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A test of the truth ?

Now I ask you what race are you ?

Unless you answered anything other that ( Human ) tell me why.



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There is utility in descriptors

It can be totally useful to identify somebody by their race.

It just gets dicey or stupid when virtue, superiority, inferiority, etc. is blanketed on because of it.

This thread seems a little grade school. Are we responding to a liberal meme?

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I Think You Are Confused

Human is a species, not a race. Specifically humans are genus homo, species sapien (according to taxonomy). Race is a sub-classification of distinct human populations.

My name is John,

I'm an alcoholic.

Why didn't I answer "Human"? It's uselessly redundant to simply equate the term "race" with "species" as "species" does a perfectly adequate job in referring to that which I intend to refer when I use the term "species". Now that I've started to express why I didn't answer with "Human" I feel as if I could happily go on endlessly expressing endlessly further detail regarding why I didn't simply answer with "Human", but coded in my actual answer is the notion that I am at least familiar with compensating somewhat for the inherent defects of my race, and upon such reflected recognition I am reminded to cut myself off before things get too far out of hand and I am lost in the race once again.

I am the OP ...

... and this is why I am still on the DP ~ This comment has indeed given me food for thought and I humbly thank you for the banquet.

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Don't Give me Liberty, I'll get up and get it myself!

What race am I.

I am a race to the finish, and beyond.

But we still need more in the r3VOLution, or I will be spinning my wheels.

:-)

"What if the American people learn the truth" - Ron Paul

well, it's true that demarcations of 'race' are . . .

social, not biological, though there are gene pools--

even within the social designation of 'race'--

however, recently I read somewhere (a legitimate source, but I don't have the documentation)--

that all human beings, except people FROM Africa (not African Americans, who are a blend most of the time)--

have some kind of Neanderthal dna--

Many years ago spouse and I had a delightful friend (we've lost touch) who was half Scandinavian/half Jamaican--

who proposed that Africans had a history of greater civilization--

than any other--

somehow they managed to escape the caveman dna--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

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I used to be a pretty good sprinter. But now I'm a smoker

I used to be a pretty good sprinter, and mid-distances. But now I'm a smoker, I'm out of luck for races, these days.

Why you ask?

...

Just teasing.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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More seriously

More seriously, it's a mix of a redhead mom directly descending from the Vikings (Normands, yeah, from Normandy, much British kings-unfriendly) and a black dad from the Caribbeans, here.

Mom's whiteness largely won, apparently. Skin color can be so deceptive... Can't it? (Wait. Maybe that's why it shouldn't matter?!)

I sure got the being stubborn (and insubordination) from both characters, though.

"Bah. They have to bear with me." ;P

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Troll

Troll for truth.. the pink hair is natural too,, I'm so cute!

comment below me..............

may I add that a negro feller invented ICECREAM

how fliggin smart was that?
just a thought

figure out eggroll on your on

Can you handle the truth?

I think it can be shown that almost all significant leaps forward in math and science have been provided to humanity by white Europeans. Same with principled human rights philosophy and the development and understanding of complex markets. No other groups have excelled in these most important areas.

All empirical evidence screams that different racial groups have different behavioral tendencies and intellectual capabilities. There is strong, if not entirely incontrovertible, evidence that different racial groups have different IQ averages...with the averages corresponding perfectly with the success/failure rates of the groups in civilized society.

If this is so, it's desperately important to get it on the table, because a certain average level of intelligence, and a certain average in the ability to control basic impulses, is necessary for freedom to be a realistic goal.

It may be that the greatest danger to liberty comes from embracing the histories and cultures of peoples who have shown no special interest in, or talent for, the complicated and counter-intuitive process that leads to liberty. It may be that certain groups, as groups, with group averages, lack the character necessary to strive for or sustain liberty.

I hope I'm wrong, of course. But if all of history, and everything we see around us in our vastly different groups in the US, and internationally, is any indicator, diversity is absolute poison for liberty. We ought to focus on European and (almost completely) white American intellectual/scientific/engineering achievement, and not be afraid to tell people that this is what needs to be emulated.

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"I think it can be shown that almost all significant leaps forward in math and science have been provided to humanity by white Europeans."

A billion Chinese would like to have a word with you. Or was it Yu...?

I'm not saying that Europeans haven't contributed a lot to the world, but the Chinese and the Arabs have pulled their weight too. Also, if it weren't for the (dot) Indians and their wootz steel, white Europeans, specifically the English and Germans, likely wouldn't have made the advancements in metallurgy that allowed them to make the technological advancements they did.

Oh, and let's not forget the Japanese of course. A significant part of their modern culture is based around the pursuit of constant technological advancement.

EDIT: I accidentally a word.

