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Can an Evangelical Christian please explain the obsession and servitude towards Israel

Im being serious and non-Sarcastic.

I really want to know why certain Christians are so obsessed about bowing down to Israel and Jews? It would just seem to me that the people who denied Jesus to the point they helped Crucify him wouldn't be so high up on the "Favorites List"

and if we were to play this out in Biblical chronological order it would seem like the Jews are anticipating the coming of the Anti-Christ as there Messiah since they rejected Jesus as such. So besides indoctrination and propaganda is there any other reason why Christians see no wrong in Israel and Jews?

by the way I don't have nothing against Jews, I judge people on Character not labels but the idea that Israel and Jews can do no harm and can never be criticized is absolutely ridiculous and detrimental to peace and cooperation with one another.

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Kind of like a bipolar mindset.

First, they grab hold of the verse, "I will bless those who bless you, and him who curses you I will curse." Then, they say that God's law is no longer relevant, so they don't have to obey it. No one even pays any attention to the verses that connect obedience with blessings.

Also, a small technicality, but I have looked in a few different versions, and the above verse says "him" in each of them. That is not a generality, but a reference to a specific person.

The caveat is that my view would only be valid to those who hold as true, the Scriptures that contain the word "forever."

I see this obsession with trying to get something for nothing, a common weakness of humans.

wow

You connected something that i had never realized....

1.) An Old Testament promise given to Abraham (not Israel) is used for bassis of US foreign policy.

2.) Old Testament is to otherwise be ignored because we have NT now (except for #1)

3.) New Testament requires acceptance of Jesus, unless you are a Jew (they are allowed to follow #2).

4.) Any Christian today who follows Old Testament principles is called legalistic or booed (Golden Rule in the debate). But #1 is fully supported.

WOW

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"Can an Evangelical Christian please explain the obsession and servitude towards Israel"

Suffice it so say, I believe this has been a great perversion of protestant faith in recent decades. I will leave it to Chuck Baldwin to explain the details...

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin759.htm

http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin423.htm

It's a huge problem

because conservatives don't put America first any more. So we've not only lost the country to the left and to domestic statism, but much of the side that's supposed to be against all that is more concerned with the well being and dominance of a foreign nation and bringing this country into more wars for it.

THE MERCHANT OF VENICE by William Shakespeare

But the Early church wasn't to fussy about condemning all jews for the sins of a few.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBCPeqla5bE

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Govts. & TPTB have co-opted religion.

Does our tax money go to the Jesuits? Whistle-blower Karen Hudes says "yes." Religions have been compromised by money.

Go to the 11:10 mark of this interview with Karen Hudes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P8pZvpzRis#t=690

Israel has the best hip-hop

Israel has the best hip-hop, the best beaches and the world's tallest mountains...

That Bernie Sanders impression is awesome

SNL isn't the same without those guys

we are taught early that

we are taught early that Israel is Gods chosen people. As I have come to find out, those in Israel calling themselves Isrealites or jews are not. Revelation 2:9.

Perversion of power and money.

The head pervert being the Jewish Zionist ROthschild that runs the false national debts slave central banks is the private owner of IzUnReal as well as the USA England Germany and most every so called country.

Its about who has the money. Churches are allowed tax exempt status as long as they support the Zionist criminals.

God forbid they preach against the zionist agenda the IRS comes a callin.

The Rothschild criminal empire is failing and so will the zionist agenda of genocide and false debt slavery.

sovereign

Israeli chicks are hot.

Also the U.S. has an obligation to its ally in the middle east or something.

It was probably the pandas.

Our very own Pastor Steve Anderson

Infamous for his non-cooperation at the Nazi checkpoints, explains it here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zKUrRx7Xf4

thanks

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Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

Did you seriously just say

Did you seriously just say that Jews are anticipating the coming of the anti-Christ? What is wrong with you? That is just so absurd and off the wall.

Actually...

