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I Knew There Was Something Wrong When ...

I knew there was something wrong when five U.S. presidents supported NAFTA. Ford, Carter, Bush Sr., Reagan and Clinton stood side by side endorsing yet another compromise of our nation's sovereignty and another move to cripple our economy.

I knew then that most of their supposed ideological differences, and their denunciations of each other, were orchestrated and just scripted rhetoric and posturing. It became apparent to me that the labels of Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Liberal, etc., are meaningless. In fact, that incident and those five puppets came to mind when I read Ron Paul's book, The Revolution: A Manifesto, particularly in Chapter One when he wrote about the illusion of choice.

When did you know that something was wrong?

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The most recent event.

It's Al-Qaeda Week on mainstream media news to shut down NSA decent. I'll be watching Shark Week, that's more scary.


When they brought back the draft.

Watergate. But I thought that

Watergate. But I thought that was a one off - a sociopath who managed to become president. Then came the stagflation of the 70's, and that's when I learned about the bankster cabal.

Went through a brief period of political activism, but cynicism won out, until RP lit the fire in me again in 2008.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Re Watergate

Thanks. We see now that Nixon wasn't an anomaly at all. Our current president has numerous Watergates.

Edgar Morgan

Patriot Act

I voted for Bush II. Then went to sleep for a while. Then we were attacked. Then the Patriot Act emerged. I woke up.

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was sometime after the OKC incident.

We'd heard from a relative living in OKC that the Red Cross was "selling sandwiches and bottled water at the site." (yes that trusty organisation that people donate hundreds of millions of dollars to)

Every year on my b-day we used to have a big party and have bands come play so we could raise money for a local charity. That year we decided to raise money directly for OKC victims since Red Cross appeared to be a sham that used/hid the majority of their donations for admin costs. We took the money we raised and drove it directly to the OK Governor's office thinking he would do the right thing with it. (yeah right..) Who knows where it ended up?

After hearing the official story about the Ryder truck and thinking that was (solely) what happened, I saw this on my local cable public access tv channel.


My eyes were barely starting to open in the late 90's, but after OKC, Waco, '93 WTC, they were open a little wider. I still didn't know or really care what was going on.

By the time 9/11 happened where we lost a family friend, a light bulb went off and I began to research feverishly for the next couple of years. Then all the pieces started coming together when I compared it to the backdrop of history. That's when I began to understand the concept of the Hegelian Dialectic. (problem, reaction, solution)

Then I started to look at all the executive orders and realize while these puppets were wearing different colored jerseys, they were moving the ball in the same direction behind the scenes.
Life has not been the same since.

I knew something was wrong when I tried to reach for something..

and my mom said "no."

It was probably the pandas.

the National Guard killed 4 unarmed college students in 1970

at Kent State in Ohio.


Yes, Kent State

Yes, The killings t Kent State spoke volumes: something is terribly wrong!

Edgar Morgan


Just prior to the Iraq invasion, I discovered that a third tower on 9/11 had collapsed. Why had I not heard about this. Then I saw the video and I reaffirmed for myself the claim that it was falling at freefall speed. As a person with a strong scientific and engineering background I knew this was physically impossible without demolition charges. I don't believe in miracles so I could no longer accept the official story. After that it was just one never ending stinking rabbit hole. Discovering how almost everything I thought I knew about money, politics and the modern history of our civilization ends up being a lie was a pretty tough pill to swallow. Even tougher is seeing so many intelligent people still vehemently defending the lie out of ignorance or cognitive dissonance. But the hardest thing of all is when the government rolls out more liberty stealing legislation unopposed entirely in the name of this lie and I watch Dems and RINOS lap it all up with a big 'hell yeah'. They are cheering for their own own enslavement.

WTC7 and the Rest

I agree with everything that you said 100%. Thank you for your comments and insights.

Edgar Morgan

When I ran into some aholes on a website

They were preaching all this crazy stuff that had to be lies and crazy conspiracy crap - I mean- geesh they were talking about America like it was one big lie. But then I would research all this crazy stuff they were saying - and while sometimes it WAS crazy - it was clear that a LOT of it was TRUE! And as the truth started piling on - the picture became more clear.

My childhood was a lie.

I only came here because I thought that kooky old guy was making sense
Thanks DPers - thanks for nothing - lol!!!

