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Can an Evangelical Christian please explain the obsession and servitude towards Israel

Im being serious and non-Sarcastic.

I really want to know why certain Christians are so obsessed about bowing down to Israel and Jews? It would just seem to me that the people who denied Jesus to the point they helped Crucify him wouldn't be so high up on the "Favorites List"

and if we were to play this out in Biblical chronological order it would seem like the Jews are anticipating the coming of the Anti-Christ as there Messiah since they rejected Jesus as such. So besides indoctrination and propaganda is there any other reason why Christians see no wrong in Israel and Jews?

by the way I don't have nothing against Jews, I judge people on Character not labels but the idea that Israel and Jews can do no harm and can never be criticized is absolutely ridiculous and detrimental to peace and cooperation with one another.



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In short, because the

In short, because the Rothchilds where smart enough to name the land they bought Israel because they knew that they could do whatever they wanted there, and the largely christian west would cheer them on, believing biblical prophesy was coming to pass. Yet another case of political elites using religion to dupe dumb people into giving a pass to tyranny.

The Bible(scofield) has been Changed in the Last 100 Years

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More mysticism parading as reality.

Like so much else about Christianity the myth that the Jews had the Romans kill Jesuah the minister is a total fabrication reported in the gospels by evil men who had to glorify the Roman crucifixion of a trouble maker by the Romans, and for the Romans by denying it was the Romans who killed him and blamed it on the Jews.

The Jews had nothing to do with it. Jesuah was a Jewish minister who played the game of messiah-ship so well that it got him killed. The Jews didn't want him dead. He was tried, convicted and crucified for sedition against the Roman state.

The Jews killed their trouble makers by stoning. It was against Roman law for its conquered peoples to crucify anyone.

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Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

It is in the plan and purpose of God.

The simplest answer to the question of "why certain Christians are so obsessed about bowing down to Israel and Jews" is that God has sent them a strong delusion because they refused to believe the truth.

2 Thessalonians 2:11 "Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false, 2:12 in order that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

This is why Christian Zionists (of whom I was one until my eyes were opened) are so convinced about the role of Israel in the "end times" prophecy scenario that is promoted by the religious hucksters who are also no doubt deceived themselves.

Up until 1948 there was a growing community of Christians who had embraced the "futurist" eschatological doctrine the first version of which was published in 1810/11 by Manuel Lacunza, a Chilean Jesuit priest, in his book ""La venida del Mesías en gloria y majestad" under the Jewish pseudonym of Rabbi Juan Josaphat ben-Ezra.

This book was then translated into English and published by the Scottish clergyman Edward Irving in 1827 as "The Coming of the Messiah". These ideas were then expanded into the Dispensationalist doctrine of John Nelson Derby, a leader in the Plymouth Brethren movement, who influenced, amongst others, the American clergyman Cyrus I. Scofield. Scofield then wrote and first published his "Scofield Reference Bible" in 1909 through the Oxford University Press, a prestigious publishing house, with the assistance of Samuel Untermeyer, a New York lawyer and keen Jewish Zionist.

The Scofield Reference Bible and the ideas promoted in it were very influential in popularising the futurist eschatological doctrine taught by most evangelical and fundamentalist churches all over the world today. The critical issue I believe is that Dispensationalism emphasizes the distinctions between the New Testament Church and ancient Israel of the Old Testament. Those who believe that they are dealt with separately by God are very vehemently opposed to so called replacement theology that teaches that the Church "replaces" ancient Israel in the plan and purpose of God.

Most evangelical Christians today believe that the Jewish State in Palestine is the biblical Israel now regathered to their "Promised Land" and that the Abrahamic covenant applies to them as God's "Chosen People" and that everyone MUST bless this "Israel" if they wish to receive God's blessings. This is why the American Christian Zionists insist that their government MUST support Israel.

In 1948, when the Jewish Zionists in Palestine set up their State and forced an estimated one million Palestinians to leave their homes, the Christian Zionists celebrated the event and believed that this was the beginning of a seven year period that would end with the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. They were of course disappointed in this expectation but nevertheless, adjusting their doctrine to fit the new reality, they continued to believe that the Jewish State was indeed the regathering of the biblical Israel and that they must support everything the Zionists did, no matter how cruel, unlawful or bizarre.

At the same time as the Jewish Zionists were forcing Palestinians to leave their homes and flee in the Spring of 1948, at a small Bible College in Saskatchewan Canada, something else was happening. Here is a testimony from a Canadian man, George Warnock, who was present at this event:

"Shortly after this we heard about a move of God starting up in Saskatchewan, in my old hometown. It was a time of great spiritual dearth, and many of God’s people in many places had been earnestly seeking the Lord for revival. In North Battleford a small Bible College had been formed, and the faculty and students alike were constrained in earnest prayer and fasting to seek the Lord for a fresh move of God.

