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Proof that plane didn't hit Pentagon?

This is interesting. Can't wait for the naysayers to come out of the rug.


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Anyone who investigated enough should know

the Pentagon hole-in-the-wall was caused by a drone, not a plane. The drone should be considered a missile, as Rumsfeld "inadvertently" expressed. The hole was 12 or 16 feet diameter and a very clean round hole it was. Aside from the hole there was no other damage to the wall of the bldg. If a plane came in that low, which is impossible because of the updraft to the underside of the plane, the wings would have damaged the walls and the hole would have been a much greater diameter.
After a short period of time, maybe 20 minutes - not sure, a large portion of the wall surrounding the hole came down so it could no longer be visually determined the original hole size.
The debris left behind was miniscule. But photos show a very small engine nearby, an engine the size belonging to a drone.
Enough said, all the evidence is captured on video for the world to see. Anyone at this late date who continues to believe the govt "official report" or argues against a conspiracy perpetrated by our govt is either an idiot, govt shill, misanthrope, totally naive, unAmerican, racist, sleazebag, Bush or Cheney family member.

Building 7

Building 7, stop it, Building 7

I really hate the talk about anything other than building 7. Building 7, again I must say this whole subject is a distraction from building 7.

I just can't emphasize it enough building 7 or bust.

-quiet engineer

Fair enough?

Fair enough?


Just because you drew an outline of the shape of the plane...

... over the building, doesn't mean the hole is that shape.

LOOK Closely! Your outline drawn where the wings should have been, you can still see the building going all the way down to the bottom.

And your single still photo, is discolored, at distance, and a poor angle. This phonied-up diagram proves absolutely nothing. If anything it lends credibility to the conspiracy theory.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?


I think that loose change did go too much into the speculative aspect of 911, which seemed a bit counter productive to the cause imo. That picture may be more representative of the hole, but what doesn't make sense to me is... The pentagon is the central headquarters of military actions, and it's only equipped with one camera that has a 4 second frame rate? (well at least on that side of the building) That alone kind of smells stinky.

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The cartoon is not debating

The cartoon is not debating 911 truth, it's merely about the pentagon. Loose change is getting people believing crazy stuff, and that does not help the movement.

It looks like plane hit the pentagon, loose change is wrong.

I'm a 911 truther. I wan't to know what really happened, but I'm pretty sure 3 buildings were detonated. The no planes folks aren't helping us. They are crazies.

We need truth, not nutball ideas.


Go spend some time at Pentaconned...

View every piece of evidence they present...especially April, the Taxi Driver hidden camcorder Video, and the telephone recording of their conversation of the Southside loading dock guard (who would not go on camera and infact would never speak to thwm again) and then come back and call someone a crazy.

That photo suggested outline coupled with the dimensions of the 757, the ground affect of an aircraft, and the absence of any marks in the grass would suggest the crazy's exist on the official side. But let the evidence they have gathered speak for itself. I was very impressed by their highly comprehensive work.

At least explain the light poles given what you will hear...and there are many videoed testimonies to listen to from varied points of reference to the sight...

Stubblebine is highly credible as well...

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

nice cartoon.

nice cartoon

As a pilot I can assure you that whoever was flying that plane

did not do that maneuver in that size aircraft. That precise maneuver would be difficult to do in a Cessna 172 at a much slower speed. When you stress an airframe above it`s limits it comes apart and that maneuver was way out of the envelope of most if not all commercial aircraft. But it probably was possible in a military or EAA aircraft.

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people that pay no price for being wrong.
Thomas Sowell

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Phillip Marshall, Airline Captain rated up to 767, disagrees.

He and others flew all the patterns from 911 on several occasions in simulators, and had no problems after the first few tries. He stated in his book, "The Big Bamboozle", that the first few attempts on the Pentagon route, he overshot the target because it was a real task keeping the nose down, but performed it easily once making that adjustment.

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". . . and had no problems after the first few tries"

The inexperienced terrorists got ONE try and they pull it off perfectly, but experienced 767 pilots needed a few tries? That doesn't strike you as not actually proving anything? To me it demonstrates how difficult a maneuver it is if experienced pilots needed to practice it a few times.

In a simulator, at that...

There is video of the "object" hitting the pentagon, too. Jesse Ventura did a really good episode of Conspiracy Theory on the Pentagon. They showed the video, a short clip. It comes in super fast, obviously, and is directly parallel to the ground. It looks wayyy to small to be a commercial airliner. Looks like a big missile.

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Don't forget that there were high res video cameras

placed all along the top of that building along each expanse of the pentagon sides...of every ring...

Where is it?

Wha? .....hey....who stole my country?

Absolutely Correct And

the experienced 767 Pilots were doing it in a non stressful situation on a simulator, not real time, like the inexperienced "terrorists" were supposedly pulling off.

The whole thing is really laughable when you examine it and consider carefully what they want us to believe. The sad part is that the people accepted this nonsense in the beginning. But Like the Major General it is because we can not and do not want to believe that our government or elected officials in the government would do this to their own people.

The good news is that they are awake now and the people are very, very angry. Many have lost all faith in the establishment and that includes both parties.

i feel that all the planes

i feel that all the planes where controlled with GPS systems that automatically had the designated targets punched in like a guided missle. this system would only need one man to instal over a period of months in advance. it would be small and hidden. someone who worked on the planes. i also feel that there was crazy muslums inside the plane but they just went for the ride in the cockpit.

