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Freemasons, I'm joining. Well, thinking about it. Your thoughts?

As simple as the title, I've been skeptical, and I've studied intensely for over a week on the matter. I think I want to be a part of the group that started the Boston Tea Party, had a large number of generals including George Washington during the Revolutionary War be Masons, as well as helping Gallieao against the church in spreading truth. That's a good track record. Plus, 9 signers of the Declaration of Independence, several signers of the Constitution and 14, I think, presidents of the U.S.

Why not be a member when their history lines up so well with what I believe in, based on things like I mentioned above.

There are obviously the occult symbols, so on, so forth, that I think are misunderstood, like much of libertarianism.

Your thoughts oh powerful Daily Paul?

Sincerely,

PL

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Are they free?

and are they masons?

If I were going to join I'd just say I want to go straight to top, and skip all the low level crap.

It would be easier to just

It would be easier to just become a kabbalist. Same religon without all the hoopla

"and the truth shall make you free"
John 8:32

Not the same religion, not the same thing, at all.....

Judaism is a religion. Kabbalah is not. Kabbalah is weird, & not part of mainstream Judaism.

There are links between Masonry & Kabbalah, but they are not synonymous.

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Have fun, my girlfriend's dad

Have fun, my girlfriend's dad is in it and all they do is drink themselves stupid.

Southern Agrarian

Not the same guys

The Masons are stone cold sober.

Perhaps you've got them confused with somebody else. They don't allow booze in the temples; no way. They might maybe because of financial reasons, rent out some space for events or maybe now and again host a party for the wives and sneak in some booze on a lower floor or someplace off to the side, but if there's drinking going on, it isn't a meeting.

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Oh it was the Shriners

Oh it was the Shriners

Southern Agrarian

Studied Exhaustively

For that week. Still haven't joined, still thinking about it. Seems good, but people seem to throw out the most fearful things they can about it, like people do about libertarians...who will build the roads? Shit like that.

just go

to a lodge that is close to you and talk to them...if they scare you or you're not comfortable then just leave.
Instead of asking people who have never been in a lodge you should check one out for yourself.
thats what I did...I actually went to several lodges, you should do the same if your interest in freemasonry is real.

Why not join

the Moose Lodge?
You won't have to dress up like a clown for parades, or ride mini scooters, or wear that purple hat with the tassel
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better off joining

the brickmasons !

Becoming a Freemason is like

Becoming a Freemason is like joining the oldest union in the world.

People who can't stand on their own that need other people to lift them up.

Why stand alone as an individual tree when you can be apart of many shadows in the forest?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Yes, this is true....

...and has much to do with why I'm not a Freemason. The Freemasons have long had fellow travelers that agree with them, but for whatever reason, never desired to join ranks, prefering the individual battle. I respect their goals, but I choose not to make them my own.

Well, what are their goals, exactly?

Serious question.

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Freemasons, aka, "Ancient

Freemasons, aka, "Ancient Globalists."

If 99% of their water is pure, but 1% is arsenic, would you drink it?

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Ancient globalists, LOL, exactly...

You are correct, I believe.

At the very least, the Illuminati, who even George Washington admitted infiltrated Masonry in the Americas, are definitely globalists.

RonPaulIndiana be right that 'Illuminism' & Masonry had made an official pact/alliance; that makes sense and would not surprise me at all.

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vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izy0wUyeKgg

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul

The Freemasons are not the Illuminati

Not the same group, not the same goals. Your video preacher fails in the first 20 seconds.

actually...

On the 16th of July, 1782, at the congress of Wilhelmsbad, an alliance between illuminism and freemasonry was finally sealed. This pact joined together all the leading sdcret societies of the day and united "not less than three million members all over the world." The actual effect of this merger on the history of the world has never been understood by historians. "What passed at this terrible congress will never be known to the outside world, for even those men who had been drawn unwittingly into the mobement, and heard for the first time the real designs of the leaders, were under OATH to reveal nothing. One honest Freemason, the Comte de Virieu,...when questioned on the 'tragic secrets' he had brought back with him, replied: 'I will not confide them to you. I can only tell you that all this is very much more serious than you think. The conspiracy which has been woven is so well thought out that it will be, so to speak, impossible for the monarchy and the church to escape from it.' From that time on, says his biographer, M. Costa de Beauregard, 'the Comte de Virieu could only speak of Freemasonry with Horror.'" -[newswatch magazine, Sept. 2009. pg. 5] Of course not all masons are let in on this, only the select few really understand what freemasonry is. Freemasonry is satanism, it's teachings are based on the Luciferian doctrine. That is why they will tell you that they "We worship A God, but it is the God one adores without superstition." [lucifer]. .... when you study more about people like Albert Pike, and Karl Marx you will be better educated on the subject.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul

Excellent post... Check this out...

"Is Freemasonry inherently Luciferian?"... Or was that a later development, popularized by Albert Pike or someone else, or what?
One thing has become clear, the Masons that frequent here on DP, are not talking... But they are down-voting, lol...

http://www.dailypaul.com/295710/is-freemasonry-inherently-sa...

