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What Were The Five Most Liberty Destroying Actions?

My picks are the following.

1. Marbury v. Madison. The Federal Government determines if a Federal action is Constitutional. So, the Federal Government polices the Federal Government. Great idea -- for the Federal Government.

2. The Civil War and its aftermath. This is based on the premise that the war was not about slavery. The Civil War witnessed the destruction of states' rights, the suspension of habeus corpus and freedom of the press, the use of involuntary servitude through the draft, the murder of 50,000 Southern civilians by the Federal army, and military occupation and marial law during Reconstruction. Much more could be said about this.

3. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This is right out of Marx's Communist Manifesto. This private bank destroys wealth via inflation, creates debt, and finances wars of aggression.

4. The U.S. joined the United Nations in 1945. This misguided action continues to erode our sovereignty and involve us in endless wars and entangling alliances.

5. 9/11. This has led to an ever-increasing police state and continuous, undeclared, unconstitutional wars.



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Public Debt

That was very well thought out. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

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The case against the most hazardous oxymoron ever invented :

Well, I've made the case against the most hazardous oxymoron ever invented, IMO :

http://www.dailypaul.com/286406

For liberty.

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Criminal Power

I read:

"The nail was hammered on July 9, 1868:"

There is much in the way of evidence that reports earlier nails being hammered into the coffin of Liberty.

Example:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1403963037?tag=bullnotbull-20

"But Hamilton wanted to go farther than debt assumption. He believed a funded national debt would assist in establishing public credit. By funding national debt, Hamilton envisioned the Congress setting aside a portion of tax revenues to pay each year's interest without an annual appropriation. Redemption of the principal would be left to the government's discretion. At the time Hamilton gave his Report on Public Credit, the national debt was $80 million. Though such a large figure shocked many Republicans who saw debt as a menace to be avoided, Hamilton perceived debt's benefits. "In countries in which the national debt is properly funded, and the object of established confidence," explained Hamilton, "it assumes most of the purposes of money." Federal stock would be issued in exchange for state and national debt certificates, with interest on the stock running about 4.5 percent. To Republicans the debt proposals were heresy. The farmers and planters of the South, who were predominantly Republican, owed enormous sums to British creditors and thus had firsthand knowledge of the misery wrought by debt. Debt, as Hamilton himself noted, must be paid or credit is ruined. High levels of taxation, Republicans prognosticated, would be necessary just to pay the interest on the perpetual debt. Believing that this tax burden would fall on the yeoman farmers and eventually rise to European levels, Republicans opposed Hamilton's debt program.

"To help pay the interest on the debt, Hamilton convinced the Congress to pass an excise on whiskey. In Federalist N. 12, Hamilton noted that because "[t]he genius of the people will ill brook the inquisitive and peremptory spirit of excise law," such taxes would be little used by the national government. In power, the Secretary of the Treasury soon changed his mind and the tax on the production of whiskey rankled Americans living on the frontier. Cash was scarce in the West and the Frontiersmen used whiskey as an item of barter."

Criminal power is accurately measurable as deception, threats of violence, and aggressive violence upon the innocent.

When defenders against crime find ways to defend themselves, with such things as Free Market Government, voluntary defensive associations, exemplified with the 13 Constitutionally Limited Republics Voluntarily Joined into a Democratic Federated Republic Under The Articles of Confederation, complete with a working Trial by Jury system based upon sortition, the criminal elements figure out how to counterfeit such things and claim that their counterfeit versions are the real deal.

Claiming that Debt is Credit is a classic example as was pointed out well in the forum post linked here:

http://www.dailypaul.com/286406/the-american-people-can-star...

Bait and switch is an old routine.

Mass marketing, mind control, false advertisements, conditioned response, behavioral modification, brain washing, manufactured consent, or whatever you want to call the process, was used by Hamilton and the Nationalists/Monarchists/Despots/Money Changers/Central Bankers/Frauds/Extortionists/Slave Traders/Legal Criminals, whatever accurate label you want to call them, to seize control of false government (crime made legal) and the prize they always seek is the Legal Money Monopoly Power which is then used to establish the Business Psycho or Business Cycle, where WAR is financed by this group, financing all sides, and reaping the rewards of that highest amplitude wave length of that same Business Psycho.

Hamilton and the false Federalists sold Nationalism with National Debt and National Interest on the lie that it was Federalism.

The actual founding fathers, not the false ones, not the counterfeit ones who called themselves (falsely) Federalists, where, the actual founding fathers were, labelled, again falsely, Anti-Federalists.

Here are some of the words of warning offered to the people, voluntarily, honestly, and without the full measure of deception employed by the false Federalists:

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/george-m...

