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Freemasons, I'm joining. Well, thinking about it. Your thoughts?

As simple as the title, I've been skeptical, and I've studied intensely for over a week on the matter. I think I want to be a part of the group that started the Boston Tea Party, had a large number of generals including George Washington during the Revolutionary War be Masons, as well as helping Gallieao against the church in spreading truth. That's a good track record. Plus, 9 signers of the Declaration of Independence, several signers of the Constitution and 14, I think, presidents of the U.S.

Why not be a member when their history lines up so well with what I believe in, based on things like I mentioned above.

There are obviously the occult symbols, so on, so forth, that I think are misunderstood, like much of libertarianism.

Your thoughts oh powerful Daily Paul?



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Here's how I see it

As a granger..I had no idea what the grange was when I went to a pancake breakfast, so I checked it out.. it was non-party politics, very political in that it's built like a political party, so I learned Robert's Rules of Order, how to write resolutions and inniatives, how to find and work with lobbiests.. on local, county, state and national levels.. my grange helps write many laws that pass here, where it is a very indpendent county with 9 granges, and we have other fraternal organizations, and we don't need social security because we created our own, some granges produce their own electricty, WA state does a 17 square mile area.. IOWS these fraternala organizations were constitutional government, of, by and for we the people who live in an area..

When the UN agenda came up, and the idea about everybody being beholden to government, dependent on a nanny state, there was an infiltraitoion to undo the grange.. it's happening to the state now.. as the older generation passes.. what is passing with them are all these lessons, tools, the ability to be of, by and for yourself INDEPENDENT... so I see this YouTube stuff making all these secret society claims,, we call it PRIVACY.. it's to dislodge people.. get rid of the masons and you get rid of people who KNOW how to write laws for you locally. They don't teach you this in school.. they don't teach you any of the tools to be independent in school... so I for one, hate to see them vanish.. my experience with the grange helped me navigate my way through the GOP.. I'm doing By-laws now, because I KNOW Robert's Rules of Order.. I KNOW how these things work.. no one on my committee, but one older person knows.. the learning curve is huge, too many people are not interested.. so same goes for the masons.. so goes the grange, so goes the USA// HELLO UN Agenda not constitutional but rather laws by precidents, set by people who are above the law, becuase the laws are not by, of, and for the people of an area, but AUTHORITY for ALL people everywhere.

Im sorry

if I insulted you.


"secret society claims,, we call it PRIVACY"

You've immaculately described with your scenario of experience, the true meaning of the term "secret". Knowledge, information, wisdom, and experience are secreted from one generation to the next. It doesn't mean "hidden" necessarily. It means knowledge is directly passed as a secretion in the same way a mother's milk is passed from her nipple to her child's tongue.


The eastern star is a pentegram. Pretty straight forward message imo


Spoken like a true misinformed. Sounds like you've watched too many Hollywood horror movies selling fear, doubt, and superstition.

The emblem of the Eastern Star Order is a five-pointed star with the white ray of the star pointing downwards towards the manger. In the Chapter room, the downward-pointing white ray points to the West. The character-building lessons taught in the Order are stories inspired by Biblical figures:
Adah (Jephthah's daughter, from Judges)
Ruth, the widow
Esther, the wife
Martha (sister of Lazarus, from the Gospel of John)
Electa (the "elect lady", from II John), the mother

Definition of a pentagram - (sometimes known as a pentalpha or pentangle or a star pentagon) is the shape of a five-pointed star drawn with five straight strokes.

To become

A 33 degree mason you have to spit on a cross. That should tell you something.


alex jones is hilarious!

alex jones is hilarious!

if you do get in, can you see

if you do get in, can you see about having my bike returned? i have had a grudge against the freemasons ever since a gang of them accosted me in the street and jumped me for it. it was a Mongoose. thanks.


nice. always bill. ha

If you must, but this is REQUIRED viewing:

What would the Founders do?

be skeptical to what most people posted

I'd say go for it if you like the particular lodge.

I consider it just philosophy and a fraternal brotherhood.

Although I don't believe in religion nor do I believe in the occult. But history, symbolism and ideas I'm fine with.

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It won't be what you expect

Most of what you hear about it is bullshit. Especially what people say about it on this site. It is not an organization of elites or anything like that. It doesn't run anything. It doesn't stand for anything politically. Its members have all kinds of different opinions and none of them can speak for Freemasonry itself.