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The argument isn't that all

The argument isn't that all other races are incompetent. The argument is just against the PC race and multiculturalism obsession. The hard fact is that we will benefit most from looking where the greatest successes in science and logic have taken place, and where individualist philosophy has thrived. If our goal is to advance toward a freer world, cultures that have gone nowhere over centuries are a waste of time. And, unpopular as the notion is, it may well be that the people who found and maintain those cultures are not, on average, biologically inclined toward philosophical and technological progress.

Like I keep saying, I would be thrilled if I was wrong. But as demographics shift, the various tendencies of various groups might be a factor to bear in mind.

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"The argument isn't that all other races are incompetent."

I didn't think you were saying that, I just felt that the groups I mentioned were influential enough to have made a significant impact on European progress.

"The argument is just against the PC race and multiculturalism obsession"

I'm not a fan of multiculturalism either. It's taking various, wildly opposing ideologies, sticking them together, then saying "we're all the same in every way". It's asinine.

"Like I keep saying, I would be thrilled if I was wrong. But as demographics shift, the various tendencies of various groups might be a factor to bear in mind."

You'll get no argument from me here. I pretty much said the same thing yesterday in that "Hood Life 3" video thread.

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The Greeks and the Egyptians

The Greeks and the Egyptians had a bit to do with the advancement of civilization. The Greeks gave us the term hubris. You might want to look it up.

WRT measuring intelligence across races it depends not only on the measuring stick, but also on the historical time period.

Caucasians have had the upper hand, power-wise, for the last few centuries, but perhaps you've never heard of the Mongols. Maybe the greatest empire in history, the Mongols outsmarted foes with superior numbers in battle after battle and were it not for an untimely death of a Mongol Khan middle age European history might have been quite different.

I must be willing to give up what I am in order to become what I will be. Albert Einstein

Greeks were white. Egyptians

Greeks were white. Egyptians were impressive but didn't contribute a lot to modern thought. As far as the Mongols, yeah, I just read a book on old Genghis....Asians, they say, average 7 points higher than whites IQ-wise. Asians could certainly be a plus in a free society, although their general history doesn't demonstrate any tendency, on average, toward individualism.

The theory isn't that whites dominate because they were created great. The theory is that whites underwent a particular kind of selection process, through environmental challenges, wars, diseases, development of markets, etc., etc., that left us with a certain combination of useful traits.

And who has started the most

And who has started the most massive egregious wars all throughout history? White Europeans. As for I.Q. tests, they are designed to promote a certain type of thinker and are not a complete view of intelligence. Rhinoceros is to spoon as corn is to...

Now before you make any assumptions about me, I an very intelligent and actually test in the 98th percentile, but that's not an adequate way of judging people.

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Who has written about the most egregious wars in history?

We only know about the 'white' wars because whitey likes to write. We'll never know how many African tribes were wiped out because they never wrote it down.

If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.
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Granted, but you don't know

Granted, but you don't know how often my brother hit me as a boy either, but that's not as large a scale as the conquest of England by Rome. How many African tribes have conquered the whole of Indo-Europe? One African tribe killing another tribe, or even all the other African tribes, is not as bad as Rome ruling the world.

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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

Exactly

Those good-hearted Africans didn't want no empire. Way back when they put on their best loincloths, gathered around the campfire and said look, if we get out of the stone age, one thing will lead to another, and the next you know we'll be running the world, being fed grapes by young girls while we lounge in amphitheaters watching slaves get killed by lions. That aint no way to be. So, lets make a pact. Let's not invent the wheel, lets not have a written language, and no tools beyond sticks and rocks. Okay? Okay. Put it there, my brotha.

So, from that day forward, the Africans stifled their massive curiosity, imagination, and self-discipline, forced their superb minds to remain utterly idle, and by this incredible effort were just able to avoid conquering Indo-Europe and founding an empire that people would marvel at for thousands of years to come.

Regarding wars, all races can

Regarding wars, all races can be extremely savage. The fact that warfare by whites is noteworthy could have a lot to do with their superior organizational and engineering feats. Could be, in other words, more evidence in support of the thesis that IQ can predict success rates in endeavors that require a lot of complicated order, discipline and cleverness.

War is one such endeavor, but the endeavor we're mainly concerned with, as libertarians, is market organization by people who can grasp how essential freedom is for real progress.

If there's a real IQ cut-off point, below which people can't grasp the logic of markets, freedom, spontaneous organization, etc., it's important to be realistic about this.

IQ tests may not tell the whole story, but as scientists we have to be honest that, if they can be used to predict success rates for groups, they're worth taking into account.

The Fatal Conceit

"the endeavor we're mainly concerned with, as libertarians, is market organization by people..." No. "We" don't want people "organizing the market." People who can grasp how essential freedom is realize that the market organizes itself quite well, even when low IQ minorities participate.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." - F.A. Hayek

If you think the market needs to be or even can be organized - with or without initiation of force, you haven't grasped this most elemental lesson.

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Weak, weak response. Split

Weak, weak response. Split hairs about semantics to avoid the issue.