"Mr. Chairman—Whether the Constitution be good or bad, the present clause clearly discovers, that it is a National Government, and no longer a confederation. I mean that clause which gives the first hint of the General Government laying direct taxes. The assumption of this power of laying direct taxes, does of itself, entirely change the confederation of the States into one consolidated Government. This power being at discretion, unconfined, and without any kind of controul, must carry every thing before it. The very idea of converting what was formerly confederation, to a consolidated Government, is totally subversive of every principle which has hitherto governed us. This power is calculated to annihilate totally the State Governments. Will the people of this great community submit to be individually taxed by two different and distinct powers? Will they suffer themselves to be doubly harrassed? These two concurrent powers cannot exist long together; the one will destroy the other: The General Government being paramount to, and in every respect more powerful than, the State governments, the latter must give way to the former."

The nail in the coffin of Liberty was hammered into place in the form of a false Constitutional Republic, which is a false corporation, which is founded upon lies, threats, and aggressive violence upon the innocent.

Look here:

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_trans...

What do you think this is:

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

And this:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

No sooner than the false Federalists took over did they monopolize their power and crush their competition.

Washington was in on it, and so was John Adams, with the so called Whiskey Rebellion and the Alien and Sedition Acts.

So obvious was the deception to Madison, who had been duped, that Madison turned his coat back to Blue (from a Red Coat) and joined Jefferson in the failed attempt to regain a Voluntary Government through the POWER of secession, or nullification.

We still have, albeit watered down, Jury Nullification, which is currently under heavy attack in Mass Media, but has shown to be of some use for Liberty in fraudulent Tax cases (IRS is a fraud) and a test may become realized with the Adam Kokesh kidnapping case.

Joe

Timeline

Given how many worthy suggestions have been made
here and the (depressingly many) significant anti-liberty events/actions
that posters have come up with, it occurred to me that presenting them
in a graphic timeline would be a useful way to display them in an accessible manner.

Anyone here ambitious and computer literate enough to attempt something like that?

The Constitution And The Federal Leviathan It Created is #1

The Constitution and the Federal leviathan it created was obviously the biggest mistake to those who truly understand how liberty and freedom work. The Constitution was the greatest centralization of power in our nation's history.

It's also helpful to understand what brought about the Constitutional convention and who financed it. The banksters were already well on their way to establishing total control of the new world, but centralized currency control was the holy grail. So, like bankers are known to do, they set out on a long term plan. First they created currency crises in many of the states. Then, through the media, they told the people centralized gov control was the answer. The people bought it up and next thing you know the banksters are financing a constitutional convention.

This left them one step away from instituting their national bank and ultimately the Federal Reserve system we have today for total control. In a way, we never stopped being a colony of England if you consider the banksters the real gov.

"In reality, the Constitution itself is incapable of achieving what we would like in limiting government power, no matter how well written."

~ Ron Paul, End the Fed

The Banksters

Thanks for the very interesting information. Can it be verified that banksters financed the Constitutional Convention? Do you think that the Banksters are part of a larger, but still small group, of elitists and secret societies?

Edgar Morgan

I think you could go as far

I think you could go as far back as James Madison being a stooge for the English bankers. I guess there's no specific event there, but he was a virus that never really went away.

The true ignorance of the people showed when...

the current clown; bent on destroying America, got voted in twice...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win!"
GANDHI

"The belief is worthless if the fear of social and physical punishment overrides the belief."

The Current Clown

Yes, that's incredible, providing that voting fraud wasn't the real reason.

Edgar Morgan

Electing George H W Bush, (twice)

Electing George W Bush.(doubtful)
Allowing Donald Rumsfeld power
Allowing Dick Cheney power.
Electing Barry.(twice)

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Barry

Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Barry give new meaning to the four horsemen of the Apocalypse!

Edgar Morgan

There is but two mistakes in the original constitution ...

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

"No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due."

This required amendments to correct (12,13, 15, & 19).

These amendments were further flawed and that is why we are where we are today.

THE MANHATTAN PROJECT

On May 12, 1942, President Roosevelt signed an order creating a secret project to develop the atomic bomb. This project was known as the Manhattan Project. Rather than argue the point of whether or not the atomic bombs dropped on Japan prevented a multitude of deaths (I disagree with the premise as justification), let’s examine the results of our actions. What the history books conveniently leave out is that the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were used to justify the cost of the Manhattan Project and as a first shot warning to the Soviet Union; the goal was to create a sense that national power can properly depend on the threat of mass destruction. In other words the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese lives was excusable in view of the strategic advantage such mass destruction broadcast to the world via all its mayhem, death and destruction. We used nukes as both a source of world destruction and as a source of world power. Rather than admit that what we did was criminal, or at the very least self-servingly opportunistic via an egregiously misguided policy, we set the bar for other countries to unleash their own means of destruction so as to enhance their own strategic diplomatic power; we have been playing high stakes ‘chicken’ at the behest of the MIC and war mongers ever since. Albert Einstein wrote to his friend Linus Pauling, “I made one great mistake in my life when I signed the letter to President Roosevelt recommending that atom bombs be made…” The letter is believed to be "arguably the key stimulus for the U.S. adoption of serious investigations into nuclear weapons on the eve of the U.S. entry into World War II". (wikipedia)