Choose which Lodge you join very carefully. The whole concept is fantastic, but it all comes down to the cohesion of the Lodge. If the Lodge lives up to the ideals of the order it's amazing. If not, it sucks. Sadly, many Lodges have terrible ritual, terrible festive boards, lame events, and generally don't take things seriously. I've heard some in the US don't even enforce a dress code.

Make sure you spend time with the members of any Lodge you're thinking of joining. Attend their events. Pay attention to the senior officers. Are they good men you can respect? If not, find another Lodge.

Definitely check out more than one so you can see the difference. There are Lodges full of businessmen that meet in fancy places with high dues. There are Lodges that meet in more modest spaces that won't cost as much. (Meeting in an expensive place is nice, but doesn't automatically make everything good) You'll be able to visit any Lodge when you become a full member of the fraternity, but you only get one opportunity to be put through the degrees by the Lodge you join so don't feel you have to rush into a choice. Repeat: You DO NOT have to join the first Lodge you are introduced to.

Good advice.

Good thread.

Texe W. Marrs

Texe W. Marrs

Texe Marrs was assistant professor of aerospace studies, teaching American Defense Policy, strategic weapons systems, and related subjects at the University of Texas at Austin from 1977 to 1982. He has also taught international affairs, political science, and psychology for two other universities. A graduate Summa Cum Laude from Park University, Kansas City, Missouri, he earned his Master’s degree at North Carolina State University.

As a career USAF officer (now retired), he commanded communications-electronics and engineering units. He holds a number of military decorations, including the Vietnam Service Medal and the Presidential Unit Citation, and served in Germany, Italy, and throughout Asia. He was chosen Airman of the Year while serving in Korat Air Base, Thailand.


Haupt’s The Gods of the Lodge and Marrs’ Conspiracy of the Six-Pointed Star Prove Satanic Connection of Masonic Lodge and Jews’ Religion

“Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

John 8:44

“Yes, (the Egyptian god) Osiris does live in the darkness and shadows of the Masonic lodges and temples...He was the God of Solomon and is the reason God tore the Kingdom of Israel from Solomon’s throne. Solomon died serving the God of Egypt.”

Reginald Haupt, Jr.
The Gods of the Lodge (p. 9)

In studying the sacred books of the Jews, the Talmud and the Kabbalah, and also those of Freemasonry for more than a quarter of a century, there is one conclusion I have come to—that the God of the Jews and the God of the Masons is the same God. And his name is Satan.

Of course, both the potentates of the Masonic Lodge and the chief rabbis of Judaism will say this is not so. Their own holy books instruct these demonic rulers to lie and conceal. But what I say here is so, and in my newest, heavily documented work, Conspiracy of the Six-Pointed Star, I prove it.

The Gods of the Lodge, by Reginald Haupt, Jr., with new Foreword by Texe Marrs, 195 pages ($18 + S/H)
The Gods of the Lodge
Another newly printed book we are now offering through the ministry also proves that Satan is “God” of both the Masonic Lodge and the Synagogue. This book, The Gods of the Lodge, by Reginald C. Haupt, Jr., deals a harsh and real blow to the ambitious, but wicked, aims of Freemasonry. I was privileged to write a foreword for this outstanding book and in it, I make mention of Haupt’s astute observation that Freemasonry is not only a religion, but is, in fact, the basis for all pagan religion, including Talmudic Judaism. Masonry is nothing less than the ancient Egyptian religion, decorated with arcane symbols and signs and painted with deceptive and worthless Judaic terminology.

What is most interesting is that each of these two sides of the same old and tired Egyptian religion—Masonry and Judaism—end up assuring the hopeful, but deceived, candidate that by proceeding through a bunch of silly rituals and by rejecting the firm foundation of Jesus Christ and His doctrines, the candidate can attain his own godhood. Yes, the dumbed down Mason or Jew really comes to believe that he can become a deity, even a “Christ.”

The Builders of the New World Order
What supreme trickery to build up a person’s pride so excessively that he fancies himself “perfected” and deserving of a noble reign as a divine god. The Masons boast that their leaders are “Master Builders.” The rabbis claim they are also building a global kingdom.