The comment isn't very absurd. I don't think you understood what he was saying at all. There are a large number of Jews who believe Jesus was not the Messiah and are waiting for the coming of the Messiah. (This should be obvious to everyone.) The Christian standpoint is clearly that Jesus was/is the Messiah. Anyone who has read the Bible knows the order of things - so, the anti-Christ (which is a heavily debatable term depending upon what you're actually referring to and what the Bible actually says) will arrive and deceive many of these people who are waiting for 'their messiah', because they believe it is not Jesus.

Thus, that statement is not 'off the wall.' From that standpoint, some Jews are essentially anticipating the coming of the anti-Christ, because clearly they do not believe Jesus is the true Christ. When one arrives with all of the signs they are looking for, they will believe that is the Christ (though it won't be.) So, no, they are not 'purposefully' waiting for the anti-Christ. But from the Christian standpoint, if they don't believe Jesus is the Christ, then clearly they are/will be anticipating/accepting of a false christ - because they deny Jesus.

And that is the expanded version of the Christian viewpoint that I'm certain was expected to be understood by everyone in the first place.

For whatever reason those

For whatever reason those that control the money printing, and media, are primarily Jewish. American gentiles need both money and the media to get in political positions of power that they covet. This is all the explanation needed of why powerful gentiles do what the power jews want.

What the powerful jews believe is, the superiority of themselves. They look down on all others in a racist way. They even look down on poor jews. Basically you garden variety rich guy superiority complex, which is present in all races.

The average evangelical Joe Sixpack has been fed a false interpretation of biblical scriptures, in order to get them to go along with what the gentile politicians are told to accomplish by their money masters. Basically the whole damn world is like the TV show "Game of thrones".

Jews are supposed to be the chosen people, which evangelicals incorrectly equate to Israel and it's citizens. Can anyone with half a brain that understands the teachings of Christ really think that Israelis are God's favorite people, and the rest of us are screwed, or are at least less loved by God?

There are reasons the bible makes references to churches as the "synagogues of satan". Most of the supposed christians out there are not actually saved. The churches by and large have become perverted. You might as well stay home on sundays and watch football, have a quick moment praying, and you would be better off.

Your first sentence was important yet glossed over

quote: "For whatever reason those that control the money printing, and media, are primarily Jewish."

There is a very important reason. The head counterfeiter, false national debt creater who has the money digitized keyboard and unlimited funds is running a huge six hundred year multi generational scam upon humanity. The Rothschild family of jew, zionist, who own the private NON state of IzUnReal are controlling the false debt slave farm of earth.

If the head crime family of humanity were pig worshipers they would have their pig worshiping agents controlling governments, media, the monitory system etc.

Follow the money all trails lead to only one name in humanity. They use dummies in religion to promote some elitist agenda.

The reason is very important to note because that is the way to recognize the head of the snake.

sovereign

Chosen People

Everyone wants to be the CHOSEN ONES. Many will settle for being associated with "chosen people". Many cultures consider themselves chosen. The names of the numerous Native American tribes for instance in their own tongue will mean something like... the first people, the people, the only people, the best people and so forth. Its only normal.

God forgives always. Man forgives sometimes. But Nature never forgives.

I have to correct something important that gets kicked around

The jews have rejected Jesus the messiah just as the ENTIRE WORLD has rejected Jesus the messiah. It is foolish to believe that there isn't a single Christian in Israel just as it is foolish to think that there isn't a single Christian here in the US. (for those still having a hard time grasping this concept look up Jews for Jesus)

Man has always rejected God, this isn't new. Man has also fallen short of the glory of God. That is why he sent His son.

God has consistently worked through the Jews and the nation of Israel from the beginning to the end of the Earth. It only takes a little study in the bible to figure this out. This is in the KJV as well for those that insist on pointing to Scofield.

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In short they think God will fight for Israel

The misunderstanding is that Israel will be saved but it is not physical Israel, it is Spiritual Israel. Subsequently they think that if we do not support Israel then we will suffer destruction.

Supporting Israel wouldn't be a bad thing if they were righteous and kept Gods Law but as we know the state of Israel is not Godly. God annulled the covenant with physical Israel and expanded it to Spiritual Israel which consists of everyone who "Keeps the testimony of Yahshua Messiah and keeps the Commandments of Yah."

