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Can an Evangelical Christian please explain the obsession and servitude towards Israel

Im being serious and non-Sarcastic.

I really want to know why certain Christians are so obsessed about bowing down to Israel and Jews? It would just seem to me that the people who denied Jesus to the point they helped Crucify him wouldn't be so high up on the "Favorites List"

and if we were to play this out in Biblical chronological order it would seem like the Jews are anticipating the coming of the Anti-Christ as there Messiah since they rejected Jesus as such. So besides indoctrination and propaganda is there any other reason why Christians see no wrong in Israel and Jews?

by the way I don't have nothing against Jews, I judge people on Character not labels but the idea that Israel and Jews can do no harm and can never be criticized is absolutely ridiculous and detrimental to peace and cooperation with one another.



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Disputed? Ha! Even the US has

Disputed? Ha! Even the US has officially recognized that all of the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is illegally occupied by Israel. Even the US has recognized the right of return. ONLY Israel and its coterie of 9/11 plotting neo-cons consider the West Bank and Gaza "disputed territory." It is not the Palestinians' fault that Israrel has NEVER established its own borders.

Yes, disputed

The US doesn't draw the borders.. war and the UN treaties do.

I'm not blaming Palestinians for anything. I find they are victims of Palestinian corrupt AUTHORITY, Islamic AUTHORITY, UN AUTHORITY, which like you, hates Israel, so blames Israel.. even Palestinians don't blame Israel.. they KNOW what the problem is corrupt Palestinian AUTHORITY, Islamic AUTHORITY and UN AUTHORITY.

Why don't you question AUTHORITY?

you seem to have fallen into

you seem to have fallen into a non catholic heresy of israel worship after discovering the tempter john hagee. the catholic church is not a wh0re for israel. wise up, sugart1ts.

I don't worship Israel

I admit, I have a great affection, love and appreciation for Israel. I wrote my preist a three page confession about it. He hasn't responded. I've learned the Franciscans are the order in Israel.. someday I hope to do a tour with them of beloved Israel.

do you even know the meaning of the word "Catholic"?

and if so, can you state it and it's origins?

My understanding of the word Catholic

Catholic means Universal, from the Catholic Catechism

Why do you downvote her? she

Why do you downvote her? she is stating a fact. Catholic means universal. It is very, very, very, gay/homosexual to say: no, no I don't like you so just because I don't like you then I will downvote you.

yes, it is Greek.

you would be surprised how many protestants don't know what they are protesting, how many baptists do not have an opinion on original sin and of course the Pentecostals who don't know what the Pentecost was.

and while I am at it, try this, ask ANYONE if they can define the difference between a democracy and a republic off the top of their heads....

if they cannot do that simple thing.... how can they discern the difference between the two?
it is an easy question to ask, and will not provoke an argument.

don't cast your pearls before swine. :)

In reality, the word

was created by St Ignatius of Antioch, and was a small 'c' meaning universal teachings of Christ. Ignatius, like his close early Church Father, Polycarp, had direct tutoring of the Gospels of Christ from John the Beloved and Paul of Taurus, some 200yrs before the Roman Catholic Church began their church of control. The Roman Catholics took this word 'catholic' or univerasl teachings and created a Papal heirarchy, which was far from the original intent learned from what John taught. The word 'church' in the greek ment 'the calling out', not a building of worship/control like we have been led to believe. When Christ told Peter, 'on this roch you shall build your church', he meant to start 'calling out' the message of the Gospel, and the 'catholic' created by Ignatius ment for each person who learned the Gospels to begin their own 'calling out' of the Gospel to wherever they travel.
The Gospel teaches us that Christ came out against the Holy Land as being the only place where the Word of God is learned, and the reason he made so many challenges to the egocentric Pharisees who believed they where the only teachers of God's law. Christ told us in the Gospels, that wherever a follower of Him resides, that's His Holy Land. Though, we are not taught the real intentions of the Mayflower Pilgrims, named Puritans, when they came to America they made claim this is the 'Jerusalem of Christ'. I know this because is studied the Truth about the Puritans, as I'm a decendent of John and Pricilla Alden, where John was the first to set foot on the Plymouth Rock and a Founder of the Plymouth Colony, and the seventh signer of the Mayflower Compact. I could go on with many pages telling the empirical facts about the Puritans, but I will tell you this, they where not the acclaimed 'witch burners', they were the ones who stopped the 'witch burning' by other Protestant groups. The Puritan representatives at the Constitutional Convention were the major fighters for the 'balance of powers' of the Contitution, and would not support it without the 'Bill of Rights'.

Granger, if you ever go to Israel/Palestine, don't just stay on the Hollywoodeske staged tour designed to make the Israel look like it's a wonderful place where they except all races and religous beliefs. Go on a tour to Bethelhem and the walled off part of Old Jerusalem where the Church of the Holy Sepulchre resides. Talk to the Christian brotheren and learn the facts about the Israeli's not what you learn in the press. If you do this, you will have a completely different perspective, than what the Zionist controlled media has portrayed Israel as being.