Satan, no doubt, enjoys this little bit of deceit and is preparing to take advantage of this grotesque theater of the absurd by producing an antichrist to ascend the throne of a Judeo-Masonic Kingdom on planet earth. Satan’s minions have adopted a name for this kingdom—they call it the New World Order.

In The Gods of the Lodge, Haupt quotes one Masonic authority after another who make reference to their Egyptian-based religion and the god whom they wish to exalt as the Great Architect of the New World Order. The chief deity is Osiris, and the Mason’s encyclopedia teaches that:

“The promise of life is Osiris. The great doctrine, the great revelation of all the true Mysteries, is that Osiris lives: but he is known by other names. We also, as Masons, look forward to union...with Osiris...To be united with him forever.”




The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself.
Friedrich Nietzsche

Maybe if it was today what it once was it'd be cool

but it's become a boys club for people attempting to make business connections and fulfilling a need to belong to something. Not interested in that.

Then there's the whole lure of the "Masonic Secrets" which you can easily find today on your own thanks to the internet—perhaps not directly but if you read enough and study their symbology deep enough it's not that hard to see the sings and symbols in abundance in many other places.

It all depends on what you intend to get from it I guess. Also makes a difference where you would be a member.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

"There are obviously the

"There are obviously the occult symbols, so on, so forth, that I think are misunderstood, like much of libertarianism."

Have fun!

John Quincy Adams says Run!

"I do conscientiously and sincerely believe that the Order of Freemasonry, if not the greatest, is one of the greatest moral and political evils under which the Union is now laboring … a conspiracy of the few against the equal rights of the many … Masonry ought forever to be abolished. It is wrong – essentially wrong – a seed of evil, which can never produce any good.” -US President John Quincy Adams, “Letters on Freemasonry” 1833

"The Masonic fraternity tramples upon our rights, defeats the administration of justice, and bids defiance to every government which it cannot control." -US President Millard Fillmore

"All secret oath-bound political parties are dangerous to any nation, no matter how pure or how patriotic the motives and principles which first bring them together." -US President Ulysses S. Grant

"The institution of Masonry ought to be abandoned as one capable of much evil, and incapable of producing any good which might not be affected by safe and open means." -Supreme Court Chief Justice John Marshall

Masonry has created rifts in my family, I've seen their Bible and it caused me to have the aha moment in regards to Israel. My friend was showing me her deceased grandfather's Masonic Bible, telling me it was satanic. I looked it over and noticed that all the stuff in the front never mentioned Christ, but was strictly Old Testament. I remembered what my grandfather (also a lifelong mason) had told me about you just have to have a code. But this is not what the Bible teaches. I left the page with diagram of Solomon's Temple open on the table and it hit me: I asked my friend, " Whoa, you don't think that they're all about building this Temple in Israel so that the Antichrist can pretend to be God, do ya?" She was like "oh, man!" We both got the willies thinking about that. But as I've learned more about all this stuff, it's more like a duh! moment.

The churches are full of masons now, wonder why they're so ineffective? Maybe they're quenching the Spirit. Check out John Quincy Adams' work on the subject to get a perspective that isn't tainted with the hysteria of our current age.

Reading the comments reminds me of why I'm here.

This place is full of well informed thinking people that love the message of freedom.

Confessions From an Ex-Freemason to Stephen Knight – At 33rd

Confessions From an Ex-Freemason to Stephen Knight – At 33rd Degree – LUCIFER (SATAN) IS GOD – WE WERE LIED TO At The Lower Levels !

Confessions From an Ex-Freemason to Stephen Knight
Confession made by a former Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander of the Thirty-First Degree of the Ancient and Accepted Rite who had withdrawn from Masonry in 1968 for religious reasons.

He was a judge, and a particularly quick-tempered one. We spent a long time talking about Masonry and religion, but after a while I began to ask him about the Ancient and Accepted Rite of the Thirty-Third Degree. About Masonry, he said quickly. ‘No, I dare not go into that,’ he said. ‘We’d better stick with religion.’ It seemed a perfectly normal answer . and sounded like the usual rebuff. But I thought immediately afterwards how strange it was that he had used the words ‘dare not’. Most people said, ‘I’d better not’, or ‘I’d rather not’. I remarked on his use of the word. He said, Anyone in public life has to be cautious.’

‘Cautious,’ I repeated. ‘That’s a masonic word of recognition.’