Markets self-organize, as long as they are allowed to flower and function, which requires not having morons falling prey to demagogues and calling for markets to be undermined....In order to avoid this, you need a certain kind of character, and certain level of intelligence, on average.

No, you don't need super

No, you don't need super intelligence, you only need character. If you believe something is definitively wrong, you can't be misled by sophistry, because it wouldn't matter anyway. For instance, I believe murder is always wrong no matter what. It wouldn't matter how tricky you are or how beneficial you made it sound, I couldn't be convinced to accept a murder as OK. Perhaps if one is retarded (I use that word literally) one could be fooled from not being able to understand what is being said, but even a very below average IQ could understand that if murder is wrong, all other arguments in favor are invalid.

And what hairs did I split??

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The fatal conceit....

You're claiming to know what human material can be used to make a sustainable free society, although you have no evidence. Just PC longing.

I'm just pointing out, empirically speaking, only white Europeans have actually mapped out the necessity for freedom, mapped how it can be created and maintained, and even set up massive freedom-based experiments.

And I'm pointing out that other human groups, by comparison, have dismal, even laughable, records and lists of achievements.

So, at the very least, being obsessed with regarding all "cultures" as having equal value, despite their achievements and histories, is asinine.

To the extent that "race" and "culture" are synonymous, therefore, the doctrine that all races have equal capacities is also asinine.

When we negate white American and European thought and history to appreciate the thought and history of underperforming groups, we do ourselves a tremendous disservice. And we also diminish the cause of liberty, because we abandon the complex and principled for the arbitrary and nonsensical.

The OP's question was sort of a dare--or at least that's how I took it--for someone to say that all races aren't equal. My answer was that all available evidence indicates races are quite unequal, and more importantly for our purposes, evidence indicates that most non-white races lack the capacity to value and maintain individual freedom.

I know it's not a nice thing to say, but where's the evidence that that disproves it? I'm happy to know if I'm wrong.

"You're claiming to know what

"You're claiming to know what human material can be used to make a sustainable free society"

No, you are. I made no such claim.

"I'm just pointing out, empirically speaking, only white Europeans have actually mapped out the necessity for freedom, mapped how it can be created and maintained, and even set up massive freedom-based experiments."

Wrong. A Northwest Semitic people did this before Rome was even founded while the Greeks were still in their dark age - A dark age that was ended by the introduction of writing to illiterate Europe by Northwest Semitics. It may interest you to know that the American experiment with freedom was copied mostly from the Semitic one.

"And I'm pointing out that other human groups, by comparison, have dismal, even laughable, records and lists of achievements." Like writing? What a joke right? I mean why can't the DP just be a voice chat?

"So, at the very least, being obsessed with regarding all "cultures" as having equal value, despite their achievements and histories, is asinine...blah, blah blah." [blah's mine]

What is your point? I never said all races are the same, never said all races are equal, never said they have equal capacity. I am not PC, and I have no "longing" to judge groups of people; you do - in spite of the evidence.

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Yeah. Blah blah blah. My

Yeah. Blah blah blah.

My point is that demographics have a tale to tell, and we're being incomplete thinkers if we choose to ignore what's suggested by very clear trends in groups.

Yes, there are exceptions. Duh. There may be a black polar bear out there. So what? I'm talking averages. Science looks for recurring phenomena and then looks for underlying causes. The scientist doesn't say, well shit, someone found a black polar bear. I guess we can throw out all our polar bear data.

My original point was in response to the OP's PC BS.

"My point is that

"My point is that demographics have a tale to tell, and we're being incomplete thinkers if we choose to ignore what's suggested by very clear trends in groups."

Again, I never said anything about demographics or averages.

"Yes, there are exceptions. Duh. There may be a black polar bear out there. So what? I'm talking averages. Science looks for recurring phenomena and then looks for underlying causes. The scientist doesn't say, well shit, someone found a black polar bear. I guess we can throw out all our polar bear data."

No, you said:

"I'm just pointing out, empirically speaking, ONLY[emphasis mine] white Europeans have actually mapped out the necessity for freedom, mapped how it can be created and maintained, and even set up massive freedom-based experiments."

If a scientist says "I'm just pointing out, empirically speaking, only white polar bears actually exist," and then I show him a black one, he doesn't have to throw out all his data, but he sure as hell would be an ass to keep insisting his theorem isn't wrong.

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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77

Point taken.

So I revise that statement, which should have read: Overwhelmingly, white Europeans have made the most important strides in individualist philosophy and practical experiments based on that philosophy.

But hey, you knew exactly what I meant. Rare exceptions don't disprove principles. But people who are desperate to avoid principles will certainly take pains to highlight the rare exceptions.

Thank you. And for the

Thank you. And for the record: I think the idea that there are no races is bullshit. You'd have to be blind - literally.

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"Patriotism should come from loving thy neighbor, not from worshiping Graven images." - ironman77