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Can an Evangelical Christian please explain the obsession and servitude towards Israel

Im being serious and non-Sarcastic.

I really want to know why certain Christians are so obsessed about bowing down to Israel and Jews? It would just seem to me that the people who denied Jesus to the point they helped Crucify him wouldn't be so high up on the "Favorites List"

and if we were to play this out in Biblical chronological order it would seem like the Jews are anticipating the coming of the Anti-Christ as there Messiah since they rejected Jesus as such. So besides indoctrination and propaganda is there any other reason why Christians see no wrong in Israel and Jews?

by the way I don't have nothing against Jews, I judge people on Character not labels but the idea that Israel and Jews can do no harm and can never be criticized is absolutely ridiculous and detrimental to peace and cooperation with one another.

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Keeping Israel on a leash is not Blessing Israel.

Subjecting Israel to U.N. authority with our own involvement in that organization is not blessing either.

And it isn't blessing the USA either.

It is blessing the globalist MIC that profits off of constant conflict.

USA needs to get out of the UN and end all foreign aid!

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Where is Israel anywhere in Genisis Ch 12

I just looked it up couldnt find Israel any where there.

The promise was made to Abraham, but in context not only to

him, but to his seed, to his descendants. When it says "all of the peoples of the earth will be blessed through you" it refers to his descendant in the flesh through Mary, Yeshua (Jesus). All the peoples are blessed because God used the descendant of Abraham to become Flesh and take away the sin of the world. This obviously did not happen during Abraham's sojourn on the earth, which is more evidence that the "you" in this verse refers not to just the individual person Abraham, but his descendants.

You wanted to know where Evangelical Christians are getting that, and I am trying to answer your question as best I can.

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Galatians 3

The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ. ~ Gal. 3:16

"If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." ~ Gal. 3:29

No doubt the Apostle teachers Christians are inheritors of the

promises made to Abraham through Christ. He is that seed of Abraham through which all the nations of the earth shall be blessed. Does that mean that the promises of Abraham are not to apply to his physical descendants as well? That is the controversy. I know people who take both sides and each seems reasonable. Just in case, why not bless the Jews?

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

Not all of Abraham's descendants...

...are Abraham's children:

and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” ~ Romans 9:7

Jacob and Essau were twins with the same mother and father; yet only one of them (Jacob) was God's chosen. Ruth, a Moabite with no blood relationship at all to Abraham, was still counted among Abraham's descendants. They were Abraham's children (i.e. chosen by God) by faith alone.

btw, the genealogical records were destroyed in 70 AD, the end of the Age; so nobody knows who are physical descendants of Abraham. That was no accident that the records were destroyed -- to God blood obviously doesn't matter or they wouldn't have been destroyed.

Suffice to say Scripture is clear: The children of Abraham are his children (God's chosen) by faith alone, and, according to Scripture, it's always been that way.

"Not all who claim to be Israel, are Israel."

I truly believe this reference is to the Task-Masters, versus the Remnant.

I.E. - The New World Order versus the Liberty Movement

The task-masters are those claiming to bless Israel, when they are using their MIC war machine to profit from the conflict over religion.

The Remnant are those who "Struggle with G-d and prevail" aka Israel, which is what Israel means. We in the Liberty movement constantly struggle with right and wrong, good and evil, and all the confusion of the world. The vast majority of us, no matter where we are at in our understanding of this world, prevail over evil by choosing good.

The nation of Israel is a beacon for this idea existing in this world. It is a beacon of G-d, Faith, Peace and Freedom.

That is why the Satanic Globalists wants Israel destroyed. That is why they infiltrate it, and the USA, to destroy it. That is why the UN sanctions Israel and tries to dictate it's policy. They tried so many times before to wipe Jews out (Pharoah, Caesar, Haman, Hitler, etc.).

Revelation describes exactly that, and that is exactly what we are seeing happening today. The Globalists are trying to co-opt Israel, as they are trying to co-opt the USA. But "It is for the sake of the Remnant that (G-d) will Bless Israel".

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The hubris of some Christians...

...who actually believe Paul was writing about their generation in the 21st Century is really amazing. What you believe may be fascinating, but it is not Biblical.

Just as a reminder, Romans is an epistle, meaning a letter. The epistles were written to people living at that time, not to people living in the 21st century.

