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Enough With The Israel Crap.

I GET IT. Israel is corrupt and run by warmongering politicians. I agree.

SO IS THE FREAKING UNITED STATES.

So is Saudi Arabia.

So is literally every single country that is in any way involved with Middle East politics.

Stop acting like Israel is uniquely evil - it's not. The nations surrounding it are just as bad and often worse. That does NOT make Israel good, but I am well and truly sick of constantly getting an earful of how the EVIL JEWS or EVIL ZIONISTS (WTF does that even MEAN?!) or EVIL ISRAELIS are somehow behind every single evil in the past half century.

For the love of all sanity, PLEASE stop blaming EVERY LITTLE THING on Jews/Israelis/Zionism. Please stop acting like Israel is some kind of uniquely horrible evil - it's just another country that's run by crappy politicians, not some unending source of evil spawned in the depths of Hell like some of you keep saying it is.

EDIT

Let me give a clarification. The posts that I'm SICK of hearing are the incessant "Zionists control EVEREHTHENG" posts and the individuals who are CONVINCED there is a massive conspiracy that gives Israel total control over the U.S.

No, there's not a conspiracy. There's a hilariously massive misunderstanding of the Bible, and thus we have evangelical politicians who are going by said misunderstanding - hence Israel's disproportionate effect on U.S. policy.

In short - I will GLADLY criticize Israel. I have never denied, nor will I deny, that it has an outrageously large effect on U.S. policy. But for Heaven's sake, please quit with the half-baked conspiracy theories about the "Zionists" who control everything, somehow. Rewind a hundred years, and see if it makes any sense to have Asians ranting about how the "Westernists" control everything through secret far-reaching conspiracies. Historical coincidence is a more than adequate explanation.

It's a load of crap, and the people who are convinced of a massive conspiracy are looking for someone to blame. Here's my advice - BLAME THE BLOODY POLITICIANS and the crap-for-brains zombies that elected them.

Criticize where you have grounds to criticize. You'll make much more progress that way.



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Cyril's picture

Well, I can try to speak for (AFAIK) France...

Well, I can try to speak for (AFAIK) France...

Watched it at your link, and correct, I don't recall about any French politician (in my lifetime, ayway) having enough "balls" to basically describe the USA as if she were the servile b*tch of France, so that the former be helping to fight and win the wars of the latter.

Thank you, Ben Neat-I-Hate-You, now that was interesting!

Indeed, your link left me speechless for 5 good minutes after watching.

If what Ben alluded to, obnoxiously, on what America is EXPECTED to do - WAR! - on behalf of Israel, isn't insulting for the American people, I have no idea what could ever be!

P.S.
But, in the strict sense, I wish we could distinguish better and more often between a country's people and their sociopathic leaders; at worst, the rotten leaders only reflect a "majority" (more or less made up) of the apathetic or immoral people. It is never, by any means, all of the people, evidently.

But it is quite insulting also, you and I and millions other americans have to waste so much time on arguing with each other on the "exceptional" peculiarity of THAT country.

What the heck is so special about THAT ONE, and not, say, Belgium?

Meh. I know. It's just a rhetorical question. It's "special" only because it is oh soooo convenient for a corrupt Congress and Senate to have it so.

Isn't it?

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Although I do believe

there truly are SOME anti-Jews, I do agree with those anti-zionist posters concerning dual citizens holding high US political positions...and...the Israeli attack of the USS Liberty, not to mention wanting the truth about the incident to become common knowledge.

I also agree with anti-zionist posters who have issues with Israel-firsters, especially if said Israel-firsters are US citizens. I'm a USA-firster! Although I rarely comment in this type of thread and have not ever started such a thread, I felt compelled to comment here...

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It's not always Israel fault ...

but you must admit the other corrupt govts you mentioned don't run our foreign policy like the Zionist jews of Israel do (aipac). Who is behind the gun grab agenda, how about the tsa or the gay agenda, again all massively pushed by who...Zionist jews, sorry to say but they are uniquely evel. Who runs Hollywood and the Fed, Are the Rothschilds Saudis...No. Might as well call this country the Jewnited states of Amerika.

deacon's picture

so basically

a post is made because we need to stop something
but offers no proof as to why
did I get the gist of it?
want people on the same page?
Offer reasons why,offer proof,offer something of value
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

rpscallion's picture

So what.

Does this justify hating the entire nationality and anyone Jewish as so many here recently seem to?

Some here are obsessed with Israel and Zionism. So obsessed it has become total race hate. Just as ignorant as the voters and party-stupid people mindlessly joining USA USA USA chants.