Viet Nam, when both parties supported the war and when--

well, it just didn't make sense to me at all--

right at the beginning, before American troops even went over there, I can remember listening to the news and realizing that my 'world' was collapsing--

long time to live in the twilight zone, right?

Later, when I started asking my parents closer questions about WWII, I realized that the same thing happened there--

both parties supported it--

*we* were told that it was because it was a 'good' war--

what a joke!

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

Nam, When Both Parties ...

Like Wallace said, "There isn't a dime's worth of difference between the Republicans and Dmocrats."

Edgar Morgan


Yes, Vietnam was a real eye opener.

I noticed about two weeks after Clinton signed NAFTA

The traffic in Austin started backing up to a standstill on IH-35 from all the trucks coming into Texas from Mexico. It's when an upsurge of immigrants started flooding into town. A few months later I started noticing panhandlers at intersections. Then things took a bigger dive as far as homelessness when Bush took office.

Been down hill ever since.

And the Senate champion of NAFTA was.......

ta da

Joe Biden.

I am fairly young so..

when we responded to 9/11 by invading Iraq.

At least you have an excuse. :-)

You'd think that something as insane as invading Iraq for no apparent reason would get through if anything would, right? Not me. All I learned at that point was that Fox would legitimize anything for Republicans and demonize anything concerning Democrats, and vice versa for CNN and MSNBC. But I believed that they were all just misguided. I had no idea that it was propaganda. That was 2003.

I didn't figure out that something was wrong until 2008. First, this obscure guy named Ron Paul was ridiculed and treated as if he was a traitor for suggesting peace and free trade as an option for the U.S. I barely knew who he was at that time, and it sounded like a refreshing idea to me. I was even going to vote for him. But even that behavior from the other Republican candidates just seemed arrogant and rude mostly. I still wasn't quite there yet.

Then in September that year, Hank Paulson gave a speech before Congress saying that he needed something like $700 billion, no questions asked, for the banks. I had been working in the mortgage industry and although I didn't understand why, I had been aware and watching for over a year, knowing that it was collapsing. They kept calling it a "correction", but that was not at all what it looked like from the inside. I saw it coming and thought it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

For the first time in my life, I wrote and called all of my representatives and told them not to give Paulson a cent. I knew that the banks' bad behavior had gotten them into trouble, and they deserved whatever happened to them. All of my representatives wrote me back explaining why they didn't want to do it, but they had to for reasons that I wouldn't understand.

That was it. Instant surreality. It was a contradiction too big to ignore. The implication was unthinkable, but I was forced at that moment to consider it. There could only be one truth. Everything else had to be a lie.

I discovered my brain that day, at the age of 44. Before that, I actually thought Americans ran this country by voting and protesting. Shameful and embarrassing, but true. I have been catching up ever since. When people talk about the "Matrix", I laugh because they are talking about me. There is no going back.

There is no going back. I can

There is no going back. I can never unsee what Congressman Paul showed me. I believed everything I was told on the news. That we are the land of the free and the home of the brave, that our country is a beacon of light and freedom the whole world admires and respects, that our schools turn out the best and brightest students in the world, that we lead the world in technology, innovation, and human rights. That our wars are just wars against evil tyrants who brutalize their people and that those people want us there to "save" them. I believed that our elected officials had the good of the people in their hearts, that the gigantic institutions like the UN were forces for good in the world, and that anyone who criticized us was a traitor (whatever that means nowadays). I was a good solid matrix citizen until 2007 when started to become obvious something was desperately wrong.


Unilateral Free Trade

The best trade policy is unilateral free trade. Even if all the other countries keep their tarrifs, the tarrif free country is still benefiting.

My understanding is that Ron Paul's dislike of these multilateral trade agreements isn't that they are multilateral per se, so much as that in order to get so many countries to agree to it, 99.9% of the time many concessions have to be made. He doesn't like those concessions nor the protectionism that gets inserted in the bills. It's been a while since I read his book, but I'm pretty sure I remember him supporting unilateral free trade. Either way, unilateral free trade seems to be the concensus for free market economists from the Austrian, Chicago, and Neoclassical schools.


Let's not overlook the most insidious aspect of NAFTA, the undermining of U.S. soverenity. Before tHere was the European Union there was the Common Market. The next incremental step following NAFTA will be a North American Union, if they're not stopped.


Ever since I read Atlas Shrugged (when I was 15 years old), I've never been able to regard government as anything but a gang of looters. The news of the day only reinforces that opinion.