I suggest you re-read Romans but with Paul's audience and what was happening at that time to them in mind -- those who were living in the Last Days before the Fall of Jerusalem. Do you really think the people Paul was writing to cared a whit about what was to happen in the 21st century?

As I said, the hubris is amazing.

I am an evangelical Christian,

and I don't know if I can help you, because I don't believe like so many today, but I asked one of the Israel firsters, and they gave me a verse in Jeremiah, I think, and I read it, and it was about some rocks falling on those who are against Zion. Well, I looked up the verse in Matthew Henry's commentary (which was written way before this wierd Israel belief), and it said that this was about Christ, and He said so, that He was the Stone, and many would stumble over Him. So, the verse the person gave me did NOT make me belief their stuff. To the contrary, the New Testament is all about Christians being the Lord's chosen, instead of Israel today. (unless of course Jews who believe in Christ, but then again, they would be Christians, and chosen).

That's true... Jews who believe in 'Christ' are 'Christians'...

And I believe Jewish people would do well to discover that their Messiah has come before, and sacrificed for them, in order to be in good favor with Him when He returns.

I also believe that 'Christians' will be well served to discover their Jewish roots, and the fact that this has always been an 'everlasting covenant', and Yeshua has brought many Gentiles into this fold, into Israel.

Yeshua said - "I have come not to change one iota of the Law, but to fulfill it."

It is one religion. One story. I truly hope with all my heart that Christians and Jews look into Messianic Judaism. It is not a set religion with set rules and people pretending they know what it's all about. It is about discovering the truth, find faith, and finding G-d, together, as it is one story, tied together. One cannot be completed without the other. The Tree and the Leaves.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

The Jews did not Kill Jesus

The state did. He threatened the money changers authority, so they had him executed.

I cannot be certain, but I believe the Tribulation is banker propaganda, which are basically stand down orders.

The Isreal thing I believe, is part of that indoctrination set forth by the religion.

I believe in God and Christ, but not the religion of Christianity. It is obvious the money changers command that religion.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

I watched "BEN HUR" last night, for the first time...

That is great movie. Starring Charlton Heston.

It is set in Judea during the Life of Jesus, under Roman occupation.

It follows Judah Ben Hur, a Jewish prince turned into a slave by the Roman occupation. It shows what was happening. There were the People... mostly Jews and some Arabs, and they loved Jesus, the "young Rabbi from Nazareth". It was the Romans and the corrupt leadership of the native Jews who didn't. Almost all the People were for the Messiah, but the Roman Empire had their Task-Masters in the Jewish leadership so they could keep control over the population there. Jesus threatened the Money that Rome used to bribe the Jewish leaders, therefore he threatened Roman control of Judea.

Pilate (acting in Rome's best interests) was glad to claim it was not his responsibility to punish Jesus, yet still authorized his execution, so that the blame for the unpopular killing could be on the People's own leaders, instead of the foreign invaders. That is why Pilate "sealed his fate" when he washed his hands. And don't forget who Canonized the New Testament books, and made that the official religion of Rome. The Romans!

So what was originally a Messianic Jewish liberty movement, became a paganized, de-Jewed, Roman version of Messianicism. Hence, The Catholic Church.

No offense to any Catholics, my mother is Catholic, her whole side of the family is, and I was raised learning Catholicism, as well as Judaism. The faith is great, but the power structure is not, imho.

Anyway the movie concludes with the Crucifixion. Seemingly very accurate scene. It is an epic film.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Love Ben Hur and Heston (he

Love Ben Hur and Heston (he is great as Long John Silver in "Treasure Island" as well) But who cried "Crucify Him!" according to the Bible? and yes, I know the Disciples were Israelites, take care!

Heston is also great as Moses, and Soylent Green is cool..

I don't know who cried "Crucify Him" according to the bible.

The "Jews" that were blamed were among the elitist leadership, as I understand it.

But, who do you think the "early church" was? They were also Jews!!!
As was Yeshua Himself.

They sure weren't Christians, or Muslims. There was no Christian religion yet. Not for another 500 years.

So what was it all about?
The prophesized coming of the Messiah, that's what.
It's a Jewish prophesy.

Rome canonized the New Testament 500 years later, after burning "Christians" (aka converts to messianic Judaism) at the stake and feeding them to lions for centuries.

Now the Pope sits in Rome and the original translation of the New Testament Bible is in Greek.

