This is the impression some of us are leaving. Lets THINK before we speak

While we want to reflect the common goal of doing what we each can to make Dr Paul President Paul- one of the best ways we can educate ourselves is by hearing differing opinions- often time by the end of a controversial thread I am better informed to counter arguments and concerns by undecided voters on some subjects. Its a fine line. On the one hand we are a grassroots effort - not a bunch of cheerleading lemmings, and on the other we need to be constantly aware of efforts by the ingenuine to sidetrack us and waste time. Some seem to be better at spotting a true "troll" vs a well-meaning supporter who wants to bounce around some ideas that may allign more with other candidates. I agree with Trebor -often times the comments on a thread clearly are a response to the headline and not the content. We will never at the Daily Paul be able to eliminate trolls- or even the loose cannons in our ranks. How we respond to them is what matters.

Good thing we're republicans

maybe it's time for another forum? where the only thing you can be banned for is not expressing reasoned views.

for reasons why you should support Ron Paul? Keep your questions simple. I haven't read your previous post so I cannot comment on it. The way I ask questions may be different from you. I always try to make it a one-liner. If I need more, then I'll ask again. I'm sorry but I dislike questions from a person who already knows the answer. And personally, I certainly dislike asking questions in a form of a short story.

"He who exercises government by means of his virtue may be compared to the north polar star, which keeps its place and all the stars turn towards it." Confucius

I think we need different forums for different types of people. Some people want serious discussions, some want positive updates and comradeship. Some are new and want questions answered. And then there are others who want to discuss campaign strategies.

DailyPaul is not the place to learn about Ron Paul.
That is at www.RonPaul2008.com

Dailypaul is more like a diner. Lots of conversation, character, and activity. It's fun, but not a good place for deep discussions.

Treber just needs to find his/her best RP environment, or else create one for supporters like themselves. THAT is how the movement works.

What some don't understand is that you need to care what the others are saying in order to rebut their claims. It is more effective if you understand their thought process and use it to shift their views. How can you disagree with someone if you don't know what you're disagreeing with?

Ever wonder why kids feel like their parents don't understand them? Same thing.

Right on the money Treber, good job....

Its all about listening skills.... and so few people of have them (including my wife...lol)

Please hang in there.... if you wish, chat with me. I would love to listen to your concerns and worries and thoughts and ideas.

Treg / Tempe AZ

Look, it's like this treber: if you want America to merge with Canada and Mexico and eventually into the New World Order, then, no, your thoughts will not coincide with those of Dr Paul.

In that case you will be better off choosing any one of the other clowns on the ticket - they all favor this sort of vanilla-dumbed-down world where people are "much better off" because they are controlled by the "wise" world government leaders.

It's that simple, the choice is yours.
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Guys, how about you give treber a break? He's (or she's?) voicing legitimate concerns and getting attacked as a troll and a "drama whore" for doing so - this is the sort of thing that reflects badly on Ron Paul supporters.

I'm a Ron Paul supporter in Britain, and so being somewhat of an objective observer, I'm forced to partly agree with a lot of what treber has said. I have seen, on more than one occasion, on more than one site, that when someone asks legitimate questions or expresses legitimate doubts or disagreements with Ron or his campaign, they get shot down for "not being a patriot" or not having "conviction" or for being unhelpful "to the revolution". I am appalled at how some of the people here are reacting to this forum. "Get a life", "you're a troll", etc etc, and the one that asked "are you mentally lacking ... people will suffer and hoards will DIE". Step back for a moment and think about how you sound. Is that how Ron Paul would respond to opposing views?

You guys are exemplifying the way the neocons react, not the way RP supporters should. Neocons shoot down arguments by saying those against them or "unpatriotic" or "in bed with al-Qaeda" or "consumed by anti-Americanism". Is this the level some of you are steeping to, shutting down people's arguments with petty insults? You know, Hitler used to call opponents to the Nazis "anti-German".

