15 votes

Freemasons, I'm joining. Well, thinking about it. Your thoughts?

As simple as the title, I've been skeptical, and I've studied intensely for over a week on the matter. I think I want to be a part of the group that started the Boston Tea Party, had a large number of generals including George Washington during the Revolutionary War be Masons, as well as helping Gallieao against the church in spreading truth. That's a good track record. Plus, 9 signers of the Declaration of Independence, several signers of the Constitution and 14, I think, presidents of the U.S.

Why not be a member when their history lines up so well with what I believe in, based on things like I mentioned above.

There are obviously the occult symbols, so on, so forth, that I think are misunderstood, like much of libertarianism.

Your thoughts oh powerful Daily Paul?

Sincerely,

PL

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.

Breathing perverts truth.

Everything in which you could possibly participate is a cult.

Choose well your cults.

I suspect the reason you want

I suspect the reason you want to join the FreeMasons is similar to the one used by many to justify service in the US military, i.e. influence and money. I agree with Alex Jones that the time has finally come for Americans to choose sides. Frankly, I don't care what you choose to do. I'll leave you with this piece of advice: choices have their consequences.

By The Way

My uncle was a free mason. He died recently and had lots of money, but told me Free Masonry is bad news and was begging for God in the last months of his life. Pretty sad story. So not all Freemasons are God like people.

Why

'join' any group of this nature?

why did ralph

on the honeymooners join the raccoon lodge?

Exactly

.

Join only if you want to learn and enjoy helping others in need.

I waited a long time and only regret waiting so long. You are not required to be anymore active or involved than you wish to be. You can make of Freemasonry anything you want, just like life. It is an education, providing help for sick kids who no one else will help, and is a good way to strengthen the community.

Masonry is not incompatible to Christianity or any other major religion, no matter what you read on this site or in numerous books written by sensationalists.

If you want to read a great book about Freemasonry and someone that joined to expose Masonic secrets, read 'Journey to the East' or 'Siddhartha' by Hermann Hesse. Watch the movie 'The Man Who Would be King' and read the short story it is based upon by Rudyard Kipling.

If you do join, do it with an open mind and great humility. You won't regret this decision.

Siddhartha?

I own this book and have read it twice, what on earth does it have to do with freemasonry? I missed that connection. I always knew you were a mason, with sign on name like "DeMolay" its fairly obvious, a reference to Jaques Demolay of the knights templar, burned at the stake, this is were those weirdo masons got the name for their little boys club known as the Demolay boys, where the start the indoctrination and brainwashing at an early age.

Bump

:)

Perhaps you should read these inspiring words first.

Current News

This is a portion of the speech that President John F. Kennedy gave at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961. "The President and the Press" before the American Newspaper Publishers Association.
"The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know." John F. Kennedy

Blood oath of apprentice mason

"At this time, he is required to take a blood initiation oath; every Mason who joins the Lodge takes his thumb or his hand to his throat and he then repeats an oath that has been repeated by every Mason who has joined the Lodge.

In the Entered Apprentice or first level of the Blue Lodge, it includes the following words: “Binding myself under no less a penalty than having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out by its roots, and buried in the rough sands of the sea..”

http://www.saintsalive.com/resourcelibrary/freemasonry/why-a...

That being said, the shriners took care of all of my wife's medical bills when she was born severely handicapped and the Jewish Education Association treats my wife much than any YMCA/YWCA she has ever visited.

It is up to your conscience whether or not you can take a blood oath of secrecy. I could not, as I take my word VERY seriously.

The True History Of Freemasonry

Title: 211 - The Secret Behind Secret Societies

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Much has been written on secret societies and there are numerous speculations as to which powers control them. The nature of secrecy is such that the real power behind the power should remain exactly that-Secret. In this lecture, clear evidence is provided to show who really stands behind the throne of Earthly power.


http://youtu.be/eDrscByKEUQ

This One Focuses On Freemasonry....

Title: 212 - Hidden Agendas

Author: Walter J. Veith

Description: Exposes the philosophy behind secret societies. It unequivocally proves from the best sources that the deity of the Bible. Study the evidence for yourself and prove whether these things are indeed so.


http://youtu.be/0Q18iSz6mus

If you seek enlightenment

It can only come from within. Don't expect they will have all the answers - they won't.

If you are fairly religious, some of their rituals might disturb you.

Remember that Masons are not bound by religion or creed.

Some freemasons I have read and/or admired include Rudyard Kipling, Richard Burton, Arthur Conan Doyle, Algernon Blackwood, William Butler Yeats, Arthur Machen and Aleister Crowley. I'm fairly sure Blavatsky also had masonic standing, though I can't find confirmation, I'm nearly certain of it.

Most masons despise Crowley, to them he is an embarrassment. So if you join it's probably not a good subject to broach.