Did Yeshua speak Greek? No, he spoke in Hebrew.
He wasn't Hispanic was he? No, Jesus wasn't his name.
Was Yeshua (Jesus) in Rome, or Jerusalem? Jerusalem.
So why is Rome the 'Holy City'? Beats me.
Did Jesus celebrate Passover (last supper)? Of course.
So why don't Christians? Christians celebrate 'Ishtar'.

I could go on, but I doubt anyone is listening...

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I am listening, most of what

I am listening, most of what you say is correct in my opinion, however Yahshua was born an Israelite of the tribe of Judah, not exactly a Jew by modern standards.

If Jesus wasn't a Jew, I don't know what the qualifications are.

A Rabbi from the tribe of Judah, and an Israelite living in Jerusalem...

LOL, I'm not sure what more anyone would need to do to be called a Jew by any standards.

I doubt he was eating a lot of lox and bagels, or dealing diamonds while voting democrat.

I don't know what it is you are trying to classify as a "Jew" by today's standards. Perhaps you have been led to believe in stereotypes?

Maybe if you defined what it is you believe a "modern Jew" is.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I believe Jew has become a

I believe Jew has become a catch all term, for anyone that is of certain ethnic and or religious background, that is why you hear the term "non practicing Jew" and have probably never heard of a "non practicing Christian" or Hindu for that matter.

I think most "modern Jews" do not believe he was a Rabbi, much less the Messiah and Son of God, but I could be wrong, am I?

The Jewish mucky mucks wanted Jesus put to

death because He claimed to be God. The Romans would never have crucified Jesus if the Jewish leadership hadn't instigated it.

politics as usual--


it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

if your friends told you to jump off a pier, would you?

My mom taught me how to resist that sort of pressure. Unless the Romans were all under 12 I think its fair to pin them with the blame.

Squeaky Wheels Get the Grease

The Romans carried out the CHOICE between the release of Barrabus or Jesus, of the Corrupt Jews who demanded Jesus' Death.
Pilate, the Roman governor, offered to set Jesus free for the Passover, as was his custom. He saw from the inconsistent testimony against Jesus, that Jesus was being persecuted due to envy, and not a crime. Matthew 27:18
The Roman's Bowed to Public Pressure, just as OUR Gov will if we persevere and complain incessantly and unceasingly.

Pilate let the Jews have their way, or face a riot during Passover- a time when the city was bursting at the seams with pilgrims from all over the Middle-East, who were visiting Jerusalem for the Passover Feast Holiday.
Matthew 27:23-25 "Pilate said, Why? What evil has he done? But they (the Jews) cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a riot was brewing, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it." The Jews answered, 'His blood be on us, and on our children'.

Pilate didn't have enough soldiers to deal with all of the people in town for the Festival that is why they bowed to pressure, just like OUR gov will IF WE UNITE.

Galatians 5:1
It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

The Romans killed Jesus. Simple as that.

Of course they want you to think they 'had' to do it. The Roman Empire is and always has been against God. "Come thee out from amongst them and be separate." 2 Corinthians 6:17

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Not Barrabus(Roman/Greek translation)

It was Barabbas.. "Son of Father" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barabbas

Thanks for telling us

what the Bible says. Seeing that the money changers have had their hands all over it, DON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD COVER UP WHO KILLED JESUS?

They have never wanted us to know the State killed him or that he was against the State. I am also astonished that the one time he got angry still made it into the Bible.

The money changers were driven out of ONE temple by Jesus. How many temples were there? How many did he not kick out?
See, they were controlling Christianity before it was really born...

Jesus was an Anarchist, or at least a Libertarian.
His very birth was in defiance of the King and the Elite, so please go research further than the Bible. The truth is INCREADIBLE!!!

It turned this Atheist back into a believer.

Ron brought the Liberty movement together, Rand is expanding the crap out of it! :)

Pleasure is mine...:)

There was only one Temple -at a time that is, in Jerusalem. The foundation is the Wailing Wall.
The crucifixion occurred in a highly visible, public place, on a crowded holiday and then it is recorded in the Bible for all to see.

You should read the whole book for yourself. You would be astonished at what is in there, that your preacher never told you was in there, if he knew at all!
Happy you are an ex-athiest! Welcome Home!

Galatians 5:1
It is for FREEDOM that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.


Made me think and that's always a positive!