil Israel is. My beef is with the federal government subsidizing it. The whole business if corrupt and is ultimately a huge money laundering operation.

[F]orce can only settle questions of power, not of right. - Clyde N. Wilson

I really like what you wrote

I would only like to add.. that only this year I have become a zionist and not for any reasons you mentioned.. it is because Israel is standing for sovreignity against the UN Agenda of globalization, and they are showing, we don't need a UN Agenda.. what we need are rights and a government that protects our rights to have and own land, businesses, thoughts.. there is freedom within those walls that surpasses American freedom at this point.

I find it very inspirational. It gives me hope. I believe if America operated like Israel, we would not have a Detroit as is.

Granger you are right

Israel is not a slave to the agenda of others.

I do not like some of their policies but we should try to understand and work with them instead of just condemning them.

Hopefully there is a way forward for the Palestinians but bashing Israel is not a good start.

Lord Acton, Lord Chief Justice of England, 1875 - "The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the People v. The Banks."

Granger, I am asking you this in all sincerity.

Are you OK? Is everything alright?
I worry about you, as you seem to have gotten a totally irrational bee in you bonnet over Israel, Zionism and the UN, balling them all up into a huge tangled mess of misunderstanding, propaganda and mis-information.
Take a deep breath my friend, read a trashy book, or watch a trite movie, step back a little from this thing that seems to be consuming you.

I'm OK

I don't feel like my research on Israel has been an irrational bee in my bonnet. I really like what I'm seeing that Israel is doing about standing against the UN Agenda. If America were more like Israel, we wouldn't have a Detroit going bankrupt, because we would be more free than we are, to reclaim detroit as a people, not as corporate personhoods.

And I'll level with you, because I do have a problem, and studying Israel/Palestine/UN//USA has been much easier by comparison.

I'm at the point, I don't know what to do.. I'm thinking I should file a criminal complaint, but it's complicated...and part of me wants to brush the whole damn thing aside, but things keep happening, stupid things.. little things, weird things, won't just let me be about it..

So here goes, and I'm going to summerize

I have no doubt my father, under the influence of a very clever woman, took the opportunity to "let my Mother go". She passed.

He then, methodically disenfrancised his children, giving us the ultimatum to accept this woman, or he "never wanted to see us again".

I have not liked this, but I never saw him again.

13 days before he passed, he changed his will.

The people who my father named, have not received their money. The attorney lodged a new will(forged) for my Mother (2 years after she passed).

I am the executor of both their original wills and I have those wills.

My father was worth quite a bit of money, not millions, but that money could have helped three of my siblings (one who passed and how I found out about none of the new heirs getting their shares, and my remaining siblings have issues).

The thing is.. I KNOW his will was hi-jacked by this woman. He lived in another state. A local attorney gave me some names of attorneys who have passed the bar where his new will is lodged and my state, but after months of searches.. and because his state is #42 on the most corrupt of courts, I've not found an attorney.

So I'm stumped. I know this is a crime to hi-jack an estate. So, I'm trying to work it out in my head how to file the complaint, but also what to do about it.. Is filing the crime report enough?

These little things.. this morning my Dad's name with "go for it", was a mis-transcribed message I recieved. Pictures I haven't seen in years of my folks fall out of books I haven't moved.. wrong number calls asking for my Mom's name... I took everything I thought I had about his estate, filed it in the back of my filing cabinate, and copies I don't remember making, pop up.

So, yeah, I'm bothered about it. Seems "forces" are telling me to "go for it", but I'm stumped. I have talked to my sheriff, my DA.. both tell me to file a criminal report.. but it's like writing a book because I really don't know how to do this.

And that's what's bothering me.

SO.. tell me to get over it so I can.

go talk to a lawyer

and not one online at dp.

actually pay one for an hour or three of advice. Then take that into consideration.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I have

several.. I got reference after reference, in many surrounding counties, to where the will is lodged.. appears I am limited to an attorney who has passed bars in my state, and where the will is lodged.. so that limits me.. and the thing is.. there's an OLD BOY'S CLUB, so what I have to find is someone who is willing to not only represent the original will, but go up against the OLD BOYs CLUB (who profitted off the hi-jacking).. I was told this by a past judge in the area who said it is highly unlikely any attorney will go up against THE OLD BOY'S CLUB, since most participate in it.

I think it needs to go to a federal level.. and seeing what's going on with the federal government doesn't give me much hope at the moment. THANK YOU FOR THE CHIN UP!!!!