This went on for months and in the Spring of 1948 the Lord began to move very sovereignly in "prophecy and the laying on of hands" - with the impartation of gifts and ministries of the Spirit. Then we heard that a Camp Meeting was scheduled for July and some of us in Lethbridge felt to be there. We were not to be disappointed. There was a great emphasis not only in prophecy and other gifts of the Spirit but we were greatly impacted by the evident presence of the Spirit, the anointed Word in teaching, and the spontaneous prophetic utterances that came forth. It was a corporate anointing - with the Spirit Himself very much in control. The people as well as the leadership were participants in this fresh anointing.

To myself and many others it was a new day dawning. A day in which the Lord would unfold Truth in a new dimension, for the edifying of the body of Christ. The revival had started in February of 1948, in what was known as Sharon Bible College, and now it was early July. In those 4 or 5 months the word had gone far and wide, and there were probably six or seven hundred people there from different parts of Canada and the USA. The "order" of the Spirit prevailed, and there was much love among the brethren. It was a new visitation and in the days and years to come, many thousands would be refreshed and changed as they discovered new vision and new hope in what God was doing and would yet do in the earth. The Word became "alive." The worship was spontaneous, as those who had long panted for the living waters found new hope and new reality in God.

A few months later, at the request of one of the leaders…I was invited to come and work with them…particularly in the office answering the mail that started to pour in from different parts of Canada and the USA and other countries. I enjoyed those times, and have no regrets for having worked there those four years or so, in what I would call a "deacon" capacity…helping out where I could…ministering at times in the local church…or in the Bible College. It was during that time that I wrote the book "Feast of Tabernacles," which was inspired in part by what one of the young prophets had said in one of his classes; "This feast is still in the future." It was this key that started my own research into this great Feast, and I was aware of much anointing as I wrote about it.

But after a few years I was becoming more and more aware that the Spirit of God no longer hovered over us as He once did. Several others felt the same way. God forbid that I should attach any blame to anyone…He alone is the Judge. Perhaps all of us who were involved, were responsible in one way or another, for causing the Holy Dove of God’s Spirit to be grieved. I knew I must leave…but I never lost confidence in what God had done, and would yet do…when a new generation would earnestly seek the Lord to come again, and set up His habitation in the midst of His people."

Here is a link to the book that George wrote that has been very influential in some parts of the Body of Christ: http://georgewarnock.com/feast-main.html

As so often happens, the most important revelations given by the Holy Spirit at this time were rejected by the established churches and others ended in the flesh. The primary reason for this rejection by the churches was that the revelations contradicted some of the more cherished dogma in the churches and in the case of the futurist doctrine there was a conflict in the revelations with that teaching which was by then quite entrenched in the minds of Christian leaders.

So it was that God sent them a strong delusion that they might believe what was false because they had rejected the truth. This is why these beliefs have such a powerful hold on the modern Christian churches; they are from God.

Here is another view of why the present Jewish State has been allowed to arise in Palestine:

http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/the-s...

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

The Scofield Bible,

doomsday prophets like John Hagee and Hal Lindsey, and half hour infomercials with Joe Lieberman urging Christian viewers to donate money to help Russian jews emigrate to Israel (read: help usher in the return of Jesus)

Also this from Genesis 12:3 - "And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that curseth thee; and in thee shall all nations of the earth be blessed," is often repeated as justification for complete subservience to Israel.

At least, that's what pushed many of the Christians I know to "Christian Zionism".

I'm agnostic, but family is Christian.

From their perspective, the Bible basically indicates that whichever nations support Israel will receive God's favor. Also, the obvious Christian VS Muslim feud helps fuel support for Israel.

Wolves in Sheep Clothing

How it was explained to me - in the Bible's account of the end of the world (Armageddon) the war is between those that believe in Jesus and those that don't. The only "religion" that does not believe in Jesus are the Jews. Even Muslims recognize Jesus as a prophet, just not the only prophet. I think the Jews claiming they are Gods chosen people have swayed a lot of Christians. My bible says I am God’s chosen.

Wrong

The Muslims TOO have rejected Jesus, just as all men unless they be called Christians aka followers of Christ the Messiah.

Don't get it twisted.

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You made an interesting point

My belief is that the Anti-Christ will come from Israel. Satan's Ultimate payback would be using "God's people" against God and the World. Though they are not God's people anymore, and Christ said Himself, Abraham's Heirs are those who believe in Him, Jew or Gentile.