You may want to research a bit before making a decision....

Freemasonry is definitely not what people publicly say it is - they only say the good things, just like people are friendly when you first meet them. I would suggest you research Captain William Morgan - he was murdered by the Masons for writing Illustrations of Masonry. Also, Morals and Dogma would be a good read since you hear things from the horse's mouth. Albert Pike, the highest Freemason during the Civil War period, explains that Lucifer is their god, and this should only be professed to the higher degrees since the lower levels are sheep to be sheared. Ex-Jesuit Priest, Alberto Rivera, ex-Bishop Gerard Bouffard and John Todd, would also be good to research. The Jesuits created all of the higher degrees and control everything at the top. Yes, there are benefits to joining the Masons, but like the Word says: " For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?" Mark 8:36. If there is nothing bad with the organization, then why so much secrecy? Also, I would like to clarify, to be a 33rd degree Mason, you have to perform the ritual called the Warrior on the Block, which is not spitting on the cross, but instead, human sacrifice.

Hope this helps in making the right decision.

Go for it

It's a great group of people who do a lot of great things for their community,

HAHAHA!

I knew the Granger would say some dumbshit like this. Are you really a woman? Masonry looks down on women as a sort of inferior human species, its in their own writings for the world to see. The Granger, I figured it out. Its pseudo name, an enigma, you are a member of the "Grange" secret society for farmers, acting on behalf of the Old World Order, a catholic professing and jesuit acting charachter on the dailypaul. Avidly defends zionists and masons, the keepers of the western worlds wealth, the hoarders of technology, the royal families and bloodlines who have slowly been losing their grip and now in fact oppose a "New World Order" one in which they no longer control. One dominated by the eastern secret societies and Asian/ eurasian governments which are not under the masonic and jesuit control. Granger your ruse is up. I bet when Rand Paul gets denied the nomination, which I currently support his run, you will be pleading with us to support, whoever the Old Word Orders new puppet is, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Chris Christie, doesnt matter you are a minion for Babylon and just playing your part. I vote the Granger leaves. Sitting on a republican comittee in leftist bankrupt California is like saying you are fighting Nazi Germany by bombing Japan. Its a pointless battle only fought to improve your image and win the trust and support your "friends and homeland".

That would be incorrect

Eastern Star is the women's branch, and it has been very successful in shaping many good things in communities rights for self determination.

One of the founders of The Grange was Carolynn Hall. Grange helped women get the right to vote,, here in CA women had that right 11 years before the nation.

We are losing our grip.. that is true. The UN Agenda dominated by communists and Islamic states is advancing and I guess that's what YOU are for?

I would be dissappointed if Rand abandoned the nomination, as I was dissapointed when Ron Paul did.. Bush, Rubio, Christy are globalists, not Masons.

As for the vote of, "Granger should stay or get lost".. IF you had read the topic post, you would have seen that I made the post for a friend who offered me a subscription for my birthday.. rather than accept the gift, I gave my friend the opportunity to have a topic post to see for themself if that's where they wanted to invest.

You analogy about the GOP committee is only proving you have NO CLUE what is actually going on [talk about pointless, however your insults (which I see as personal frustration on your own part) is duly noted)].

Granger.. Bushes are Skull & Bones, which is a Brotherhood Order

...and therefore they are FreeMasons.

They are Templars, at the very least. Therefore related to Scottish Rite Masonry. They are all inter-related.

You know that, too.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Yeah, lawnmanjed

I've seen many of the YouTubes, you know, the YouTubes that TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH.. the ones made to WAKE US UP.

And then I've done my own studies as I am a granger, which is a fraternal organization that was established by the masons, and as a 7th degree granger (that's national level and the highest degree) and I know many masons and Rebecca's and Eastern Stars, and Lions, Eagles, Rotery, Knights of Colubmus, sons of libertiers, red men, odd fellows, and some folks who belong to other Mason established fraternal orders, and have been to many halls, witnessed many rituals, know many secret passwords and hand signals.. I find the YouTubes to be twisted.. and designed as fearmongering tools to repel people from the very organizations that can empower them to set themselves free.

I am young for my achievements.. and I feel very lucky to have been able to witness what I have first hand, and I think it's a shame to see these organizations get labled as evil because they are not.

I KNOW what good we do, and we do a lot of GOOD WORKS.. our breakfasts turn out the community.. and maybe it's why I live in such an independent, politically active, and generous community where neighbors help neighbors?

I don't think it's any accident that Bush and Kerry are the names associated that help give these organizations evil names. The YouTubes take the exceptional bad apples and lable the entire cart for their works, but never mention the GOOD WORKS or exceptionally brilliant people who, to this day, society benefits greatly from their genius, generousity and charity.

