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Quit Calling Non-Ron Paul People Stupid

I have to say I'm quite disappointed in how us Ron Paulers keep calling people stupid just because they aren't Ron Paulers.

Everyone here had a period of our lives prior to finding Ron and his message. Most of us were politically involved wanting to help chasing the only thing we knew of, that being establishment.

And most of us converted very recently that being 2007 or later, being neocons or neolibs before that.

Does it make sense to insult people just because they aren't at the same place in life that we are? Everyone has a different life experience. Some simply may not have been in a spot to really study it as deep as we all have at this point.

Is not one of our core tenants that people are able to take care of themselves if left alone? How can we believe in both that and that most people are stupid?

Let's do all we can to be as gentlemanly as the man we support, Ron Paul himself.

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...Ron Paul supporters were never known to call others "stupid".

Digging this up and planting it in the "now" is just another scheme to discredit Ron Paul supporters.

We used to label people who expressed false concern as concern trolls.

Hope this dispels any misconceptions.

"Beyond the blackened skyline, beyond the smoky rain, dreams never turned to ashes up until.........
...Everything CHANGED !!

Ignorance is curable with education, but stupid is forever

Everyone is ignorant about different things.

There are many who could be educated if they were made aware of facts or arguments they had not previously encountered.

Ad hominem attacks, however accurate, are unlikely to be persuasive.


I call big government advocates machine heads. No original thoughts just the stuff that has been programmed into their heads...behind closed doors of course lol. But seriously, I know some folks feel so screwed over by who they voted for in the last election, R' s and D's, they are finally coming to their senses and seeing the corruption. So much is going on now, it seems the awakening is happening more swiftly. Hold on to your hats!

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I agree - I think we should call them

Votegtables instead.

I upvoted after reading the title.

knowing exactly what the sentiments where, as I wholeheartedly agree.

Ive been there, in the beginning, when I first stumbled upon this rabbit hole, let me tell you, it does . . not . . . work . . .

Educate, teach them, just talk, explain your point of view and leave it at that, planting seeds is the best way, let them grow at their own pace.

It is the only way for it to work.

I'll second that motion...

at least if the goal is for the general public to open their eyes. Most of us have been ignorant of one thing or another many times in our lives, and still are. Usually name calling occurs when one is either venting from seeing injustice or wanting to have a feeling of superiority over someone else. It rarely convinces them or others that overhear the name calling, who otherwise would have been open to learning more, were it not for the name calling.

However, I would clarify the above statement by adding that it's often necessary to call out injustice when we see it, when individuals are actively involved. In such cases, it's important not to have a knee-jerk reaction and broadbrush them with a label. Every individual and situation must be carefully evaluated.


Not stupid. In fact I know of many genius liberals. I would never use the word stupid, I believe sheep would be more appropriate.

The word

I would say is, Indoctrinated.

We are indoctrinated to become sheep, in my opinion, completely breaking that indoctrination is what we are all trying to do.

Some are more along than others, some never will fully break it, as alot of our personal beliefs, we have been made to believe. Problem is it is hard to distinguish, what too believe, and why we believe it, without having all the facts, which most, even us (libertarians), do not have.

What we do have though, and what we do know is, principles.

That is why the best thing to rely upon is principles, and the principles of liberty are a pretty damn good place to start.

To have fought tooth and nail

in Ron Pauls' last two presidential attempts I can 100% say that there are complete IDIOTS everywhere. These a-holes are within my own family, closes friends and many in my inner circle. They are so focused on what that pretty colored box tells them in their living room and something I can NEVER stop them from believing.

I feel bad for them but they are traitors. I can try as best I can to wake them up BUT some are just either too lazy or too messed up in the head to actually care.

I get your point but at some point you need to call a spade a spade and a traitor a traitor.

The 3% will rise and we will take back what is ours. The weak sheep will fall in line with the winners of the war just like every war in history. Fall in line, that is all they know and yes they are complete idiots.

There are winners and losers and these traitors will go with the winners no matter which side wins.

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the way the message is delivered counts

And that means not calling people stupid even if they are ignorant, brainwashed, uninformed, or even just plain stupid.

The message of liberty will be far more compelling when it isn't delivered with hostility.

It's a tough one because many libertarians are young and angry, and rightfully so.

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I'm with LibertyOrDeath11

As a rule of thumb, I NEVER insult or label people who disagree with me, rather I counter their ignorance with facts. But I have been labeled a communist-paranoid-Christian-tea party-right wing-gun nut. Haha, just shows they have nothing else in their bag of tricks to hit me with!


Communist AND a Right-wing-Tea-Partier, thats funny.
hell, I call myself a gun-nut...aint no insult. ;)

I'd rather have a bottle in front o' me than a frontal lobotomy

I have to agree with Auto.

I have to agree with Auto. Being rude only brings you down to their level.

For what its worth, I'll give my take on talking about the liberty message with people who are... not as in-tune with the message.

I work in an industry where reading people's reactions to certain conversations is very important, and what I've learned from that is the easiest way to get people into the liberty mindset is to plant a few seeds without destroying their delusion about the world too quickly.

Always be cordial, let them explain their take on the issue first to feel where they are at philosophically, then mold the conversation that leads to how more liberty would fix the problem they are complaining about in the first place.

Tread carefully with veterans (especially Vietnam vets)... They may have lost a few friends fighting in corrupt politician wars and hold tightly to the idea that the wars were justifiable. No amount of explaining will get you on their good side. You may have to repeat article 1 section 8 of the constitution a few times for it to sink in.

