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Enough With The Israel Crap.

I GET IT. Israel is corrupt and run by warmongering politicians. I agree.

SO IS THE FREAKING UNITED STATES.

So is Saudi Arabia.

So is literally every single country that is in any way involved with Middle East politics.

Stop acting like Israel is uniquely evil - it's not. The nations surrounding it are just as bad and often worse. That does NOT make Israel good, but I am well and truly sick of constantly getting an earful of how the EVIL JEWS or EVIL ZIONISTS (WTF does that even MEAN?!) or EVIL ISRAELIS are somehow behind every single evil in the past half century.

For the love of all sanity, PLEASE stop blaming EVERY LITTLE THING on Jews/Israelis/Zionism. Please stop acting like Israel is some kind of uniquely horrible evil - it's just another country that's run by crappy politicians, not some unending source of evil spawned in the depths of Hell like some of you keep saying it is.

EDIT

Let me give a clarification. The posts that I'm SICK of hearing are the incessant "Zionists control EVEREHTHENG" posts and the individuals who are CONVINCED there is a massive conspiracy that gives Israel total control over the U.S.

No, there's not a conspiracy. There's a hilariously massive misunderstanding of the Bible, and thus we have evangelical politicians who are going by said misunderstanding - hence Israel's disproportionate effect on U.S. policy.

In short - I will GLADLY criticize Israel. I have never denied, nor will I deny, that it has an outrageously large effect on U.S. policy. But for Heaven's sake, please quit with the half-baked conspiracy theories about the "Zionists" who control everything, somehow. Rewind a hundred years, and see if it makes any sense to have Asians ranting about how the "Westernists" control everything through secret far-reaching conspiracies. Historical coincidence is a more than adequate explanation.

It's a load of crap, and the people who are convinced of a massive conspiracy are looking for someone to blame. Here's my advice - BLAME THE BLOODY POLITICIANS and the crap-for-brains zombies that elected them.

Criticize where you have grounds to criticize. You'll make much more progress that way.

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I just hate Zionists. I love

I just hate Zionists. I love the other 4/5 of the Jewish population.

Yes, unfortunatly

common Jewish people who identify as "Zionist" are typically racist.

These are the Israelis who are fighting tooth and nail to rid their country of black refugees and who advocate occupation of Palestinian lands and campaigns of brutality towards the Palestinian people.

I'm talking about those that

I'm talking about those that live in the USA.

I agree

I been saying this all along. I have no problem with Israel itself, just the leaders who run things. Then i get called a Zionist...

I don't understand attacks on entire groups of people either

“Do unto OTHERS as you would have them do unto you. I’ll tell you this; there are no OTHERS, we are not divided, or separate from each other; we are all One, we are Us, and what we do to Us, we do to ourselves.”
― Martin Suarez

it's not the people

It's their government. Big difference.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

Defining "Zionism" is a tough

thing to do as there are many different views on that term. It's like "Freemasons". My grandfather was a Mason and was a fine man and was not part of the illuminati.

Forgetting labels for the minute, here is my problem. It is the amount of influence Israel has in America. Let me show you what I mean.

Here is a QUOTE from the Israeli spokesperson Tzipora Menache:

"You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can’t criticize Israel…” Tzipora Menache

This is what I am talking about. Do you see my problem?

Yeah

I see your problem is believing this BS.

It's not B.S. Grange

It was captured on video and has been confirmed over and over again. Your in denial Grange.

It was one opinion

So what it was captured on Vid? that doesn't make it so.

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not denial

the grange doesn't want you seeing or looking
hence the opposition to any and all posts
such as this
but do what you want...and have a nice posting day
smiley smiley

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

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I think the OP is absolutely right.

I think the OP is absolutely right.

We should just STOP arguing, or even, mentioning, about Israel's fate ***EITHER WAY***.

I propose we start arguing about ***BELGIUM*** (or... how about LUXEMBURG ?) now !

We could have DECADES OF DOING SO AHEAD OF US !

THAT would make for a change, no ?!

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Yeah

Why are those bastards hogging all the good beer?

“With laws shall our land be built up, but with lawlessness laid waste.”
-Njal Thorgeirsson

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Exactly !

Exactly !

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

interestingly enough

interestingly enough, if you followed whistleblower Sibel Edmonds journey through GALDIO B, Belgium, is a major player in middle east politics (and the heroin trade, and false flag terror attacks) thanks to being host of headquarters for NATO.

You may be on to something here and you don't even know it :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AARtO88G5Ag

I can believe that Europe is . . .

as rotten as the U.S.

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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Okay, thanks. But meh. I was only trying to be random...

Okay, thanks. But meh. I was only trying to be random...

Darn it. Even on that, I miserably fail.

Hmph!

