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An open letter from Roger Waters

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There has been some comment on the Internet about the Wall Show in Belgium to which I feel I should respond.

One Alon Onfus Asif, an Israeli living in Belgium, came to The Wall show in Belgium last week and being an observant sort of chap Alon noticed a Star of David on the Pig that is destroyed by the audience at the end of the show. Then Alon dutifully videoed our Pig on his phone, posted this video, and alerted Israeli Daily, Yediot Ahronot. This story was duly picked up by the ever watchful Rabbi Abraham Cooper, Dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center and the entirely predictable resulting rant is attached here:


Often I can ignore these attacks but Rabbi Cooper’s accusations, are so wild and bigoted they demand a response.

Dear Rabbi Cooper,

I hold your outburst to be inflammatory and un-helpful and would suggest it can only impede progress towards peace and understanding between people. It is also extremely insulting to me personally in that you accuse me of being ‘Anti Semitic’, ‘A Jew Hater’ and ‘Nazi Sympathizer’

I have three specific points to make:

1). Your use of the adjective “ANTI-SEMITIC”.

First I direct you to an announcement by ‘The Anti Defamation League’ an American organization, who’s declared aim is to defend Jewish people and Judaism from attack. They recently said.

“While we wish that Mr. Waters would have avoided using the Star of David, we believe there is no anti-Semitic intent here.”

I should point out that in the show, I also use the Crucifix, the Crescent and Star, the Hammer and Sickle, the Shell Oil Logo and The McDonald’s Sign, a Dollar Sign and a Mercedes sign.

2). JEW-HATING? I have many very close Jewish friends, one of whom, interestingly enough, is the nephew of the late Simon Wiesenthal. I am proud of that association; Simon Wiesenthal was a great man. Also I have two grandsons who, I love more than life itself, their Mother, my daughter in law, is Jewish and so, in consequence, I’m told, are they.

3). NAZI? Not only did my father, 2nd Lieutenant Eric Fletcher Waters, die in Italy on February 18th 1944 fighting the Nazis, but I was brought up in post war England where I received the most thorough education on the subject of Nazism and where I was spared no horrific detail of the heinous crimes committed in the name of that most foul ideology. I remember my mother’s friends Claudette and Maria, I remember their tattoos, they where survivors, two of the lucky ones.

My Mother spent the whole of the rest of her life, involved politically to make sure the future for her children and grandchildren, in fact for everyone’s children and grandchildren, black, white, Gentile, Jew, Latino, Asian, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, et al, had no Sword of Damocles in the form of the despised Nazi Creed hanging over their heads.

I for my part, as best I can, have continued along my parent’s path. At the age of nearly 70, in the spirit of my Father and Mother and all they did, I have stood my ground, as best I can, in defense of Mistress Liberty.

The Wall Show, so lamely attacked by you, is many things. It is thoughtful, life affirming, ecumenical, humane, loving, anti war, anti colonial, pro universal access to the law, pro liberty, pro collaboration, pro dialogue, pro peace, anti authoritarian, anti fascist, anti apartheid, anti dogma, international in spirit, musical and satirical.

It is not.


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Paper plane from the back of the class.....

I think everyone's taking the wrong meds....

The communists were not

The communists were not offended, Christians were not offended, Shell was not offended, McDonald's was not offended, those holding dollars were not offended, each one of these entities exercises tolerance in understanding the right of FREE SPEECH and yet, unsurprisingly, certain jews in positions of power could not help but spew out an accusatory diatribe of falsehoods.

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.” - attributed to Voltaire

Roger Waters - To Kill the Child (with lyrics)

There is no difference between a Gentile and a Jew

Just as there is no difference between a Christian and a Human.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

The real trick is not to be offended, but to be humble

because your rabbi hasn't the slightest idea how to form character of his own, he is using your energy, what little energy he can gather from you he will use to bring another anti-semite into the fold and again and again until he served his purpose; he is not a spiritual leader, he is a spiritual shepherd; he writes code to automate people and does so in vanity.

My advice, stay true to yourself and your own teachings because your elders are not always the wise ones, especially if they proclaim a part of humanity as their own.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican



"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild

"give me control of my own permaculture and I care a lot about what makes law"

-Permaculture Republican

I will reveal my own naivete here, but

why was the nation of Israel not created in Germany post-war, where it could have been given 50% - 60% plus of the country's land mass (the most fertile and/or resource-rich section), and where the Germans could have been herded into the remaining section and ruled over ruthlessly (because those motherfuckers would have deserved it)... instead of having been plunked down on some innocent people in the Middle East who participated in neither the holocaust nor the wholesale destruction of Europe?

WTF? Was it in part due to the fact that--no matter the heinousness of their crimes--German nationals were overwhelmingly "white" and Christian?

(I know the answer has to do with crooked politics, etc., but I'm still confused on this score. Is slavery to the Bible-as-real-history plus revenge part of this equation? Give a brother a hand!)

What would the Founders do?


Zionism was not a result of the Holocaust... in fact it pre-dated it by many decades.