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don't forget

good ol rabbi dov zakheim, comptroller, was a founder of a company that developed remote takeover of airplanes "to prevent hijackings".

"If this mischievous financial policy [greenbacks], which has its origin in North America, should become endurated down to a fixture, then that government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off its debts and be without debts. It will hav

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Flight recording data is measured at 4 second intervals.

The door could easily have been opened and closed during that time, or that sensor could have been inoperative. Wouldn't be the first time.

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By the accounts of the trainers

the terrorists were woefully inept at piloting aircraft too.

IF a plane did hit the pentagon, it was not flown by an inept terrorist.

Just open the box and see

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What it suggests is the pilots had much more extensive training

than what has been reported by the two Commissions, which is the premise of Marshall's book. He believes they had to have real "yoke time" in order to be able to pull off those maneuvers, and he believed that training occurred at CIA facilities in the Arizona desert. He was writing the next chapter of his investigation when he fell victim to "suicide".

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From All of the Research

I have done [and it has been hours and hours for years now] I too like the Major General feel it was a missile. If not then I feel we need to look to Dove Zackheim, who was the Comptroller for the Department of Defense, at the Pentagon, when Rumsfeld announced that there was 2.3 trillion dollars unaccounded for with the DOD on 9/10.

Here is a link that will get you all up to speed on Zackheim......


I feel that if it was a plane it was taken over by remote control......and guess Zackheim, [was also] corporate vice president of the Systems Planning Corporation (SPC), a high-technology research, analysis, and manufacturing firm, and chief executive officer and president of SPC International.

"Here's the wrinkle: Zakheim's company produces advanced Command
Transmitter Systems, designed to provide "remote control and flight
termination functions through a fully redundant, self-contained solid state system." The unit is just 5 feet high and can be mounted easily on a mobile platform. Although designed to control unmanned flights such as Global hawk from remote positions on the ground, one British aviation engineer said after 9/11 that the planes used in the attacks were [or] could have been equipped with, or suitable for, such remote control units."

In the link above [http://rense.com/general75/latest.htm] in the second paragraph you will note:

"Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world."

Wonder if Edward Snowdon, who also worked at Booze Allen Hamilton, has any intel on Zakheim and that is why TPTB are going nuts. The plot does thicken does it not?

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Think about that. Say you are Rumsfeld...

2.3 trillion is missing. The comptrollers are hot on the trail. You are all set to eliminate the comptrollers tomorrow with an elaborate false flag operation. So you decide the best thing to do is announce to the world 2.3 trillion is missing.
And just for the record, the Pentagon has dozens of accounting offices, all of whom were tracking down the unaccounted funds (not missing), and they are scattered all throughout the building. Only the Navy accounting office was hit on 911.
Also, according to Philip Marshall, it would be impossible to rig the planes with remote control without the pilots discovering during routine pre-flight checks. And the wobbles in the flight paths are clear indications they were not remote controlled, but flown by inexperienced pilots.

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Perhaps the General can explain what type missile would

explode on the exterior of the building, leaving scorch marks 300+ feet across the outside of the wall, and after exploding thus, then proceed to penetrate through so many rings of the Pentagon, at the same time undercutting the building laterally on both sides of the main entrance hole. That's some missile.
Scorching on exterior:
Pentagon Scorch Marks

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Because of the fires that the missile started inside, maybe?


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How does a 747 make this hole?

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All that pic shows is the port wing hole. Try this:

It's a composite, which shows measurements of the hole:
Pentagon Measurements

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Most likely a weaponized drone...

and pre-placed bombs or other explosives could explain that mystery.

Burden of proof

The burden of proof is on the people who make the claim that a plane hit the pentagon.


I guess I don't disagree...but it seems to me someone claiming it was hit by a missile, or bombed from the inside, or whatever, has an equal burden of proof.

Trust Albert Stubblebine at your own risk.

Albert Stubblebine is a pro Military-Industrial Complex, military, intelligence, NSA and Booz Allen Hamilton connected insider. If you trust this guy, and his repeating of discredited misinformation and disinformation about the Pentagon, I feel sorry for you.



Albert Stubblebine was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command:

The United States Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) is a direct reporting unit that conducts intelligence, security, and information operations for U.S. Army commanders and national decision makers. INSCOM is an organization within both the United States Army and the National Security Agency, the United States's unified signals intelligence organization. Within the NSA, INSCOM and its counterparts in the U.S. Navy and U.S. Air Force are known as Central Security Service.


The Central Security Service (CSS) is an agency of the United States Department of Defense, established in 1972 by a Presidential Directive to promote full partnership between the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Service Cryptologic Elements (SCE) of the United States Armed Forces in the field of signals intelligence.


The Pentagon was hit by Flight 77. And 9/11 was a conspiracy involving Bush's administration, small groups in top level CIA, FBI, NSA, Pentagon Department of Defense, Israeli counterintelligence Mossad, Pakistani ISI, many millions of dollars in funding from the House of Saud, with 19 real hijackers.

Albert Stubblebine conflates "no plane at the Pentagon" with controlled demolition at the WTC. It is the classic guilt by assoCIAtion attempt to discredit: that's the entire purpose of the 'no plane pentagon' misinformation and disinformation.