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The Truth About Circumcision

Stefan Molyneux breaks down the truth behind circumcision, including details on the procedure, it's history, rate of occurrence, claimed medical justifications, relation to masturbation, negative consequences and it's morality.


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Nails grow back,

foreskin doesn't and there's actual hygienic advantages to cut your babie's nails as opposed to the myths mentioned here about circumcision being more hygienic. Apples and oranges... Putting a tattoo on your child is just as selfish as circumcising him though.

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Medical benefits to circumcision are not myths, they are obvious

.

Just look it up.

Circumcision prevents infections by helping with hygiene. Modern civilization makes this less important, but we here at DP know civilization may collapse one day, even soon.

I say Prevention is worth a pound of Cure!!!

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You look it up

those are old myths and the few studies that have supported those myths have been debunked by more recent studies:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201109/...

I won't deprive my child of achieving his absolute full sexual pleasure because of some crazy old myths. If there was some evolutionary advantage to not having a foreskin, human males wouldn't have it. There's nothing I can do about my situation but I'm not that selfish as to perpetuate the mistake with my son; when he's older he can cut his own dick if he wants, if and when he starts believing those myths...

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, an

Yours is not a relevant comparison!

First, if my foreskin kept growing like my fingernails, I would need a wheelbarrow, by now, to carry it around. Secondly, nails, like hair, have no pain sensors in their excess, so it is painless. (unless you don't know how to cut nails! LOL!) Thus, the comparison is not relevant.

I, do, agree that having any animosity towards one's parents, over it is strange, to put it nicely! They, supposedly, use anesthesia on the newborns, for this, nowadays. There is still a screaming baby, because they hate the darned papoose, with a passion!

I know! Been there. Done that! But, when properly anesthetized, sewing up a laceration in a toddler can be done with little crying and minimal trauma! I had ER nurses complain that I used too much, when the kids would not cry!? Nutty world of medicine, it was!

But, part of your letter seems to make me feel you are not very compassionate. Your statements seem hurtful. There is no need for that! I do not approve of circumcision, without a medical indication. By not equating it with female mutilation, it is also hypocritical!

We can agree, to disagree, nicely!

If your foreskin did not grow as you age

You would have issues. WE ALL GROW. PAIN is part of LIFE.

Some of my most painful experiences came from "friendlies", they seemed like such nice people. Serial killers are known to be some of the most charming people in the world. So please excuse me if "nice" does not impress me as anything more than a sales pitch or manipulative ploy. Nice people damaged me. I believed them. I trusted them. I confused "nice" with genuine. I confused friendly with friend. I am a friend, not a friendly, and if you do not need a friend, I can appreciate that, as I hope you can understand, I don't need a "friendly"

Truth does not come in a nice package. When it suits us it may appear "nice", and when it does not, it may appear "mean". Truth is is neither nice or mean, it just is what it is, and the person reflects off it, revealing where they stand on truth.

When it comes to compassion, that's another issue that should not be confused with nice. Putting down an animal that has become lame takes more compassion than most can fathom in the world of stuffed puppies and packaged meat for sale. By comparison to having to take down a beloved loyal dog to an infant losing some foreskin, there is NO comparison. You may find this comparison irrelevant as well.

After all, in your "nice" way, you believe that circumcison is mutalation, and I do not.

Female circumcison of the labia is common, and comparible. Femail circumcision of the clitorus is not comparible to male circumcision, as I'm sure there are the unfortunant cases of male circumcision that creates a real victim with penial erectial disfunction and therefore steril. I'm sure no amount of money is worth that, just by seeing the billions of Viagra and penial enhansement advertizing, but we are not discussing medical malpractice.

I agree to disagree, honestly.

amazing Odysseys of logic!

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Jesus was circumcised.

Jesus was circumcised.

Jesus was circumcised by choice...

... if your argument is to be followed.

LOL. Really?

If you mean the fact he was G-d in human form then he "chose" to be circumcised.

But he "chose" to have it done on his 8th day as Baby Jesus.

Unbelievable.

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Absolutely,

He was a Jew and it was never done as an infant. I suppose they lost a few children from infection, back than, too!

I imagine I could whack mine off with a meat cleaver, too! But, I am not inclined to do so! LOL!

WTF are you talking about you Ignoramous?

Jews are circumcised on the 8th day, so was Jesus.