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sorry to hear that

there are lawyers here on the DP
maybe they can help,it is worth a try,right?
I have found that some family just aren't
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

Get over it, should be replaced

with work through it.
I am really sorry that this has turned nasty for you, and that really, at the end of the day, it is only the lawyers who profit from disputed wills.
I would love to be able to help you with this, but it is far from my area, and the laws in your state/country will be way different to mine.
I can only wish you all the best, and advise to keep the doors of communication wide open at all times....sometimes you have to give a little to gain a little.
There is no law that states a parent must leave their estate to their children, maybe just let it go.

Yep

It's only nasty in the sense that these stupid little things have not stopped..like the mis-translated message this morning with my dad's name and GO FOR IT. LOL

I have been avoiding this issue for two years.. siblings are PO'd because I said what you said.. He can do what he wants.. but they feel he was coersed.. one brother said it was assisted suicide.. I said that can't be, it's illegal in his state.. but I understand, he was very depressed, completely drugged and drunk.. very sick.. really he ruined his life (though everyone says the other woman ruined his life). And she did very well in her very short relationship.. being a capitalist, I respect that about her.

So when we talk about Israel and Palestine.. do I know what it is like to be raped and beaten for years and then robbed of my inheiratence? You betcha!

If we all just let these things go eh? :D PEACE

Ahh Granger, you have let the cat out of the bag!

You defend Israel because you identify with her "problems".
Have you ever asked your self "What would Israel do if She were me?
Chances are she would obliterate any problem in Her way and deal with it.
So deal with it..."God helps those who help themselves" is a Zionist motto you know.
It is only your guilty mind sending "messages".

Not a problem

I saw myself more as Palestinian actually.

Seems my Dad's friend was the "Israeli (Jewish BTW) who lied, cheated, abducted and stole what was entitled to me and my siblings, until 13 days before his self induced passing, her attorney (UN) arranged to have us rendered "stateless", and she occupied the estate, which is worth more than what most people ever see in an inheiretance, even divided.

Only a few short months ago did I come to LOVE Israel, and perhaps why I can forgive and forget (if these darn little things would stop, and I pray they do, why I brought it up to you, to help flush it), though that is not the case of my siblings, one of whom died a few months ago(was a quadplegic my Mother cared for, and her death, and my father's abandonment, left him dependent on the state, which has no need to pay into keeping people like him alive for long).

Trust me, I'm fine.. my siblings are another story.. but then, life goes on, eh?

You aren't a Palestinian or

You aren't a Palestinian or an Israeli. You are a silly white girl with her head screwed on wrong.

Correct

I am not a Palestinian or an Israeli, and I may have my head screwed on wrong according to you, but no reason why I can't use an analogy to show that I have compassion for BOTH Palestinians and Israelis.

I'm keeping you in prayer.

You are going through a lot...

Let peace be the governor of your heart. Many times its as simple as listening to the "red light" within your spirit for stop ....or "green light" for go. If there is any kind of "scratchiness" or unease within.your spirit then that is your spirit giving a red light--stop, don't go forward. On the other hand if you sense a gentle peace, ease, light....that is your spirit giving you the green light.

The Lord is your Shepherd, ...he loves you tenderly and will guide you.

Doubt is of darkness. Truth is peace.

Also, I also read on another thread where you shared about having cancer (in your past) & was wondering what natural remedies are available. There is a wonderful one called B17 (also known as Laetrile). You can purchase this on Amazon (the Novodalin brand)...I bought this for a young.woman w/ stage 4 melanoma, 2 tumors on her liver & in a little over 8 weeks she is now completely cancer free!! Praise the Lord! This product comes out of Mexico (its illegal here in the U.S....thanks to the FDA).

His grace, peace, wisdom & mercy to you precious ((Granger)).

Jesus is the saviour of the WHOLE WORLD, "As in Adam all die, so too in Christ ALL shall be made alive." (ICor.15:22) All means all. The pagan 'hell' of literal fire & eternal torment is a lie and is SPIRITUAL TERRORISM. http://www.hopebeyondhell.net

((((((((((h4w))))))))

I "hear" you on the, "green light", "red light".. check this out.. I decided to take a break, (I do chores between postings), and I thought, "I'm going to watch a movie, nothing serious.. just something of a different nature". So I open the movie player and what is the movie featured FRONT PAGE, "Recommened for you"?

"INHEIRITANCE" I kid you not! Children of the SS.. it was a documentary about a woman whose father was Amon Goeth.

This song came to mind, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gr5J9jCVII

All I know is things happen for a reason, and that God does not give us what we can not handle when we are with God, who is beyond our ability to reason. So it's about ADORING GOD with ALL our heart and having FAITH, that what does not crush us, will make us stronger.

Which brings me to the cancer question. I have taken Nature Made B-17 for years. I do not believe I had cancer. I believe I tested a false possitive.