Yeah, cause I get all my information from youtube... (sarcasm)

I have been studying freemasonry & secret societies for over a decade.

What does you being a 'Granger' have to do with Bush being Skull & Bones? How does that make it untrue?

All the pancake breakfasts in the world wont change the facts.

PEOPLE OPPOSING TYRANNY - Real Grass Roots!
Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

Both fraternal orders

were started by Masons. We each have our rites, secret pass words, ceremonies, hand signals, inniations, tools, symbols, connections, secular establishments (ours is an 11 story building in Wash DC and we have many claims to political fame, locally, state, and nationally.. Grane is what gave you state and county fairs, Ag and Home Ec in universities, rural mail... the list is long, and we also have our famous members...

To me secret means PRIVATE.. "You want to know, join."

We don't need social security, we are social security. We don't need insurance, we are insurance, we KNOW how to restore the republic.. we built the republic. We are Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Greens..

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has." - Margaret Mead"

You can tell people, but you can't tell them much.

yes the

Wives of masons have their own club, but cant sit in the lodge with the big boys. Segregated, just like prince hall masonry is for black people. You pushed for Romney, you're gonnna tell me he is not a globalist? Californias GOP has no power, you are greatly outnumbered, in states like this it seems to me pushing the democrat party in the libertarian direction would be a better strategy. No I am not frustrated at all. Islamists and communists will never have a true alliance, the two are diametrically opposed. I am for NWO, meaning no world order! You're old world order cabalist lackeys have been cheating, manipulating, and destroying mankind for a thousand years to many. Talk about communists though, masonic writers proposed it! Theosophists and masons alike call for a new world order based on marxist ideology.

deep sigh

I did not "push for Romney".. I explained that in my becomming a delegate for Ron Paul, I had to sign a loyalty to party oath, which I did FOR RON PAUL. And I worked very hard FOR RON PAUL. His loss was a HUGE loss for me, and I was bound by my oath to vote Romney, not for Romney, but for the principle of keeping the oath I toof FOR RON. I didn't have to say anything. it was my hope that people would LEARN, because I had no idea and being quite doesn't help people LEARN. All you learned was how to dis me.

The Islamists and the Communists already have a true allience in wiping Israel off the map.

As for a no world order.. try surfing.

I know many masons and never met one who proposed it. Aske George Waashington, his picture hangs in EVERY Masonic Hall in the USA.

What say you

then to Gerorge Washingtons journal entry on american freemasonry being inflitrated by illuminsts and jacobinists?

How about John Quincy Adams letters on freemasonry? Was he just a crazy conspiracy guy too?

IMO

GW did not declare himself KING, because he had one named George. And that is why when you see the words ROYAL FAMILY, you immediately think of one family in particular, rather than many others, who you most likely have no idea they exist:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_royal_houses

Yea like set policy in secret

Yea like set policy in secret and worship osirus. Go for it dude!

so what?

The Masons started a lot of organization like the Grange.. BIG SEVRET society.. IOW it's not the government's business.

so what?

They also were responsible for one of the largest rings of government corruption to ever be exposed, prosecuted, and convicted. The P2 Freemason lodge of Italy, right near where Granger??? The Vatican! Where your jesuit ninja buddies usher in the New World Order that you so resist, as long as the New World Order involves the UN, which is run by who...? Lets not even get into allegations of pedophilia and human sacrifice at the highest degree. Its just sick, un-American, un-Godly and unrighteous and for you to defend it and at the same time act like you are against one world government is truly revealing of your nature and agenda.

"The masonic fraterinty tramples upon our rights, defeats the adminstration of justice, and bids defiance of every government which it can not control."

-Millard Fillmore, 13th President of the United States of America

Exposed by who?

Convicted by who?

Vatican has their own, protestants are Masons, but anyone of any religion can participate.

NWO has been undone by a UN Agenda that has a majority of communist and Islams states.

I believe the Catholic Church took WAY TOO LONG in correcting the CRIMES HENIOUS BRUTAL INHUMAN IMMORAL UNJUST crimes against chiildren,, and I do think it was an infiltration to take the church down, yet I will give the Church credit for making changes to PROTECT CHILDREN.. think the Catholic Church is the ony organization that has abused Children? From my personal experience at a Gosple group I can tell you that is not correct.. but who cares about children.. this is about attacking The Church really.. using children as an excuse is also immoral, it's the abuse of inniocents, not sexually but ethically.

Fillmore loved having slaves.

So do you

love the idea of having slaves? I was not referring to abuse in the Catholic church. I was talking about abuse allegations against the lodge, or temple as they use to call it. Who cares about children? I do. Jesus said once "and whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it will be better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea". God will have his day of judgement and justice will be served. I pray for mercy on my soul. I pray for world peace. I pray the wickedness in high places is brought to the ground and then bound in hell for eternity.