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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Oh well. Whatever.

Oh well. Whatever.

*poof*

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Belgium and Luxembourg

Do Not control 90% of the Western Media.

The Federal Reserve and International Banking.

The Military Industrial complex.

The U.S. Treasury.

Both Houses of Congress.

3 of the 7 seats on the Supreme Court.

And, the President as well.

Not to mention the amount of influence Israel has within the Intelligence agencies...where all the dirty work is done.

Do you see the difference?

Belgium? Luxembourg? Really?

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Sorry for the confusion... I forgot to end my useless comment w/

Sorry for the confusion... I forgot to end my useless comment with:

...

"j/k"

;)

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

some people

Just can't filter serious from sarcastic. I got a good laugh. Especially after reading that the NATO hq is there XD.

Homeland security statement: patriotism is now considered terrorism.
I love www.isidewith.com shared it with everyone I know. If anything they realize its not just a red and blue idiot running for reelection.

I got a chuckle out of it, too--

I get tired of all the talk about Israel, good or bad--

negative or positive; it does seem that most Americans are obsessed with Israel, one way or the other. Most of the Christians in my congregation are very "YAY Israel!"--

And, sadly for ME, though I want to know the truth, the Israelis and Jews *I* admire are those trying to point out the ugly truth about Israel--

leaves me in a lonely place--

so, yes, we all need laughs--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

can somebody definatively define Anti-Zionist for me.

I HONESTLY don't get what ANTI-ZIONIST means. I thought Zionism was more of a political desire to expand Israel's borders.

I know that in places like Malaysia that their entire government is ANTI-ZIONIST.

Why is this offensive?

It is a web of trickery.

Like you mention, the version of "Zionism" which is engrained in the minds of the people is one of a view which advocates a Jewish state and the protection of it. Others who are not at all informed actually relate Zionism to all Jewish people. They believe that all Jews are Zionists, which is not the case at all, and only further poisons the well as I will get to at the end of this post.

In reality, Zionism is a front for the House of Rothschild and is a form of collectivism, on par with Fascism. They use the front of Zionism to advance their neo-colonialist expanses in the middle East and for overall control of populations (think 9/11 and the resulting laws..patriot act, ndaa, etc). The Zionist front exists in multiple key areas of society in all westernized countries and is thus able to manipulate from afar, simultaneously in various regions. In the United States, these key areas of control include but are not limited to: economic control via federal reserve and other large banks, media control (think rupert murdoch) and political control through the lobbying group known as AIPAC.

In this context, one can see how "anti-Zionism" does not equal anti-jewish. In fact, Zionism has less to do with Jewish people and more to do with politics and collectivism. Joe Biden is quoted as having said, "You don't have to be Jewish to be a Zionist" and then proceeded to declare himself a Zionist, which really puts it in perspective. So if the country of Malaysia is "anti-Zionist", this certainly should not be construed as offensive.

The challenge in exposing these people who hide behind the Zionist mask, as one would assume, is the risk of being branded "anti-semetic" or "racist". The Rothschild spawn known as the ADL attacks anyone who is trying to expose this. This is why the equation of all Jews to Zionism perpetuates the lie that one must be a racist if they are opposed to Zionism.

Why not

Just call what you are saying "Rothschild Imperialism" rather than conflate it with the dictionary definition of the word Zionism?

good explanation--

evil elite have always hurt their *own* first--

or allowed their *own* to be hurt (their weak ones) in order to achieve their own goals/desires/designs.

It's a ploy that often works, sadly--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

thanks for the reply Veritas Aequitas

That's what I thought. Anti-Zionist does NOT equal Anti-Jewish. I didn't think it meant Anti-Israel either.

I thought it meant NOT supporting the EXPANSION of Israel. I was beginning to doubt myself after reading a bunch of these posts.

Glad to help.

This notion of Zionism is furthermore complicated by the fact that Ashkenazi Jews, who comprise the large majority of Jewish people are originally from Khazaria. The Khazars were not Semitic people, but Asiatic people, which nullifies the term anti-Semitic as it is applied today.

Therefore to call someone who is racist towards Jews anti-Semitic is thoroughly wrong.

That's not what it means

It means that one believes Israel has a right to exist as a sovreight state, protecting the rights of it's people, not a cog to the UN Agenda.

Most of the UN is anti-zionist.

thanks Granger

I'm confused by your comment. You said that most of the UN is anti-zionist.

That means anti-zionist believe Israel has a right to exist and expand its borders?

Or does it mean anti-zionists believe that Israel does NOT have the right to exist and expand its borders?

Didn't the UN accept Israel with its original borders. I'm including the border thing because that is what I thought the term Zionist meant.

Not so much about protecting the rights of its citizens. That was a forgone conclusion.