It's as if they closed down some neo-nazi web hangout and all of those degenerates piled in here lately.

I just hate Zionism. I love

I just hate Zionism. I love the other 4/5 of the Jewish population.

You make a good point but...

My lord,

In all the word there exist but one Country that is destroying this great land and that is Israel. She has the power to destroy this Country and has used that power to enslave both Jew and Gentile in this once great land.

That is why so many speak of Israel on this site and most every other site where there is freedom to speak.

So poweful indeed

"She has the power to destroy this Country and has used that power to enslave both Jew and Gentile in this once great land."

How exactly since they appear to me to be completely dependent on the United States?

Who was destroying this great land before 1948 or was everything totally perfect and harmonious in the world prior to the emergence of the state of Israel?

Anti-semites can't stop.

They need to get a chick or something to keep them occupied. Because when all you have is hating Jews, those are the lenses through which they see everything.

Yeah

and maybe that chick could be Jewish? In fact, simply befriending people who identify as Jewish might be nice. Personally I have met and befriended hundreds of people who identify themselves as Jewish and I have not found a single stereotype. I have found people who are extremely kind, rational, and open minded. Most all of them would give me the coat off their back.

Then again, I tend to like to interact with normal people who have unremarkable careers. I tend to not be friends with too much high power CEOs, lawless attorneys, fraudulent banksters, media empire manipulators and the like.

If I only had to judge based on 'celebrities', I'd judge negatively but that would go for anyone of any culture or faith in those positions. They are mostly morally bankrupt. Ron Paul is one of the few public figures I've ever know who does not follow the typically corrupt model.

Agreed. Let's focus on restoring the USA, please...

Let's focus on ending all foreign aid.

That works for everyone, right?

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Bump for the strongest agreement

I can give! (..Enough!)and thanks to NCforPaul for stating the point better than I could!

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We believe in Freedom of Speech

Unless we don't like it. What hypocrisy! I'm not going to stop. The least of my concerns are whether or not someone like any of you like it or not--tough!

I'm for stopping all aid, and the biggest recipient over the last 50 years is Israel, by far. If we can accomplish stopping aid to Israel, stopping aid to these other places will be a piece of cake.

Please share with all friends on Facebook--thank you!

http://stoptheblankcheck.org/

P.S. I'm sure Dr. Paul isn't going to stop talking about it either. You all post whatever you want. I'll post what I want, and what the media doesn't speak of.

Neither Lawman jed nor I suggested any such thing

and we are both for stopping all aid to every nation. NC for Paul seems to agree on this as well. Granted, to tell everyone to 'shut up' on the Israel issue was a huge mistake, but I read between the lines and saw what was really being communicated: If we can't have a reasoned conversation, and if one side of a debate is always considered wrong (and piled on with downvotes), then we are the losers.

Personally, I think it may be easier to cut aid to some of the little fish first, but I am with you, if we can cut it all off, all people from every nation would be better off. (And that includes the people in all nations who do not benefit at all from the military 'aid' we give, as we use it to control the foreign policy of nations as if they were puppets)

Or should only Israel receive the benefits of determining their own foreign policy, with out the weight of bribes given to prevent peace treaties!

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

The Empire is Coming to an End

The US govt has the chance to either gracefully exit its world empire or lose it in chaos and bankruptcy. It seems to be on a solid course of running into a brick wall at full speed.

Israel can not defend itself from its enemies without US backup unless it radically changes its policies. There are many re-allocations that must take place organically that are being blocked by the Empire. When it falls in an orderly or chaotic fashion, the Israeli government will be forced to answer grievances and peace will come finally to the Middle East. It is actually the US empire and the lack of a counter-balancing USSR empire that has brought things to this total lack of balance.

It is the US Government that dictates Israel's (and other ME ...

countries as well) foreign policy: Ron Paul himself in the Revolution, A Manifesto states in his chapter on foreign policy among other things:

We infringe on Israel's sovereignty!, telling them who they may or may not negotiate for peace with. (You have to negotiate with the PA {or Hamas}, you may not negotiate with Syria!, This specific example is mentioned by Ron Paul in another place)

We are economically hurting Israel, (and other nations in the ME, by extension) by giving them aid. Israel's Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in Jerusalem has come to the same conclusion, and RP quotes them on page 35 of The Revolution

"Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the office of a thoroughly nasty business concern." ~~C.S. Lewis
Love won! Deliverance from Tyranny is on the way! Col. 2:13-15

Yes!

I completely agree with that!

Here is a good commentary from "Behind the Lines: Israeli Libertarian" blog which touches on the same theme:

Questions for The Republican Jewish Coalition