Thank you for the LOVING SPIRIT and kindness (((((((((((h4w)))))))))) <3 <3 <3

no..

Don't like reading about it then stop reading about it. All there is to it. Censorship is for democrats and establishment tools.

It's not the facts that you've stated. It's the preferential treatment the US government gives Israel and the overall lapdog treatment that happens because of the weird religious mentality that surrounds how Israel is treated. I guess you could sum some of that up as Zionism but it seems a bit deeper than just that.

No reason that we shouldn't talk about it and no reason why we should stop. As long as people keep it civil. Seriously I'm getting sick of these "stop talking about (topic) because I'm sick of it" threads. Honestly these threads need to die in a fire and get put into the get banned for posting a "stop talking about (topic)" thread.

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I didn't get as much done today as I wanted.

I blame Israel

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

You are not the Only One

But for most of us it is the Zionists that we blame. And not all Israelis or Jews are Zionists.

Banksters are robbing us blind with inflation so.......not planning to do all that much tomorrow ........just not co-operating with it any more. Try that you might like it!

those other countries don't

those other countries don't shape US foreign policy and public opinion. you can say neither does israel, but it's a distinction without a difference. a segment of the US power structure has primary identity with israel, and helps shape american opinion and policy through their influence. and those who 'talk back' have their careers ended. that is the difference. so simmer down. we don't care anymore about 'corruption' in israel than we do in arabia. we criticize arabia to the extent same extent as israel - to the extent it is unduly influencing our own country's institutions and policies. saudi arabia does so, but much less so. i agree it is over done here, but don't act like it isn't a legit subject.

It's a very real problem, and

It's a very real problem, and those that stick their heads in the sand about it are as smart as ostriches.

This is a red herring. No one

This is a red herring. No one says Israel is uniquely evil. There was South Africa after all, but I digress. The point is that the US has subsidized this one evil state more than any other state for years! We have given it diplomatic immunity for its many war crimes. We have allowed it to enmesh itself in our national security apparatus and to shape our foreign policy. And Israel WAS involved with 9/11. Anyone with half a brain who has explored the evidence knows this is true.

You are a red herring

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Let God Be The Judge

Every individual of the hundreds I've ever met who identifies themselves as Jewish in one way or other has often been a better 'Christian' than most of the individuals I've met who self-identify as Christians.

In this regard I've had an advantage in living in New York. There are as many Jewish Americans as their are Jewish Israelis. The Jews in America are not particularly well distributed throughout the country. It is therefore possible to go your whole life in many parts of the US without meeting a normal person who is Jewish. One's only impression of 'Jews' are these elite celebrity types who are almost always a bunch of degenerates regardless of cultural background.

Let God be the judge for if you are of the belief that Jews constitute some type of 'Chosen People' to bear the Law, then I'm sure the Lord will punish very harshly those who do not live up to that grace and honor. In fact, I am pretty sure that if you are chosen to represent God and instead side with evil forces, your punishment will be more severe than if a 'gentile' did the same.

some people can't distinguished between--

Jews versus Zionists

Muslims versus Terrorists

Christians versus Neo-conservatives

It's easy to fall into the trap of collectivism--

I know the word is overused, but it has so much power over human thought that it needs to be exposed--

collectivism:

: emphasis on collective rather than individual action or identity

If I identify Jews or Israelis by people like Miko Peled and Rabbi Weiss, then I think Jews are really amazing and brilliant and politically wise--though actually Rabbi Dovid is an American Jew--but I still make the point--

If I identify Jews or Israelis by Netanyahu and the man on the street who calls the Orthodox Jews against Zionism ugly names and potty words--

then I think that Jews are arrogant and scary--

It all depends upon whether or not I collectivize--

Unfortunately, a majority of Christians are Zionists who don't care about Jews but love Israel--

Unfortunately, Jews have the same problem that Muslims have; they allow their radical minority to get away with too much--

because they are basically (the majority) just humans trying to survive--

There are so many kinds of Jews, and not all of them share the same political beliefs or values--

there are probably more extremes among Jews than among Christians and Muslims, though, because generally speaking if a person has Christian parents but no longer participates in Christian worship, he/she does not claim to be Christian, but a Jew who has not participated in any kind of religious worship remains a Jew--

as for Muslims, there are more who are religious than secular, but not radical--very moderate people.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Self-Identification

I usually just let people identify themselves rather than put a label on them. America has succeeded to some degree as a melting pot and so there are all sorts of people from all sorts of ancestries to the point that it is no longer possible to even paint identities with a broad brush. Personally, my identity is American and that has been reinforced by travel to other countries.

even if that was the case

It would take too long.

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