Recommended reading: The Most Dangerous Superstition, http://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Ros...


I asked my Mom.. "Who is my daddy?" and she showed me a picture of an officer in the USN and said, "Your Daddy is an officer on a big ship in the Navy, and he loves you very much." And I said, "He knows me?" And she yes, "Yes, of course he knows you."

When his ship came in, I was excited and kinda scared because I didn't know him. I didn't really get to spend much time with him, he seemed pretty busy.. he was only around for two weeks and his ship went back out.. and then, he got stationed on three tours in Nam, so he lived in Nam and not with us.. So I never really knew him (and the few times I did spend with him he was very authoritarian).. and I read about how war breaks up families and kids grow up with out dads, and I thought.. even kids who have dads they never get to know because their dads are killing other kid's dads.

Wow Granger

You just made me tear up a little..

My dad was in Vietnman as well, though he left almost a decade before I was born, I know that my mother and sister had to experience so much time with him overseas, as you said, "killing other people's dads"

Actually, this reminds me of another "wake up" moment, I was probably in my early teens when I asked my dad "why did we fight the Vietnam war" and he said "honestly I'm still not really sure. they said it was to stp the rise of communism but...I don't really know"

What kind of just war is fought by people who have no idea what they are fighting for?

*Advancing the Ideas of Liberty Daily*


My Dad was a huge Ayn Rand fan, so he had NO qualms about Nam being against communism, also, he was a three war vet, WWII, Korea and Nam.

As highly decorated as he was, so was one of his brothers, a SOAR officer, and they used to fight about Nam, as my uncle said it was all about oil, being his operations were securing locations for Kellogg, Brown and Root (Haliburton).

The thought occured to me, thinking how there was 12 million military brats, who got stationed overseas, at the tax payers expense, and I questioned, "Why?".. as it seems so odd that during all these wars, kids like us, were born and raised in the military, globally.. meaning we had no roots.. you see, we didn't have extended families, I didn't really know my parents folks.. and there was great pressure to enlist.. go from military dependent to military active. I rebelled. This was a huge problem, not just shame on my family within the military, but it made everything difficult for me to see them, getting base passes to go on base to be home for Christmas for example.

We were being programmed.. 12 million of us were being programmed to expand the military and globalization. Kent State put a dent in that, and the "hippy movement", which started by vets returning, becomming dependent of drugs, that turned into a war on drugs.

So I believe now, this failure.. is what is taking us into the UN Agenda, where instead of nations, we have the globalist idea that is military.. global military rather than national military.. tours are shorter, but we see more marriages witin troops than military man with civilan spouces.

And I think you make a really good point, as it seems not only do we not all understand or agree what we are fighting FOR, but who we are fighting for or against.

Re: When

Thanks for sharing that.

Edgar Morgan

wow, yes--

my father got married after WWII (and he was in the war)--

so we didn't have that happen, but I knew kids whose dads had died--

and I remember a young man I knew well later in the 70s whose father had died and whose mother had remarried, and he had always been 'lost'--

one of my sibling in law's mother had lost her husband in the war--

and she had remarried and had more kids; the child from that first marriage was always a lost soul--

not really, but I think you know what I mean; he died young, anyway--

and had a hard life--

war DOES destroy families--

and that's not talked about enough--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

I distinctly recall ...

...during the first Gulf War, when I was stunned to see that the 24/7 cable coverage was blatantly manipulated with images of "smart bombs" and national jingoism, while simultaneously completely cleansed of any images and stories of blood and death and consequences.

I began to suspect something was really wrong when I saw they were packaging war as some futuristic 'patriotic' video game.

Then it was a done deal for me after they announced they were refusing to show any American servicemen coming back in bodybags.

It wasn't that I was some government worshipping ass-kissing statist before that. My Dad was in the Vietnam War and a Major in the AF. And he was never a fan of bureaucrats and blockheads - I knew that when I was little. So I was always independent and knew that it was shady from a very young age.

But it was the Gulf War that started to really spook me. I had the feeling deep down in my bones that we had crossed some kind of major line, that things were not at all what they appeared to be and thinking

" ... this is the dividing line to the future, and it looks like it might be dark"

Early for me, too.

When a friend gave me a tape of a punk band called Propaghandi and I actually started paying attention to what they were yammering on about. Their albums did a number on my worldview.