The purpose of Zionism, since its founding, was always to obtain a state in Palestine.

How it does relate is that there was no great support among the Jewish community of Europe for Zionism until the Holocaust made the survivors feel extremely unwelcome in Europe and so they got on board the Palestine train.

Many of them tried to come to the USA instead of join the Zionists, but they were not allowed into the country because immigration quotas for Jews (as well as other types of foreigners) were in place at the time.

Please Remember This About Germany

As a proud German-American, I'd like to share a few items on this subject. First, Germany welcome with open arms many of the Jews who were expelled from Russia via the Pogroms of the late 1800's and early 1900's. They befriended them, became their neighbors and lived harmoniously for a good spell. Second, after the first world war ended, Germany suffered outrageous war reparations led by the British, even though the Germans offered to end the war with Britain a year earlier (and they had the upper hand at that time) peacefully and with no reparations. And third, the Germans discovered who had sold them out at the end of WWI at the Treaty of Versailles in 1919. Hint: The Zionists. These are the facts and they are well-documented.

Add to this, it was an Austrian - not a German - who came into power and ruled over the Germans in the early 1930's. Something to ponder when you make comments about how bad you think the Germans were during WWII.

As for why the Jews were given Palestine and not Germany, I offer you this: Go to Amazon.com and buy "The Transfer Agreement" by Edwin Black (who is Jewish). Here is the link. If you don't want to buy the book, do yourself a favor and at least read the reviews:


Happy Trails......

It's well documented with many twists different than your own

Even in THE GREATEST STORY NEVER TOLD, which begins within the first 15 minutes stating that there were, 6,000,000 COMMUNIST JEWS in Germany at the end of WWI. It's facinating to me that the 6 Million figure showed up without any connection to a holocaust.

It appears the wars were actually private banking (royalty and religious banks) Rothchilds Vs Central Banks, Rockefellers (new money from the industrial age) Rothchild's exhile to Palestine was what motivated the Balfore Treaty, which Hitler (who was used by most Europe, except Russia, to do the dirty work of purging the hungry masses- Jews and poor) collaborated with the Grand Mufti establishing and training the Waffen SS to finish Europe's purge, by creating a predetor trap in Israel, where Jews would follow Rothchild and be terminated in Palestine rather than Europe.

I believe the world did not expect the Jews to WIN Israel, hold onto it, and remain the only sovreign state signed onto the UN Charter.

I think the allied bombing of Germany was to cover up their own crimes. I think Hitler was made a scapegoat. I think the communist charge is an excuse on many levels..

Edwin Black, interesting enough, went to Israel and lived on a Kibbutz, which is a COMMUNE.. today, Kibbutz are having a very hard go of it, far reduced in number, as Mushavs are what people prefer, where they own their own land, house, business, business owners, most everyone is in the IDF, so they are all their own police.. and living in the city is very costly, but also very cosmopolitian and definately NOT arparthide.

What is also interesting about Germany is how Berlin was the "sin capital" of the world. Hitler cleaned that up, and I think he got much resentment for that, not just by communists.. but by capitalists.


the Rothschild banking system wanted a Middle East criminal syndicate outpost to control the resources there and used the myths of the 'chosen ones' with God as their real estate agent and later on the holocau$t to achieve it. This plan is still ongoing. But you should do your own research if this subject is of interest to you.

Your idea of collective punishment for the remaining German people after WWII makes no more sense to me than the collective punishment of the Palestinians. The common people are always pawns in a bigger game. As the new saying goes... "all wars are bankers wars." Just follow the money, it'll take you there.

Chastisement accepted.

Your idea of collective punishment for the remaining German people after WWII makes no more sense to me than the collective punishment of the Palestinians.

Fair enough, although it's never quite so simple; guilt exists in shades, layers, viscosities, and in concentrations. The Nazi machine was not some edifice stacked upon the backs of a wholly victimized / coerced / unwilling German population; there was real enthusiasm, participation, and contribution throughout the general public for, in, and to the fascist operation. There was also plenty of complicity to go around. Palestinians neither participated in nor contributed to any such similar oppression of any group of people / nation (of which I can think, but please educate me as to any obvious applicable regional history of which I may be ignorant) prior to their "punishment" of having the state of Israel laid upon them.

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This I already knew (hence my sheepish acceptance of your criticism):
The common people are always pawns in a bigger game. As the new saying goes... "all wars are bankers wars." Just follow the money, it'll take you there.
Indeed. And thanks. I'll certainly do more to educate myself here, as I am almost--as we say in Indiana--"ignernt" with respect to this area of study!

What would the Founders do?

Whille that may have been an interest

For Rothchilde.. it was also to be a predator trap, in that Europe was tired of the purge.. Warsaw uprising prooved the cat was out of the bag.. they could unarm the Jews, but the Jews were revolting, burning thier homes, fighting with their bare hands.. so what the Nazis and their allies had been doing was no longer working, thus they needed a new way.. so The Barfore Treaty carved a a little piece of British Occupied Palestine and made a "State", not officially yet.. but they got the word out:

"Feeling like you no longer belong in Europe? Think your neighbors hate you and want to eliminated? Worried about being a holocaust victim? MOVE TO ISRAEL!