The worst part is that the Jewish Elders knew for a fact Christ was the Messiah, and they kept that information from the people and killed Him to keep that information suppressed.

It would not be so far fetched to see them embrace Satan as their Messiah.

Roots of Christian Zionism

Investigate Cyrus Scofield & Jacob Untermeyer connection in creation of perverted Scofield Bible.


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Christian Zionists drove me away from Christianity

That's why I am now a Muslim.

"Jacob" Untermeyer?

I believe it was actually Samuel Untermeyer who helped Scofield to publish his Reference Bible with the Oxford University Press. Samuel Untermeyer was an ardent Zionist and also a member of the Lotos Club. I believe he also sponsored Scofield into that very exclusive establishment.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Oops...Samuel

Thx for correcting....it was Samuel Untermeyer, alright.

I got first name mixed up with another one of his contemporary Zionist, and almost a partner in crime Jacob Schiff. (No relation to Peter's dad Irwin Schiff in jail right now. This was the older Jacob Schiff who sponsored Leon Trotsky, Bolshevik revolution & Japan's resistance against Tsar of Russia. As well as early player in founding of Federal Reserve, association with Paul Warburg etc.) Granted Jacob Schiff didn't have anything directly to do with Scofield. But unfortunately I got first names mixed up with Samuel Untermeyer, because both of them were active with their mischief around the same time.

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Whew, you spelled ridiculous

Whew, you spelled ridiculous correctly.

BTW, the Christian "obsession and servitude towards Israel" is just that - ridiculous.

Brainwashing, pure and simple.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

I have been a disciple of Jesus Christ

for 25 years and have studied God's Word for the same amount of time. Those are my credentials.

First - the Jews may have been the vehicle that put Christ on the cross but in reality it is our sin that required the sacrifice made by God to rectify man's transgressions (started with Adam - inherited by all of us).

There is a verse in the Bible where God is speaking to Abram:

Genesis 12:2-4

2 "I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

Many Christians today take that promise and selfishly (IMHO) apply it to Israel today allowing carte-blanche acceptance of everything done by the Israeli leadership. A blind eye is turned to the fact that Israel is a secular nation and involved in as many non-godly pursuits as the United States. Why? To be blessed by God.

As a Christian, this mindset is patently wrong and not biblical.

The fact remains that the nation of Israel - the people descended from Abram - are the apple of God's eye. He made many promises to Israel that have yet to be fulfilled. When Jesus Christ came the first time He came for the Jew's redemption first. IF the Jews had accepted Jesus Christ as their Messiah the first time He came things would have been quite different. The apostle Paul tells us that we should be grateful to the Jews for their rejection of the Messiah because then redemption was transferred to the Gentiles, the group we call the Church (Romans 11:25-36).

The reason we believe in the rapture has nothing to do with how wonderful we are but rather how wonderful Christ is. He saw God's wrath at the Cross - ONCE AND FOR ALL - and will not see God's wrath a second time. That is why the Church (the body of Christ) is to be removed before the last 7 years of human history plays out. This last time period will involve the pouring out of God's wrath - the just desserts on an unrepentant world - AND His fulfilling His promises made to Israel way back when. Israel will be redeemed and will finally accept Jesus Christ as her Messiah. God's promises are true, His timing is perfect, He will finish what He started.

Here is a good article that helps explain what is happening in the church today:
NOT ALL ISRAEL, IS ISRAEL
http://www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave318.htm

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I read the article by Dave Daubenmire that you linked to. The observations that he makes about the present day Jews not being all genealogically descended from the sons of Jacob are true since many were added to the ancient israelites and became Jews by conversion even in the days of the old covenant.

He is missing the mark entirely however in believing that it is only pure physical genetic descent that counts in God's eyes to qualify one as a Jew or an Israelite. Even in the physical bloodline of the Lord Jesus Christ we find at least two Gentiles, Rahab the prostitute who helped the two spies in Jericho, and Ruth, the Moabitess who married Boaz, the great-grandfather of King David, the man after God's own heart. There is a reason why these were included by the Father in His Son's genealogy. To refute the kind of error promoted by Dave Daubenmire.

The fundamental qualification for acceptance into the family of God is now and always has been, from the beginning, FAITH in the WORD of God. "So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." (Romans 10:17)

The only way to be joined to the Lord Jesus Christ is through faith in His atoning blood. That is the bloodline that matters, whether for Jew or for Gentile. The process of becoming a fully mature son of God then begins. The word translated "adoption" in our bibles does not mean the same thing as the word we use in English which signifies that one is brought into a family from outside and is only legally part of the family but never shares the same bloodline. In the case of the Body of Christ one is born into the family of God and shares the same bloodline, the same Life as God. The Greek word for the adopted son is "huios" which signifies a position in the family as a mature son who now knows his Father's mind and ways and can be trusted to do His will at all times.

