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Cruz Says He Is Eligible to Run for President

Thanks to ctkelly85 for pointing this video out in a comment. I thought it deserved a thread of its own.

Go to the 1 minute, 25 sec mark.


http://youtu.be/P_Bpu6DuEcQ#t=1m25s

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Heidi Nelson Cruz

Conspiracy

Ted is an establishment hack being positioned to steal Rand's thunder.

A real Possibility

A real possibility considering he and his wife's ties to the Bush administration and Goldman Sachs.
He does seem to be hanging onto Rand's coat tails.

NJ

oooh yes

and I read that one time he was eating fruit loops and waited for them to be soggy. WHY? I don't know, but I suspect he was forming them into little pyramids, before ingesting them. That's right, he was eating dozens if not hundreds if illuminati symbols all in one meal! You are what you eat goes the old maxim. This cannot be a mere coincidence!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

Bad Gums?

Maybe he has bad gums and the cruchy cereal causes him pain?

clearly, obviously

you must be a paid shill! you probably were sent here by monsanto, kellogg's and haliburton! Run knave!

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe."-- Albert Einstein

I couldn't agree more!

Maybe they'll do what they did in the eighties, get Ronald Reagan to run (supposed conservative like Rand), and the get a Neo con NWO hack to be vice. Not that Rand will be like Reagan, but the bankers may try and force Cruz on to the Rand ticket so they can keep control.

I think the closer analogy would be someone like

Lindsay Graham for VP. They'd want someone really on the inside, not just marginally so.

his dad is from cuba i see,

but moved to canada. His mom is a US citizen. He's half-hispanic I gather

What has "half-Hispanic" got

What has "half-Hispanic" got to do with anything?

This from Wikipedia...

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated that:

"The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term "natural born" citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship "by birth" or "at birth", either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth". Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an "alien" required to go through the legal process of "naturalization" to become a U.S. citizen.[1]"

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause

Did Ted Cruz go through a "naturalization" procedure? If so, he's ineligible.

Anyone who has to "apply" for citizenship is naturalized.

Only those born in one of the several States to citizen parents are natural born.

Everyone else has to apply.

The possible automatic nature of the grant of citizenship upon application is irrelevant.

Think of it this way:

If one is natural born, born on US soil to US citizen parents, there are no jurisdictional issues (born on US soil) and there are no legal issues (both parents are US citizens). There is no issue of "entitlement."

There are issues of entitlement when:

"either by being born "in" the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents." This is citizenship under the 14th amendment.

"or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at birth." This is naturalization, citizenship by law.

Your conclusion is correct, Ted Cruz is not eligible to run for president of the United States.

If his mom was a citizen

Then he was a citizen "at birth," i.e. he was born a citizen.

allegory - ˈalɪg(ə)ri/ - noun - 1. a story, poem, or picture which can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.

She had to apply because he was born in Canada. That means he

was "naturalized" which means "as if he was natural born." But obviously this means he is NOT a natural born citizen.

An Act of Congress considers him a citizen "at birth." This means he is naturalized. Natural Born Citizens don't need an Act of Congress to make them so, the nature and facts of their birth take care of that.

Cruz's father

is Cuban, which means Ted Cruz holds dual citizenship.

It also means Ted was not a

It also means Ted was not a "natural born citizen."

"by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents"... See that ? Plural. PARENTS. Ted had one US citizen parent and one Cuban citizen parent and he was born a Canadian citizen.

In Obama's case one parent was a US citizen, however the records show he was born in Hawaii, thus a natural born citizen (I'm not going to debate the authenticity or inauthenticity of his birth certificate, that ground is already plowed).

The question of Obama even if he was born in Hawaii

is: did the Framers (and the People of 1789) consider the father's citizenship as necessary to being "natural born."

If the answer is yes, then Obama isn't eligible.

If no (or either parent, but not both were required) then he is eligble.

The only arguments I've seen are Vattel who speaks of the "father" being required to be a citizen, and some other references of his to "parents" meaning clearly, both are required. But he also I beleive addresses the issue of matriarchal societies where not the father, but the mother's citizenship is critical. Since the U.S. was not in 1789 (and still is not today) a matriarchal society, clearly it is impossible to make the claim that Obama's mother's citizenhip alone is sufficient to allow him to be "natural born."

Since Obama was born in

Since Obama was born in Hawaii, that alone makes him a "natural born Citizen", that his mother was already an American changes nothing. His being born on US soil is currently all that is needed.

That depends on if his situation is because of a law or not.

If it is, then he is not "natural born" he is naturalized.

If parentage was irrelevant in 1789, it is so today, but if not...

He was born and received a

He was born and received a birth certificate in Canada, I presume. After all he lived there until he was seven years old. He was a Canadian citizen and likely came to the US as an immigrant that had to go through naturalization. If this is the case, he's ineligible.

I would believe that most people

that are upset about Obama being president without being eligible would not vote for Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, etc for the same reason.

I am one that will not vote for any of these. We either follow our constitution or we throw it and the rule of law away forever.

Absolutely.

Amen to that.

I would believe that most people

that are upset about Obama being president without being eligible would not vote for Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, etc for the same reason.

I am one that will not vote for any of these. We either follow our constitution or we throw it and the rule of law away forever.

I would believe that most people

that are upset about Obama being president without being eligible would not vote for Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, etc for the same reason.

I am one that will not vote for any of these. We either follow our constitution or we throw it and the rule of law away forever.

I'm with you

I won't be a party to ignoring the constitution for political expediency

Sorry...but as much as I like

Sorry...but as much as I like Ted Cruz...Doesn't his naturalized Canadian citizenship (dual citizenship with USA) make him ineligible? If you want genuine Americanism to prevail shouldn't regard for rules of eligibility be paramount. You already have one counterfeit president. This trend to confuse and nullify eligibility requirements lends itself to continued foreign intervention incrementally by global inclusion in the highest held elected office of USA.

Ted Cruz's wife

is a VP for Goldman Sachs. That's all I need to know.

Ron Swanson

12th Amendment

"But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States."

Ron Paul's record was

spotless.

I think we will have a difficult time finding someone with that type of voting record.

Mt gut says Cruz is a bit off.