Israel was God's chosen people to carry the oracles of His Covenant and for that they were blessed but they continually broke His Covenant. Since He hates divorce their was only one option and that was for Him to die so the covenant would be annulled. So He became flesh and when He died physically He was legally released from the physical covenant and simultaneously was the sacrifice for the institution of the Spiritual covenant.

We do not need to support the state of Israel. It is spiritual Israel that we should support. If Israel were righteous and holy then they wouldn't need our support because God would be with them. If not then why would we support their disobedience?

Yes; great answer. They

Yes; great answer. They conflate the family of God with the government of Israel. As for WHY...my guess would be some sort of deliberate brainwashing. As a (formerly evangelical) Christian myself, I can say with certainty there is brainwashing, the guess work comes in whether it is deliberate - and why.

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Very well said.

This is the correct

This is the correct answer.

It is what they are taught.

This concept of saving other people to save yourself is the best reason for reading (or listening to) Murray. So that you understand how the world works.

Christians don't cleave to Israel because the like Israelis.

Most if given a gun and two 'rag heads' would be hard pressed who to shoot.

Christians are a subject meme.

*liberty Christians are not of course, liberty Christians are their own beautiful thing, and are ensuring Christianity will exist. They love the beauty of the tradition. For this I love them.

Can you please reply with actual text from the scriptures

You have quite a well thought out response but I am afraid that this is where Christians that want to fit the bible into their worldview often go wrong.

Just answer this as you believe Israel is an exceptional case when it comes to Christs salvation. When has God EVER forsaken Israel in the bible even when they chose to go against or even doubt his command? Of course I talk of Israel as a lineage of Abraham, David, and so on though we might be able to argue for the state as well.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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www.ivaw.org/operation-recovery - Stop Deploying Traumatized Troops

Numbers 14:41-45

1 Samuel 12:9-15, Jeremiah 3:8, 17:4, 2 Kings 17:19-, 2 Kings 21:14,15, 2 Kings 24:9-, Deut 31:16,17, Deut 35:18,

These should get you started but seriously if you read the Old Testament you will see that it is full of examples of Israel's disobedience and being forsaken because of it. But they always forsake HIM first.

Here is one reason from the KJV

Genesis 12:2-3
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
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Yes, most evangelicals try to

Yes, most evangelicals try to apply this verse about Abraham to the government of Israel, with predictably disastrous results.

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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

What BaneMaler said.

Those of us who take the Bible at its word consider blessing Israel to in turn lead to our own blessing.

The main problem is that many evangelicals mistake foreign aid as a blessing and don't see it for the curse that it actually is.

Something else that they fail to recognize is that the Jewish state and government is not necessarily one and the same with the Jewish nation.

Mostly it is because they have been taught

That the Jewish were Gods chosen people without realizing they were
chosen to be priests tell about Jesus coming and grace instead of the law.
To explain it much better you should really listen to
Khazar DNA & the Great Serpent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drErjw5De0o
and Conspiracy of the Six Pointed Star http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbVqmyokGVY

Latin America Is Almost ALL Christian And They Would Laugh

Latin America Is Almost ALL Christian And They Would Laugh.

I am amazed so many people in The United States who have not lived abroad don't know this:

Latin America - as an example of The Vast Majority Of The American Continent - is mostly Christian.

However, Latin Americans DO NOT call themselves "Judeo-Christians", their politicians who wish to run for President DO NOT go to Israel to "kiss" ____ (The Wailing Wall) and if you called yourself "Judeo-Christian" and judged your politicians based on their "alliance" or lack theeof to Israel, PEOPLE WOULD LAUGH AT YOU and probably think you are crazy, and if you used such antics to run for The Office Of President YOU WOULD LOSE BY REASON OF UNKNOWN INSANITY and be looked upon as a crazy fanatic member of a wierd Cult NOBODY OVER THERE HAS EVER HEARD OF.

Ask Christians in other countries if they are Judeo-Christians and see the reaction you get.

WTF???

YUP.

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