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I'm not real sure, but

here is another excerpt:
"Public attention was first drawn to the existence of the Illuminati and their diabolical plan for world conquest as the result of a bizarre accident in 1785. History records that a courier for the Illuminati, named Lanze, was racing on horseback from Frankfurt, Germany, to Paris, France, carring documents relating to Illuminati activities in general, and specific instructions for the PLANNED French Revolution in particular. The documents originated with Jewish members of the Illuminati in Germany and were addressed to the Grand Master of the Grand Orient Masons in Paris. As the courier galloped through Ratisbon (Regensberg), he was struck by lightning and killed [thank you Lord :) ] All the papers he was varrying fell into the hands of the local police who turned them over to the Bavarian Government. The authorities ordered the police to raid the headquarters of the Illuminati. This resulted in additional documents being captured: these documents revealed that the conspirators had world wide aims.
All of the carefully documented evidence was brought to the attention of the governments of Britain, Germany, Austria, France, Poland, and Russia. For one reason or another, possibly inside Illuminati influence, these governments chose to turn a deaf ear to the warnings contained in these dreadful documents. Four years later, the French Revolution exploded on the European scene in all of its hideous fury.
Sir Walter Scott, in the second volume of his The Life of Napoleon, points out that the events leading up to the French Revolution were all created by the Money Barons - the illuminati - whose agents then led the mob in creating the famous Reign of Terror.
The following facts emerged; Adam Weishaupt was born on the 6th of Feb, 1748. His early training by the Jesuits had inspired him with an intese dislike of that Order. When he broke with the Jesuits, he immersed himself in the subversive and anti-Christian teaching of the French philosophers and other writers who appealed to his innate sense of superiority.
The next five years were devoted to meditation, during which time he devised a plan to overthrow civilization and establish what he termed a "Novus Ordo Seclorum" - a New World Order. He constructed the actual machinery for revolution itself. On the first of May, 1776, Weishaupt founded the secret society of the Illuminati, the instrument by which he planned to accomplish his goal." [(Newswatch magazine, Sept. 2009. pgs 4-5 / taken from "Fourth Reich of the Rich, by Des Griffin, 1983, ISBN;0-941-380-00-9)]

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul

I was of the understanding that the

Illuminati was made up of a globalist carnal that has top members from many secret societies, and their break away groups, not just the Freemasons.
I stand to be corrected here.

Sounds about right Jill...

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Well, I guess you need to be corrected...

Yes, the Freemasons are part of a larger group of secret societies. No, that doesn't include the "illuminati". Or the order of skull & bones. Different long term goals. Look at what the freemasons have done in the past, that we know about. One of those things was the Boston Tea Party, followed by the Declaration of Independence. You shall know them by the fruits of their labors. I would dare to say that the vast majority of Freemasons don't know what the real secret is, and none of them (nor do I) know what the details are. Nor can they find out. The strange thing is that the movie "National Treasure" was fiction, but also got some things so correct. No, the treasure isn't gold, although that literally could exist somewhere.

BTW, Opus Dei is another one of these secret organisations. Opus dei maintains a parrallel hiegarchy all the way to the council of cardinals. They literally have their own priests, bishops & archbishops; whose authority isn't defined by a geographical area. Notice, if you will, that the same kind of negative propaganda is often directed at Opus Dei. The movies The Davinci Code and There Be Dragons are fairly dedicated to using Opus Dei as a classic evil secret society. Is anyone here really going to claim that Opus Dei is a cult? As the many known Freemasons would likely say, (i.e. Ben Franklin, Voltaire, John Hancock, Will Wipple, etc) you should think for yourself.

Thank you for

your reply.
Will do some research on it.

100% Deception

Freemasonry is 100% based on deception. At least for the "new" members. Sure they will tell you all about how it is a brotherhood, and about how they built solomons temple and all that crap, they will lead you to believe that you understand (somewhat) what it's all about, while you actually know nothing. You know you must pay your dues, you know the only way out is death, you know they say you must believe "in a god" yet they don't say which one. You cannot believe in Lucifer without believing in the Lord. I've had many family members and friends in the group, and they have all been good people... but one of the ones who had reached one of the highest ranks told me he wasn't supposed to say anything negative about the group, and told me it's not what it is percieved to be. He said sternly "DO NOT EVER JOIN.." He was a devout Christian beforehand, and I can tell he regrets joining this group. Do More research. The masons are not what they use to be.

“Let it not be said that no one cared, that no one objected once it’s realized that our liberties and wealth are in jeopardy.”
- Ron Paul

Parinoid Much?

Occult knowledge or an awareness of mystery wisdom or spiritual science or whatever you want to call it has been around since before ancient times; in different cultures throughout the world and since always. Freak out about 'The Illuminati' if you will but wide-scale psychological manipulation of entire societies has occurred as a phenomenon time and again throughout history, in recent history, right now, and before history was even being recorded. The Freemasons most certainly didn't invent any of that knowledge nor are they at all the only ones now aware or previously aware of the fact that others have and do very much believe in such things and do now and have in the past used occult wisdom toward sociological manipulation. Whatever it was that a long time Christian in your family discovered that wasn't in line with the sensibilities of his Christian dogma and doesn't for the sake of your peace want for you to know about isn't anything new or anything the Freemasons came up with for themselves.
Personally, I think it is a good thing that local boys that will be diligent in looking out know about such stuff.

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. - Margaret Mead

Oh, God, you don't really

Oh, God, you don't really believe all that nonsense , do you? It is YOU that need to "Do More research."

If you disagree with me on anything you are not a real libertarian...

Studied for over a week . . . ?

Give it more than a week, friend. In the end you may find that studying is of greater value.

Do you get a fez and a go-cart?

If so, resounding yes! Or is that the Shriners?

I've never known anyone into freemason theory that wasn't involved in at least two or three ancillary versions of crazy. Just MHO, but I wouldn't listen to the naysayers if you believe there are good reasons to join. What are your reasons?

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Interesting take

on freemasons from a liberty perspective....just my two cents.