TYVM freedom express

Thank you very much freedom express for a wonderful post! I genuinely appreciate what you have shared with me.

My godmother admitted to me three years ago, she was surprized that my Mother asked her to have me baptized in the Catholic Church. My parents were not Catholics. My father was an Objectivist who hated Christianity, and I suffered for the baptism, he was greatly offended my Mother would betray him by having me baptized. We were not allowed to go to Church, and as I became a teenager, I rebelled and threw myself into many religions, which gave me a great appreciation for the USA, because it afforded me the opportunity to experience many.

I did not embrace Catholicism until my Mother passed. Three years ago I was confirmed, and I have attended Bible Study and RENEW (Catechism Study), Generation of Faith, doing alot of volunteering and participating in choir. It has been a very good experience. I also like that my community has a Christian Women's Group and I enjoy going to the other Churches and learning about Christian faith.

My understanding of Judasim began about 20 years ago when a Jewish family supported me and I worked as an apprecntice for a master chef. Most of our work was for Jewish congregations and I was able to attend many bar and batmizpha's, weddings, many different temples. I was asked if I wanted to convert and I refused saying that I believed if God wanted me to be a Jew, I would have been born a Jew. I have many Jewish friends..

And recently a Messianic Temple has gone up here, and I have enjoyed speaking with the Rabbi about Christ.

My interest in Israel is a new chapter, and there are many things I want to do in Israel, so I hope that I can afford a few months, to get an experience on many levels, physical, spiritual and intellectual.

My interest in Israel started two fold.. one was Bible Study.. when we were looking at maps, and I thought, I would like to go there.. and then Ron Paul saying Israel is our friend.. I wanted to know why.

So I started watching documentaries, movies, YouTubes, reading.. and talking to the Rabbi, fellow Catholics, folks here on DP, most who totally disapprove of my passion for Israel.. for whatever reason I feel that I am being called, that windows are opening.. I am not going to deny this attraction. I have lost friends over it, and made new ones.

I very much look forward to going to Israel, and maybe there, I will regenerate again.. whatever God's will because I do ADORE God and am grateful for the experience to live.

Granger, can you substantiat where Jesus stood up for

any State?

He called people to an idea. Of truth.

Down Deep, every heart knows the truth.

Your post upon post about this group or that group declaring what your Wiki research has 'shown you', really misses the point of Christianity.

And do you ever think about your disrespect for the Truth as a form of Blasphemy?

Do you really believe this in your heart?

" As it is now, it's pretty "romantic". I get this feeling, that Israel calls it's own.. you either have some calling for Israel or you don't. I do."

Granger, I'm not your judge.

What do you mean by "state"?

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's".. I would say that is standing for a "state"..

I don't agree that he called people to an idea, truth. I can't even say that deep down every heart knows THE TRUTH.

I absolutely believe that truth is like an elephant in the living room and we are ALL BLIND men who have a grip on part of that elephant and that is OUR TRUTH, but that is not THE WHOLE TRUTH, it is what we KNOW to be truth.

Each of us is an individual, so even when we are all riding in the same bus, each of us has a completely different experience, sees and feels different things, depending on where we sit, who we sit with or not. Every one of us has a unique experience, a seperate truth.

I believe that denying another person their truth, saying that your own truth is THE truth, but their truth is not the truth, is a form of blasphemy.

Wiki is not the only tool I have been using in my research. I'm more than willing to give up wiki, all I'm asking, is for a referance site to replace it. For example, to say that my Bible is no good and lose my Bible, and not have another Bible for me to use so that I can share or read for myself, what good have you done taking away my Bible?

America has over 300 registered denomination of Christianity. Some resonate with my truth/heart more than others. I follow my heart, use my head, and have the guts to follow my heart. I tell it like I see it and I am very true to myself.

So let me share an experience.. when I was a kid, about 8, my folks had a paratrooper over, and he told amazing stories about jumping from airplanes. I was impressed!! So I went to school the next day and I told the first person on the playground I saw, that I jumped from an airplane. The next person, I told them I jumped like three times.. by lunch time I was up to 136 times I had jumped from an airplane. At the end of the day, there were about a dozen kids waiting for me at the gate, and they asked me one question, "How many times did you jump from an airplane?"