And they did.. the British with help from Islam sank ships of refugess, lined up on the shore and shot them as they came to land.. Israel was to be where the world could deposit and anhilalate the Jews. This is why the Granf Mufti agreed, and even moved his own people off the land, to set a trap.

Well, it didn't exactly work out the way the world thought it would. The world we live in expects a Detroit.. Detroit would never had fallen if it had been Israel.

So now the world see that it created a problem and many believe the solution is to wipe Israel off the map. That is NO joke.

I do not believe that is the solution. I believe there needs to be two states.. and if you don't know by now, I think Israel KNOWS how to operate. I think the world has it backwards..

I think Roger Waters missed a HUGE opportunity. All he would have had to do is say, I'm not the art director, I didn't know. I too find it offensive and will remove it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

He would have made friends rather than some long rant that as hard as he seems to try, excuse after excuse.. doesn't sound very sincere.

The pig is old anyways.. saw that back in the 90s..

Never saw a swastikka on the pig though.. hmmmm.

Thanks for the historical insight.

I'll check it out.

As far as Waters is concerned, though....

"He ... doesn't sound very sincere."

I respectfully disagree; I think his sincerity is obvious. (I suppose you could call him a liar, as you are free to do so, but I simply take him at his word.)

"Never saw a swastikka on the pig though.. hmmmm."

Yes, it would be an appropriate--and I think *valuable*--addition: It would greatly strengthen the message, add weight, and tie the past to the present (via implied continuation of the same old injustices and abuses in authoritarian / totalitarian environments) in a visceral way. Plus seeing the symbol representative of the state of Israel alongside the swastika--never mind corporate logos, etc.--would jar people (many, anyway... hopefully) into considering how and what similarities may exist between the two states (behavioral)... while no doubt offending many, nevertheless.

What would the Founders do?

No, not a liar

More like a drama queen who thinks his fame puts him above accoutable responsibility. A offensive defense is still offensive (adding injury to insult), and the fact that he doesn't care who he offends may thrill those who also don't care who they offend, or how, but it's no way to bring PEACE.

As it is, I see the pig and it's it's symbols of hate as a perfect representation of Roger Waters.

It's all about



Isn't it?

Entertainment, which is Roger Water's business, is based on emotional response, FEELINGS.. the music feels good, the light show, props of pigs included, are also to enhance FEELINGS. I bet most people never really paid close attention to the symbols.. "Oh look Charley, there's a McDonald's symbol, are you hungry yet? Some would call such symbols subliminal suggestions.

Some organizations are highly aware and on the lookout for subliminal suggestions, such as advertisers, which employ them, through colors (red for example, you can see most corproations selling food have RED signage). Is it any accident that Pink Floyd has a McDonald's symbol? Do you think McDonald's makes extra shipments of their product to local restaurants near a Pink Floyd concert?

How much do you think Pink Floyd makes from such advertizers for each concert? Nothing? Think they are not in it for the money?

Could be the person who saw the Star of David was being paid by McDonald's to see how many times such symbols were shown per minute to make sure McDonald's was paying Pink Floyd was correct.. "Pink Floyd attorney contracts 12 McDonald images per show for $120,000.00.. did they show McDonald's image 12 times?) And since McDonald's is willing to PAY.. is AIPAC paying for free advertizing of the Star of David on a pig, or is someone else paying Pink Flyod to advertize the Star of David on a pig?

Roger Waters and Pink Floyed just got BUSTED.. his drama queen response says BUSTED, but I'm sure his fans don't care and will defend him, because they wwant to see the show to FEEL GOOD, and don't care if McDonald's is paying $120,000.00 per show, and like Big Macs anyways.

For you,

it is only about feelings.

The emotional overload crowds out logic.


As a former producer, I have little feeling for music. I have an eye for talent, great appreciation for those with talent that are good with business, or smart or lucky enough to surround themselves with good attorneys, or business people.. but the sad truth for me, I don't really have any feelings about or for music.. unless it's Cha-ching.

Your every response

is diversion.

Very telling

and very honest granger. When the Cha-ching is the only thing that matters, feelings become an unnecessary distraction. It certainly shows up in the product that your fellow tribesmen in the industry so heavily promote... so can I presume that their mindset is very similar to yours?

ex tribesmen

though I definately have the tribal scars.. No different than anyone in the arts really. Film editors tell me they can't watch movies.. fine artists can't go to museums... it was not easy to get out.. there is a strong bond to the motto: "The Show Must Go On", and the feeling that you are letting the world down from the high you provide for them, keeping venues in business, corporations with promo, fans with memories, attorneys with portfolios, law and order with bodies, wannabes with dreams......

It all started so innocently, like any addiction.


the first comment of yours I've found remotely interesting. Thanks for sharing.

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