Most everyone agrees with us in philosophy once it 'clicks' for them, they just hold on to old-indoctrinated beliefs and are stubborn as a mule when it comes to challenging those beliefs.

For the more stubborn people, sooner or later something will hit home with them and they will remember the conversation they had with you and inquire more. By then you'll be a year wiser, and that more efficient in the messaging and delivery. This has happened to many so many times recently... More-so than the last few years.

If you just call them stupid, you are reducing yourself to the al sharpton / rush limbaugh (whoever they hate more) type arguments which will get you no where. They also will remember the conversation with 'that rude guy' and not the content of the conversation.

For the extremely stubborn types, I just say my piece, say we'd be better off just following the constitution, then opt out of talking about it anymore. If they continue the debate, I may keep destroying their arguments until someone breaks up the conversation, or I can see them getting frustrating with learning too much too quickly that goes against their illusion of reality.

For online trolls, well thats something I don't deal with anymore. There are people in the 'anger' phase of awakening that have the time for that. I'm trying to make a difference in my community.

Well the Rand Paul people

are not my type, but I try to find out what we have in common before writing them off as stupid.

im sure you;ll

get a medal for that

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Don't be mad at someone for

Don't be mad at someone for not knowing something you didn't know yesterday.

I agree

They may be very smart, "stupid" means ignorant, not unintelligent.
Instead, we need to call these morons:

Aristocracy Lickers

And just for good measure, to quote the great Bugs Bunny:
"What a gulla-bull, what an ultramaroon, what a nincowpoop"

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Kind of hard

trying to keep cool with most people. It is usually the other way around. I am being called stupid. A lunatic, a tin foil wearing Fox News watcher.. when I hate Fox News.... It truly feels like most of the time I am debating with stupid. Truth hurts I guess.

use the K.I.S.S principle.

causally ask them if they can define the difference between a democracy and a republic.

some can get it half right.... but most are like beached fish.

once you have them by the balls, be nice :)

You are correct. They are not stupid...

And I do not have time to list all the reasons why.
Phreedom does a nice job below.

Just curious

How many people (even here on DP) realize that what Ron Paul spoke about publicly was only the absolute minimal baseline level intelligence needed for beginning to move towards liberty and the rule of law?

For those of you who think that Ron Paul's simplistic campaign sound bites represent the pinnacle of the knowledge of liberty then you might just be something slightly more than stupid yourself (or still totally stupid). Does this statement make you angry? Does this make you want to downvote me? Maybe your reaction is just your own ego trying to protect it's new found knowledge of "liberty". Really intelligent people know they are ignorant of pretty much everything and don't make a policy decision without very careful investigative logical analysis to ensure that Law is congruent from its source to its end.

How many people will participate in politics without understanding the Law at least to the point of knowing what is lawful applications of codes vs what is not? How many people realize that this ignorance of Law is what has destroyed the rule of Law? How many people realize that representatives are only there to re-present the instructions handed to them by their constituency delegates NOT to just make all the decisions for their constituents(remember New York abstained from signing the DOI because INSTRUCTIONS had not been delivered to the representative by the delegates)? How many people realize that there is no lawful way to implement immigration policy without committing felonies during enforcement of those "policies" under our law? How many people realize that your opinion about politics has absolutely ZERO chance of protecting liberty? How many people realize that politics has a 100% track record for destroying liberty not protecting liberty? How many people realize that the only reason TPTB love democracy is because they know that the ego of the individual is more powerful than they could ever be, hence the whole reason an entire society has been built around building one's ego (grades, degrees, awards, prom kings/queens, fame, etc.)? How many people still think that 9-11 was not done as mind control operation by the NWO to scare people into accepting a totalitarian police state and militarized build up for ushering in World Government?

To those of us humbled before the knowledge of the universe existing just moderately stupid and totally ignorant of almost everything, most others look like pre-cellular primordial soup of amino acids which pretty much equates to something below stupidity because to be stupid one would actually have to have a working brain...

If you think you need to get the political support of others to protect your liberty and the rule of law then you are REALLY STUPID and are the very cause of your own loss of liberty!

But don't worry. I don't participate in politics so you don't have to worry about me scaring off the mindless sheep you are trying to court into your insanity. I have chosen to not waste my time with the insane fantasy world of "elections".

The most powerful Law of Nature is Time. It is finite and we all will run out of it. Use this Law to your advantage, for it offers you infinite possibilities...

A Thought from George Carlin

Unsuspecting, willing, blind, controllable herd
Pawns in a covert game conducted by hands we trust
Dominated, compliant and deceptable
Confident that we matter - we don't see that we're but dust.

-Meshuggah "Dancers To a Discordant System"

lol i had no idea what number

lol i had no idea what number 3 was gna be... then, VINCEable!

Aye, win them with your charm

Aye, win them with your charm and tolerance, and if they can't be won, let them be. Not everyone is capable of thinking, and there's no need to alienate those people. Its so important not to be seen as insular douchebags who behave like a cult toward the uninitiated.


Disagree with softies Auto and Bill3 here. Are we supposed to be politically correct, call them "misinformed," and sing kumbaya too? If charm and tolerance do not work, pwn and berate sheep with your intellectual superiority. Brag about the underground prepper facility you installed in your backyard. Slightly lift your shirt and expose the 9mm tucked into your belt. Knock the i-distraction out of their hand and order them to stop being a slave. When SHTF, they will remember you and wish they would have listened.

when SHTF im def taggin along

when SHTF im def taggin along w newt. he will drink your milkshake. drink it up!