This was one of the hardest moments of my life. The numbers in my head were spinning. I couldn't remember all the numbers I said, and as they each looked at me, mad at me, knowing they had caught me in a HUGE lie, I said, "I don't know." So then they took turns telling me that I was a liar, I never jumped out of a plane. And I admitted I never jumped out of a plane. I was shamed. Humiliated, defeated, sick.. and there was no mercy to be had anywhere (I did not grow up in a Christian household). I was afraid of school after that, which I didn't do well, my spelling being very poor..no one knew what dyslexia was back then.. and the shame didn't wash off. I was a LIAR forever. Everyone at school knew me as THE LIAR. And I guess you know, kids can be cruel.. and they were. And my parents, no one had any mercy.. whatever anyone did, kick my books out of line, tease me. It was a very difficult period of my life. I had a very hard lesson. I learned from that lesson, no matter how hard it may be to tell the truth, it is better to tell the truth and be done with it, than tell a lie and have it come back to curse you.

So you may not agree with me base.. you can think I'm a liar to your hearts content. As far as I'm concerned, we have different grips on the elephant, and I'm not saying mine is better than yours, I'm NOT your judge. Thank you for not being mine.

Unfortunately, Israel doesn't

Unfortunately, Israel doesn't give a damn about the sovereignty of Palestine, a state recognized now by the UN. Somehow, I don't think you would support Palestine or other nations surrounding Israel, doing as they please.

In reality

If they squash the problem, I have a bad feeling The Palestinians are going to back stab Israel.

OH YES IT DOES!!!!!!!

Since when was palestine recognized as a state?

I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT A STATE OF PALESTINE!!!!! It's the only path to PEACE!!!!

Maybe you didn't get this part

Uh, a state does not need

Uh, a state does not need full membership to be recognized as a state. Legally, it is now a state, regardless of what the US and Israel want. Gee, Granger, you make this too easy.

Uh,, I pointed out to you yesterday

The UN CHARTER needs 100% approval, on the UN SECURITY commission, for any UN Resolution, to become a LAW.

GET THE FACTS.

You keep missing the point.

You keep missing the point. Palestine IS a state. The UN has recen tly officially recognized it as such. Israel violates its sovereignty through illegal occupation and Jewish only racial colonies in the West Bank and continuing occupation of Gaza. Where is the outcry over Israel's quest to wipe Palestine off the map?

Could you show me a link?

I can't find anything that says Palestine is a state.

Israel does not have any quest to wipe Palestine off the map.

With all due respect to opinon

lets get the facts straight shall we?

The UN CHARTER, needs 100% approval by the UN SECURITY COMMISSION to become LAW.

THAT IS A FACT. That is why thousands of UN resoutions are BS.

You can say that, but all the

You can say that, but all the evidence shows that Israel IS wiping Palestine off the map. The illegal colonies to the right of East Jerusalem are literally cutting the West Bank in half.

What?

Do you have any idea how BIG Palestine was at WWI? ALL OF JORDAN IS PALESTINE.. they created millions of refugees and NEVER gave any land or homes back.

Israel gave Gaza and the West Bank back.. they didn't have to do that, they won ALL the territory from the Suez, to Lebanon/Syria and ALL along the Jordan River.. they could have kept all of it because they won it in a defensive war against 6 Arab states and Russia.

Israel made Gaza and the West Bank FOR Palestinians because they KNOW what it's like to be refugess.. that's how they came to Israel in the first place.

If those people were given 10 Palestines

there would still not be peace.

Who are "those people"?

20% of the Israeli population are Arab Palestinians who work in the IDF, have government offices, vote, practice their religion and LOVE Israel. It seems to me, may Palestinians in the unoccupied territories want Palestine to be more like Israel, where the Palestinian AUTHORITY and Islam want Israel defeated, and America defeated, they want Sharia Law and slavery.

They love Israel? You

They love Israel? You obviously know nothing about the Land Day protests that have at times resulted in death. More like they are biding their time till they are once again the majority of their homeland. You make some of the same arguments about Israel that were made about apartheid South Africa. Remember when people would say that the Black South Africans had better lives than other Africans? While that was true to some extent, it did not excuse what South African Whites were doing to their Black brothers and sisters.

Yes I do

There is a movie you might like called PALESTINIAN BLUES and it is a documentary about what Israel does to Palestinians.

Did you look at the vids I showed you about the gay parades in Israel? Did you see the MILLIONS of people marching for human rights for ALL people no matter what their sexual orientation?

Well let's compare that to the Land Day protest.. the Land day protests are very small, and it is shown how the "journalists" goad Palestinians. American a$$wipes.. trying to show how bad Israel is.. at one point an American a$$wipe for Palestine is screaming at a Palestinian for selling her land to Israelis.. and the Palestinian tells the American, I'd rather sell my land to an Israeli than put up with the stupid fake BS of you Americans who don't KNOW what is going on in Palestine.. then we see the journalists throwing stones when the Palestinians don't.

Genesis Chapter 12

God said to Abraham 'I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."

Not that I think putting Israel on a federal government welfare program is "blessing" them, or handing out guns to them and all their enemies in the area is "blessing" them.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)