Jacob only reached that position when he wrestled with the "man" at the Jabbok and afterwards received the name of Israel, the name given to fully mature sons of God. This is a spiritual journey into the image of God we are on and has nothing at all to do with physical lineage. That was the apostle's message when he said that not all Israel are Israel. It is not the physical Israel who are Israel but those who have followed the appointed way into the image of God.

Here are a couple of small books on the subject that will help to clear up any confusion:

Who is a Jew?: http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/who-i...

Who is an Israelite?: http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.net/teachings/books/who-i...

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David-- thank you...such a joy to read the TRUTH.

Hi David,

I have a few here on DP that I truly love to read their comments/posts and you my dear brother are definitely one of them.
Everything you wrote...was straight from the throne of Heaven.

How refreshing to hear such a CLEAR word....truly you are one of the Lord's trumpet's.
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His continued blessings upon you & your family!

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It might be really interesting for you

to do a really deep research job on The Scofield Bible.
It's a really tangled web, but fascinating.
Because there is a large disinformation campaign about this topic, I urge you not to use Wiki, and use more impartial sites instead.
Happy researching!

Interesting...

Interesting...

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here is a question for some here

or maybe a couple
the book of genesis and adam and eve,cain killed abel
leaving just 3 people,how were the rest of gods chosen
born?
did their offspring not mentioned in the bible,have incest
to create more of gods chosen?

noah and the ark,same question
did noah sleep with his daughters to create more of them?
noahs ark,if the only people left were noah and his family after the flood,where did the rest of the people come from? like say the chinese,japanese, the brown people,the not so brown people
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

It's not weird at all

Adam and Eve had many other sons and daughters that the Bible didn't mention. And up to the time of Moses (about 2000 BC) it wasn't illegal to marry your brothers or sisters. Marrying your brothers or sisters was not incest until God gave the law at the time of Moses.

Anyway, all the people on the earth were destroyed by the flood. Noah, his wife, his three sons and their wives were saved. Today all ethnicity came from the three sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Read Genesis Ch10 and 11, and it traces the root of all the people on earth back to the three sons of Noah.

Your point is good

What I will say won't change it completely, but you said something that people say a lot and it annoys me.

People say that "if Cain killed Abel" then we all come from Cain. Actually, the Bible specifically mentions a ton of other children of Adam and Eve. I think the next son after Cain and Abel was Seth?
Anyway, so there was still incest or whatever, but there were all these other kids too.

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so sorry

an honest question annoys you
it all wasn't incest,cain moved out of town,created his own,bred with other people,so that would suggest that either the creator created every person,or he just created the ones who lived in eden
there is no but that there were all these other children,there can't be
as they were all related,unless you mean the other peoples in the lands
but thanks for the input
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

hope this helps

In regards to your question regarding where did all the people come...

I've taken this from the margin commentary found within the Amplified Bible, it states "C.H. Dodd(cited by Adam Clark, The Holy Bible with A Commentary) shows that it would have been possible for Adam and Eve, in the more than 100 years he estimates may have elapsed since their union, to have had over 32,000 descendants at the time of Cain went to Nod, all of them having sprung from Cain and Able, who married their sisters."

Hmmm, interesting.

Deacon, I just wanted to tell you that I think it is wonderful that you ask questions...I'm sorry that you have received some snarky & even some harsh replies.

The Lord bless you.

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thanks for your comments

I believe the bibles we use today are altered
the reason i say this the Nicene creed,this one deal,took vast amounts of
chapters,and books out of the bible
I do have the missing books of the bible,but who's to say this makes it compete
to ask questions is the beginning of wisdom,and the start of more knowledge
I have learned long ago,not to put faith in man,family members can be great
learning tool in this area
No need to worry about how people comment to questions,even the way they comment,if one keeps an open mind,one can learn
around age 10 asked our pastor about the wheel within a wheel,to me it sounded like a space craft of some sort,the a while later i read of jacobs ladder,and i had this thought "would spirits/angels need a ladder"
when i asked about this,the pastor asked my parents to keep me out of his sunday school classroom,it wasn't because i didn't accept his response
as he didn't give one.
years later after marriage,we found a pentecostal church, I asked the elders about why they celebrate easter and christmas,seeing these to me are pagan holidays,they even celebrated Halloween )their version of it)
we moved into the only house that came up after 6 months of looking,the pastor came over to BLESS US,he flat out told me "you have sin in your life,and this is why you have been placed where you are"
The house sits in what used to be gang/crack head central in town
So I told him,"what about them missionaries who get killed.beheaded ect ect on trips,does this mean they had sin also,and god is punishing them?"
I was part of the honor bound class in the same church,one of the leaders
a multi millionaire headed it up,he told his class,that there are different classes of people,the poor were there to give them a lesson in life,but the rich,had already learned them,and god blessed them,he also went on to say,that when people ask him for help (money) he asks them if they went to their family first,then the gov,then charity and it proved fruitless,then he would think about helping them...now this goes against the bible,as the church is supposed to help one another
just a bit about me,hope you don't mind the read
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

