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The Truth About Circumcision

Stefan Molyneux breaks down the truth behind circumcision, including details on the procedure, it's history, rate of occurrence, claimed medical justifications, relation to masturbation, negative consequences and it's morality.


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sharkhearted's picture

VERY IMPORTANT video. Thank you for sharing.

The violent procedure of circumcision is nothing more than torture.

Take it from yours truly and born in the high time days of 85% in 1965...I HAVE MEMORY of the process and it still haunts me to this day.

The process of circumcision is part of a hidden agenda to subvert and control...and to reduce pleasure to boot.

Nuff said. I feel cheated. Oh well...what the f*ck...moving on. However....

Would love to face my Rockefeller-sponsored neonatal neoNazi doctors in Hell someday and challenge them to man up and face their victims.

~Chris
Norfolk, VA

Time to INVESTIGATE the investigators of 9/11. PROSECUTE the prosecutors. EXPOSE the cover-up.

As a parent of a young boy...

who was circumsized, let me tell you that when you and your wife have to hold your child down on a table while the pediatrician cuts the attached skin away due to improper healing and you see in your child's eyes the absolute fear and pain that only such an experience can afford, you will change your mind immediately about if or if you should not have this procedure performed to begin with.

My wife and I are to this day still traumatized by the fact that we lost a certain amount of trust that day by him and the fact that he still remembers it is something HE will have to live with as long as he will recall it.

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Your a sharp

guy Steve, @ least on this site. Creating division amongst the folks here. Has absolutely no bearing on anything. Completely a personal subject. As Base1 says "we are on your time, by the way how much are you paid for your time".

And people wonder how our world got this way. We are idiots, we are our own worst enemy.

Plantin the seeds for our Savior. In the End Jesus wins!

The Vampire Rabbi said:

"The pay is lousy but the tips are good"

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

circumcision is barbaric--

and cultural, like polygamy--

both were practiced in ancient times; that doesn't make them right--

Most cultures find a way to justify the bad things they do by claiming that God mandated those bad things--

Jesus Christ fulfilled the law; this barbaric, cruel custom was no longer required--

it's hard to be awake; it's easier to dream--

0_0

Can we get back to a Ron-Paul related article O_o ?

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Hey , Man

gimme some skin

Anyone ever ask why Christian

Anyone ever ask why Christian Americans started circumcision as a common secular practice, and European Christians not so much?

http://www.circumstitions.com/USA.html

i'm absolutely floored by the

i'm absolutely floored by the amount of debate this topic has generated. must be.. really important issue.

ConstitutionHugger's picture

when we had a boy

I did not want to circumcise. I felt boys are just fine how they are. My husband leaned toward circumcision and did lots of research trying to find out which was better. I wish this video was around when we were deciding. Perhaps my son would have been left as is.

I think the honest info available on this subject is elusive and is only found in shady corners of the Internet like the DP. It's kind of like whether to vaccinate, homeschool, etc. There are a lot of decisions to make when you're a parent, and what makes it hard is that you don't get to decide 100%, you have to get your spouse to agree with you. That's why getting convincing information for counter-status quo options is important.

Cyril's picture

Btw...

Btw...

That must be the ladies lurking who are in for a good laugh! (Er.. unless they start depressing...)

"To each their turn..."

Darn it, now. I need to find a way for the wife to not see this.

I'll hear about it for God knows how long!

j/k

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Cyril's picture

LOL.

LOL. I hear ya!

You know... "Men!"

Thats why I wrote "funky" below... (Far below?)

Man, wanna move on with me?

;p

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"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

Circumsized or uncircumcised, all are one in Christ

Most just hold to it because we "should" uphold the customs as an heir of Abraham. While it makes no difference for Christians, sex will change.

I don't know how many know this, but the foreskin releases a lube, something we lose when its cut, and that's fine for sex, but oral is pretty much out. Most girls I know, and yes I'm in America, will prefer it circumcised.

i'm glad to hear that the

i'm glad to hear that the sacred covenant of circumcision increases the likelihood of receiving oral sex from an american girl, in addition to upholding the hallowed rites of Abraham's line. win on both counts.

Circumcision for jews makes sense but not for Christians

Circumcision was popularized in the U.S. by Christian sex prudes. There is no reason for a christian population to do it on religious grounds. It was started here because people got upset over boys constantly touching their pee pees. Of course they couldn't say that was the reason, so they had to come up with medical reasons why they did it.

It winds up going on generation after generation, and becomes "normal".

Being uncircumcised

I cannot say with knowledge what it feels like to be circumcised or the difference between the two. I can say that no one in my family has ever had a health issue due to being uncircumcised (4 boys). Also, I cannot see a reason to circumcise a child without their consent unless a specific health issue existed, otherwise we might as well start cutting off all sorts of other things, it's like preemptive war on the penis.

I want to hear from someone who was circumcised as an adult. First off, Why did you do it? How painful was it? What differences are there in sex before and after? Would you recommend it to others? Would you prefer to go back to how you were?

There is nothing to argue about!

You can argue all day about circumcision being mutilation or not but you are all missing the point.

Sex is better for men AND women when the man is uncircumcised!
http://ph.she.yahoo.com/women-have-better-sex-with-an-uncirc...

There's a ton more articles just like that one.