The opposing viewpoint to Ron Paul's is most vocal, righteous, and aggressive (and underhanded) in touting their ideology and denouncing Dr. Paul's.

I suspect that if you have lurked around here and researched Paul's platform as much as you claim and you still are not an adherent then you probably aren't inclined to ever be one.

I think you're beginning to learn that people have different steadfast opinions; certainly, nobody knows why I could care less about Hillary, Obama or Edwards but believe that Ron Paul is "The Cat's Pajamas." in the end, however, the answer to this question probably doesn't matter because each and every candidate is sinful and human.

as Gandhi said: "be the change you seek" so, if Dr. Paul isn't for you, and that's your conviction, save yourself some stress and either find a candidate who lowers your blood pressure, or, be like most Americans and simply ignore the primaries altogether.

i.e. you can't change people and thus you're not going to change how people emotionally and/or intellectually respond to your thoughtfulness; i.e. after several thousand years of "thoughtfulness," people still struggle with their pursuit of truth and justice.

and blaming libertarian thought for this struggle is useless since the struggle is universal.

Looks to me like you found some of the people you were looking for in the first place. Sane discourse types. We are here in the movement, it's just we don't make as much noise as some of the rest.

My advice is, phrase you problems into a question, listen to the answers that ring true inside YOU, and then form your own point of view.

That's really what it's all about.

Turn a problem into a question into a solution.

btw, thank you for giving me the opportunity to say these things today. Without your concern I would not have put these things into words.

Namaste.

Well... this is politics and politics is pretty rude and vicious. Are you new to political activism?

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As Dr. Paul said last night during the MSNBC debates, he thinks the Republican tent needs to be made larger. Unfortunately, as with any movement, when you enlarge the tent you get some of the types you mention. In my opinion, this is no different than when Karl Rove enlarged the Republican tent to invite in Evangelicals, and got this likes of Jerry Falwell identifying themselves with the Republican Party (As I recall, I think Barry Goldwater said something along the lines that Mr. Falwell needed a kick in the a_ _ ). Were all Evangelicals like Jerry Falwell? No, and not all supporters of Ron Paul are ready to shut out opposing viewpoints either; but walking away from the movement just because some are willing to take it to extremes does all of us a disservice.

If you'd like a private conversation free from accusations of being a troll, please share what issues you interest you when picking a candidate with me:

My email is

"my username"@gmail...

"AFTER reading these comments, I couldn't care less about him, or his campaign."

If you're going to let the actions/statements of supporters of a candidate influence your support of that candidate then you're the one with the problem. And I'm not saying this to attack you further. I'm saying this because you're discounting a guy solely because of the actions of some of his supporters. That's seriously flawed logic.

I wouldn't care if every RP supporter turned on me today, I'm still voting RP no matter what, because I believe in what HE says. I couldn't care less about what his supporters say.

This is called passion for a candidate.
Which if other candidates supporters haven't approach you like this Paul supporter did, then that ought to tell you something.

Rush Limbaugh even said yesterday that he was seriously thinking about not voting this election if the Repub candidate was just as liberal as Clinton or Obama. Talking about everyone but Rudy I assumed.

It's a easy call for most of us who stick to principles over party. In fact it's a no brainer.

Look I hope you can make up your mind who to vote for but for a true conservative I would think 7 out of 10 of them know who to vote for to continue Conservatism for many decades to come in America.

The only thing I can say is there are people within the movement who are aware of what is going on. We are doing things to inject some more sanity into the movement. It's taking time.

We have a crap ton of newly awakened twenty and thirty somethings that seem to be in some sort of shock. They are not bad people, they have just been asleep their whole lives and are freaking out a bit.

We could really use someone like you. You seem to be the sane discourse type. Please, stay and help us turn things around. These are good people and they need good, sane thinking examples.

Please, don't give up just because you see a problem. Every problem has a gift for you, but you may have to work for it. Help us work for it.