I loved "the read" :)

Hey Deacon--I really enjoyed reading all that you shared...it made me smile...you are a gift.

Wow--that is so cool that at 10 yrs. of age you were asking questions about the "wheel within the wheel"....that's deep....and reveals that the Holy Spirit within you was calling you even then INTO the deeper waters of His truth....for deep calls unto deep. Praise Him!

My understanding of scripture does not come from reading it through a *literal* lens, but through the lens of the Spirit.
This thread is a perfect example of how Christians that interpret the scriptures *literally* sadly continue down paths of confusion, where even the world scratches its head and says "what???"
The book of Revelation is a perfect example of this...most within Christendom have literally interpreted this book and have come away with a *doom & gloom* outlook and they then go out and preach to the world "WOE WOE WOE". As believers in Christ we are to preach the GOOD NEWS, not the news of WOE. The book of Revelation when interpreted by the mind of the Spirit is actually a glorious book, the entire message is to the believer revealing the PROGRESSION of the Lord's life growing up WITHIN each of His people, that is why it is called The Revelation of Jesus Christ and is given to His saints to show them what will come to pass (WITHIN them) as they go on to perfection.

You are so right about the greed & selfishness of many "teachers" within the church system. It grieves me to see so many "pastors, teachers, apostles, & prophets" merchandise the teachings of Christ
for $$ by selling their books, tapes, cd's, etc. We freely receive and we are to FREELY GIVE.

As to the millionaire...he obviously has never read where the Lord says that His people will never beg for bread! Sadly, many Christians have had to ask for help b/c people within the church turn a blind eye to those with obvious problems. Serving, helping, and giving involve SACRIFICE and the cold sad
truth is that many "Christians" don't want to sacrifice their time, their money, their lives in any kind of capacity.

Thanks again for sharing...the Lord is beautiful in you.

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were you trying

to make me cry?
I loved your words, I could have told/said more.but wasn't sure anyone cared to read
my experiences in the same church drove me away.
Here is another story
i worked at the same church,making 9 bucks an hour,bringing home about
1200 a month,$685 for rent,then there's electric,gas,trash pickup,gas for veh,ins for same,water.There wasn't much left for niceties,such as food
when pay raises came about,they gave me a dime,so i was making $9.10
and this was supposed to feed and clothe 5 people, Well our car broke down,so i had to walk to work (which was over 2 miles)one way, some of the people who worked there drove the same way to work,and they would honk,and keep going.So i had to walk to and from work,and all this time i was trying to get the car fixed,work,walk home,and stress as to what to do about it all
to make along story short,i took on extra jobs to make ends meet,i was never home,hardly saw my family,then after spending 15 years trying to get into GM,I FINALLY DID IT, i get told by some of them at church I AM NOT DOING THE LORDS WILL !!!
From that day forward,my whole family were treated like out casts
So we left and never went back
I am not sure how much of the spirit i have anymore,I lost what i used to know (in that spot of knowing).I believe it was because of the meds i was on
for over 6 years,I just do not feel it like i used to
the meds i was on was for an accident i had,which damaged my spine,this changed my whole perception on life,and I don't know how to get it back,if i even can.
thank you for reading
deacon

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

So Sorry,

Most of us that claim to follow God act like jerks some times. I thought I lost my salvation once, and I thought the Holy Spirit had left me for good, I was miserable for two years, one night when I was at my worst I fell on my knees and begged for Gods help.

I felt his mercy once more, I believe now that He will help anyone who wants it hard enough, Believe me I am not on some high horse, I am about the most disgusting creature on the planet, all I am saying is if he will help me, he will help someone who is better than I am.

I hope you have a wonderful life.

deacon

I'm sorry that you got told by some at your Church that you were not doing God's will.

Maybe I'm more sorry that you took their ungodly words to your heart?

I don't know for sure, 'cause I wasn't there, but reading what you wrote here about what you and your family went through.. I believe you were not only doing God's will, but God willed something better for you than where you were.

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