Now six underground radioactive nuclear waste tanks at Hanford, Washington (the nation’s most contaminated nuclear site) are leaking radioactive waste (56 million gallons of sludge is encased in 177 storage tanks). This site (one of two) was created in the 1940’s as part of the Manhattan Project. The cleanup cost is estimated to be $100 billion over forty years. To say this is “toxic” speaks more ways than one to the legacy we leave to future generations.

Hiroshima: A Mistake and A Crime - Common Dreams
www.commondreams.org/views02/0806-01.htm -

Nuclear Waste Leaks In Hanford Washington | The Manhattan Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZRiLOcn3yU

Delete

Delete

Edgar Morgan

The Bomb

Thanks for the info and links. The Manhattan Project sure did change everything in many ways.

Edgar Morgan

Another bad one is Wickard v.

Another bad one is Wickard v. Filburn, giving congress power to regulate not only interstate commerce, but intrastate commerce as well. The Marijuana Tax Act could not be passed without this.

Wickard v.

I wasn't aware of that unconstitutional case. That's a big one. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

The grand experiment that failed because it thwarted liberty.

The failures of Congress over 220 years are legion. Their support for liberty and justice can be counted on one hand.

What is the lesson? Never give Congress the authority to borrow and loot the people to pay Congressional bills.

Free includes debt-free!

One very few talk about but catastrophic to State Sovereignty

The passage of the 17th amendment which allowed the people to vote for all representatives instead of Senators being appointed by the State Legislatures. States no longer could recall Senators who went rogue against the states wishes.1913 was probably the worst year in the history of this country and the year freedom died.The Federal Reserve Act, the 16th and 17th amendment were all enacted in 1913. There is very good evidence that the 16th and 17th amendment were never properly ratified but enacted as law anyway.

McCulloch

I would have McCulloch v. Maryland on the list. It did away with the notion that the federal government's powers are enumerated in the constitution. After McCulloch, Congressional powers became whatever Congress deemed appropriate for carrying out the enumerated powers. Pretty radical.

Congress violated the X Amendment by claiming unauthorized power

McCulloch v. Maryland
http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9272959520166823...

Tenth Amendment
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_tra...
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The fist part of the case describes how congressional authority was established by long debate. Voila a new delegated power is born.

Maryland was not prohibited the power, so Maryland was well within its rights. The Supreme Court should overthrow this faulty and illogical decision.

The Supreme Court ruled in favor of the foreign debtors and their agents at the Second Bank of the US and against the Constitution and State's Rights.

So Andrew Jackson paid off the foreign debts of the US in 1835. Problem was solved for 26 years.

However, the Northern States were burdened with foreign debt. Dickens mentions the State bonds poor quality in A Christmas Carol.

So Congress created a National Bank to finance the looting of the South once the Southern States seceded. Congress never fails to fail when it comes to spending other people's money.

This Case was argued by Webster who got an annual stipend of $1000 (50ozAu)from Nicolas Biddle's Bank.

Free includes debt-free!

McCulloch

I had forgotten completely about that. That was back in 1819, I think. That was bad. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

Don't forget Social Security.

It started out harmless and is now a blatant wealth transfer where many get back much less than if they would have saved themselves. The more educated, skilled, and hard working you are the more you lose.

It is an enormous simplification to speak of the American mind. Every American has his own mind.

~Ludwig von Mises

Social Security

How true! It did seem to be harmless at first, like the thieving income tax. Thanks.

Edgar Morgan

You know what this list says to me?...

It tells me liberty is a damn hardy flower. If it was frail, it would have certainly been eradicated by now, and we wouldn't all be here discussing it.

Well said!

Yes, we'll said!

Awesome!

We all needed to hear that!

Edgar Morgan

I'd have to put

Bombing people to death right up there on top.

You left out the final knell in the coffin.

The individual mandate is the most blatant death knell of freedom in this country.

The civil war.
The Federal Reserve Act.
The New Deal.
Civil Rights Act.
War on Drugs.
War on Terror.
Obamacare Individual Mandate.

Game over. Call in the grave diggers.