Maybe some circumcised men are fine with what they've got but the fact is they don't know what they are missing. I read it in a comment below where someone mentioned that the glans is a mucous membrane and removing the foreskin causes it to dry out. This alone would explain why sex is not as pleasing for circumcised men. Their dried out. Even if you recreate your foreskin, does the mucous membrane rehydrate?

The fact remains that if you wash your penis like any other body part you are no more likely to get an infection. The hygienic reasons for circumcision disappeared with the invention of SOAP!

Why are people so adamant about circumcising children when they don't even know what they are taking away from them in future pleasure and sexual satisfaction?

I think more pleasurable sex only is reason enough to not circumcise a child. Not to mention that foreskin exists for a reason and to think we as men can make the decision that it is useless is probably the same reason we have governments that systematically destroy our lives.

Are you sure about that?

This study surveyed women after their partners were circumcised.

http://www.m.webmd.com/men/news/20090721/male-circumcision-i...

Do you know who owns WebMD?

Do a search and you will find out it is owned -follow the money-

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/12/1...

Different studies, different conclusions:

"In a landmark study of US women, 85% who had experienced both circumcised and intact men preferred sex with intact men. Sex with a circumcised man was associated with pain, dryness and difficulty reaching orgasm (O'Hara 1999). In another study, women were twice as likely to reach orgasm with an intact man (Bensley 2003). Even when a woman said she preferred a circumcised partner, she had less dryness and discomfort with intact men (O'Hara 1999)"

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/...

If a woman prefers a circumcised penis (ultimately, it is a personal preference) instead of her partner's natural penis, have her talk to him about getting circumcised, see how that goes lol. However, if a woman does prefer a natural penis over her partner's circumcised penis, that's too bad so sad for her, she'll probably won't even tell you anything as she knows that there's nothing that can be done about it. There's no need to feel insecure about it though, it's probably not even THAT important for them anyway...

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wolfe's picture

Fair enough...

But there is no doubt that it (being uncircumcised) improves sex for men (which generally would lead to more/better sex for the women).

Further, if there is question/debate, no negative effect to do nothing, but irreversible effect by doing something, then wouldn't it stand to reason that it makes more sense for a grown, informed man (and potentially his partner) make that decision, instead of the parents of a newborn child?

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wolfe's picture

While I believe some sensitivity can be restored...

Via some of the suggested mechanisms, there are two things that will never change once it has been done:

1) Thousands of awesome nerve endings have been removed, and no amount of skin stretching will recreate them.

2) Sensitivity will improve but will never be at pre circumcision levels.

Afterthought:
After restoration, you will never look quite like you would have had you not removed it to begin with.

http://www.restoringforeskin.org/why-restore-your-foreskin

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Question:

What should the State do to parents who "mutilate" their children?

Why do you build the strawman of banning circumcision

through the force of the state? It's about persuasion through education not compliance through force by bringing the state into it.

There are many popular myths that were mentioned in this thread by those that think that circumcision has some kind of hygienic advantage or that the baby isn't harmed by the procedure. They're myths, this page cites the studies that debunks their myths:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/...

The cons far far outweigh the pros for circumcision. The sad part is that in America, circumcision isn't even practiced because of religious beliefs but because of old myths about the advantages of it.

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Google:

"Intactivist push to ban circumcision"

Well that's their business.

I don't believe in obliging you to make a choice about your son, I believe in persuasion through logic and education and I'm pretty sure that those that are against circumcision here on this DP discussion don't advocate banning it by having the state intruding into your family life. After all, and independent of what he personally believes about this subject, what would Ron Paul say?

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

wolfe's picture

Why does the state need to be involved?

Insurance companies and doctors both, as a general rule refuse female circumcision.

This isn't about creating laws. This about education.

When I did research on it, and then spoke to my folks, I found out what the deciding factor was.... Not religion, not health, but that the doctor pushed it. A lot more money for him, for two seconds of work.

It is also the reason why we have FAR TOO MANY hysterectomies. Insurance will cover a full hysterectomy without question, while requires a shitload of proof before paying for a tumor removal (and for the record, feminine "tumors" are more often than not benign so many are sterilized because it's cheaper, and not because it was required).

It's about what the doctors know they will get paid for. That simple.

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Insurance doesn't generally cover circumcision.

It's something that most mothers pay for out of pocket, and yet most mothers still choose to do so. When you accuse parents of "mutilating" their children, aren't you providing justification for government intervention, or do you think parents should have the right to mutilate their children?

wolfe's picture

I do not ever provide justification for government involvement.

Period. I suppose you aren't familiar with my stance on that, or Stephan's, or many of the posters in this thread.

Minarchists who believe that there should be some form of government to protect "liberty", who also are pro-life should advocate that it be treated criminally under their legal system as would cutting off any other body part of a child, for whatever the reason.

I do not. The NAP has some grey when it comes to children and delegated self defense, so ultimately, I think, as does Stephan and many posters here that the best course of action is education and understanding.

As far as mother's paying out of pocket, that's not 100% true, and is not relevant. The doctor get's an easy paycheck for 3 seconds of work, that is the part that is relevant. The explanation I was giving was that doctors will do what they know they can get paid for.

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circumcision

It is unfortunate that males with circumcision tend to get defensive when confronted with info about what happened to them becuase the sooner they learn about foreskin restoration the sooner they can begin to improve their situation. There are also the scum bag trolls that fuck with others emotions on this issue.

The most helpful info for males with circumcision imo is to use tape to hold the skin forward to restore natural comfort.