‘You’ve obviously delved into the ritual, so you know,’ he said. ‘But I mean cautious in the sense everybody understands it.’

‘What must you be cautious about?’

‘I don’t like this line of questioning. I agreed to speak to you in general terms about why my commitment to Jesus is incompatible with the masonic religion. I do not wish to be drawn into discussion of matters covered by whatever undertakings I have … taken.’

‘By undertakings, do you mean masonic oaths?’

He paused. ‘Yes, I do. I prefer the word obligation to oath. It’s not the same.’

I remember thinking as I turned the conversation back on to the track I wanted it to follow that it would be interesting later on to return to this question of the distinction between an obligation and an oath. I never did.

‘Why do you have to be cautious, careful’, I said. ‘You’re not a Mason any more. I’ve got copies of all the rituals of the 4th to 33rd degree. There is no obligation which could possibly be interpreted to forbid you from telling me what you meant when you used the word “dare” in an ordinary conversation.’

This isn’t about my religious convictions, is it?’

Read more: http://wesdancin.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/confessions-from-a...

Thanks for posting... very interesting

I read both interviews. The second was very insightful.

I have, for last few years, been suspecting that there are competing factions within Freemasonry.

That there is a "Dark Side" of the 'Force', if you will. Yet I believe there are still good Masons out there, advocating responsibility, and restraint... Caution... when it comes to using the Craft.

This is a result of speculative Masonry, that there will be those who choose 'unwisely'. But many apparently have decided that Lucifer is the Light, and he is the lord. I don't know if this is the original theory behind Masonry, or one of several.

I personally don't feel I need Masonry or any collective, to find G-d and enlighten myself.

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Oh the glory days when Kings

Oh the glory days when Kings and the Vatican Church ruled Europe. So sad those rationalist, conspiring, freethinking men had to come about and destroy it all and create the Citizen.

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I don't get the negative votes on this

It makes me realize how much sensationalism is really going on here.

That's a historical fact that the Church hated masons because they opposed their power structure, supported hated theories like we weren't the center of the universe, and in our founding, the separation of church and state and the freedom of religious choice.

Washington was a proud Mason, and I have no doubt what they did, including help start the Revolution and WIN IT, was honorable, and on the right side of history.

If you want to know about why or how they could be evil, I suggest reading one of Washington's letters still stored in the Library of Congress.

Check it out.


I thought all this Illuminati crap was just that, crap. Until I read that.

Maybe the Illuminati did infiltrate it and change it to something evil, in which case as such a historical treasure, I see it to be up to good men to make it what it once was. Or, perhaps just stay away from it all together. Or, maybe all this sensationalism is just bullshit. I'm staying objective here.

After all, Ron Paul doesn't want to defend the U.S. at all, wants us all on drugs, is a huge racist, and hates poor people. See what I mean, it's all perception of the uninformed.

So, maybe a little objectivity could go a long way here.

You could criticize their

You could criticize their tactics for certain but as Jefferson said if they'd been in the US there'd been no need for such secrecy.

They were actually libertarians and their founder greatly disliked the occult and mysticism.

If you look into it more, you'll find most of the negative perceptions are based on myths and hoaxes, and other groups not connected to them.

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Interesting thread

I enjoyed your post and the responses here , I have a freind who's a mason , he's sort of a neocon who's coming around on a lot of issues I debate him on . I considerd joining myself ... My uncle was a mason he was an accomplished guy , ww2 fighter pilot . I say you go first and be the guinea pig , if its safe let me know in 6 months then I will try .


Have you read anything by Charlotte Iserbet? (SP?)

What I do know is that a lot of the men most heavily involved in implementing Agenda 21 at the local level are Masons, self professed publicly, btw, they are not hiding it. I know several men who are Masons, including some in my own family.

I overheard some pretty serious things as a child when my uncle was joining but I won't disclose a 40+ year old memory. I will say.... :-\ well, I will just say my thoughts about it are negative. Funny how people sometimes don't 'see' children. It was a huge WTF moment for me decades before I knew what WTF meant.

Libertarianism and joining a "secret society" of that scope seem like hugely conflicting activities to me.

Freemason = Bad News

If you are religious and believe in God than what you are doing is against everything he taught, but if you don't believe in God. go for it. Nobody is stopping you, but don't be fooled.