You guys have no clue what your talking aboutand are proving yourselves to be LIARS who post untruths!!!

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Ignorant, yes.

I am not, knowingly, a Jew. Nobody's perfect! But deserving of such chastisement? No!! Too much hate in it. Otherwise, thanks for the info!

Never done on infants?

Jesus was 8 days old when circumcised.

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According to that text...

He was also crucified and left to die with a crown of thorns... Should we all experience that as well?

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Nope!

He did it so I would not have to suffer. He sacrificed Himself for me!

If we were God

YES. Alas we are not God and it's blastomy for you to even equate that SINNERS would be aliked to GOD.

Blasphemy?

Yet Jesus was a human being, in the flesh! He was, very much, likened to us, and referred to the disciples as his "brothers"! Even Judas Iscariot!

GOD IN THE FLESH

and he SUFFERED because to be human is to SUFFER, and to think not, than you do not know what it is to actually be human.

great point!

great point!

If you walk blindly through life, you will run into a lot of walls.

Well, One Good Thing

One good thing about this thread is I am sure people are learning how to spell Circumcision! haha

Of Course you can always Bobbitt

Haha, how about this for total circumcision...Remember back in 1994 when Lorena Bobbitt cut off her husband John Bobbitt's penis with a knife for supposedly raping her when he came home late and drunk. lol Now that is extreme and painful! He was aquitted of spousal rape.
lol After assaulting her husband, Lorena left the apartment with the severed penis, drove a short while, then rolled down the car window and threw the penis into a field. Realizing the severity of the incident, she stopped and called 911. After an exhaustive search, the penis was located, packed in ice, and taken to the hospital where John Bobbitt was being treated.

The penis was reattached by Doctors during a nine-and-a-half-hour operation.

Wow

Not sure about the pros and cons of circumcision vs no circumcision but I will say this. Had I known how excruciating this procedure appears to be I would never have had my sons circumcised.

I could not watch the rest of this because I felt really nauseous hearing that baby scream.

I can barely contain my rage when I think about what fucking liars white coats are.

I was told there was very little feeling in the newborns penis and they used local anesthetic to numb what little discomfort they feel.

I am just speechless right now

The procedure in this vid was done by doctors, not a Mohel

If you don't know what a Mohel is, you shouldn't be having this conversation.

BTW, babies cry over freakin everything! Grow a pair (no pun intended).

My mother (Catholic) had similar issues with circumcision, but it is not about the 5 min. the baby cries, it is about the rest of the male's life!

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Could be old video.

So far as decreased feeling, I have heard that about the elderly, too. It is one of the most egregious practices in gerontology. Pain is under-treated because of medical ignorance, these lies, DEA (drug war) terrorism, and apathy.

This procedure was done very barbarically, with overuse of the hemostats, as well. Clamping the foreskin down, added to the pain. There is a new anesthesia that can be left on the skin (TAC?)about fifteen minutes and it will be numb. But, the infant is going to scream, just from the restraint, alone! I never thought they(circs) were indicated, except in a few cases. I did a five year old once, under general anesthesia!

If this infant was anesthetized, would you think differently of it? Maybe God was yelling in his ear, "LOOK WHAT THEY ARE DOING!" LOL!!

good for you peggy

sadly that video was tame from others i've seen before they recently started using numbing shots (ouch) and topical anesthetics.

when researching this topic years ago i remember seeing a statistic that doctors (obstetricians) who preform circumcision surgery can make up to $30,000 extra a year. when they stopped paying doctors extra in the uk circumcision procedures fell dramatically. as the video showed we saw the same thing happen here. follow the money.

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Unneeded procedures

It is one of the problems that private care medicine has in influencing the number of procedures are done to pay for that new Porsche and not, always, because it was going to, substantially, benefit the patients, sadly. Happy I don't swim with those sharks any more. My compassionate care and lack of greed was seen as not helpful, for the bottom line of the hospital facility, that I worked in. I, once, was admonished for sending a gallbladder patient home the day after her procedure. The patient was private pay. With good pain management, the patient was able to eat regular food, by lunch, so she was sent home. She was not readmitted! It was typical to keep those patients five days, back before they were doing lap cholecystectomies! The administrator did not like it because it cost him money. If it had been a Medicare patient, he would have had a different attitude, because the DRG would have paid the same fee, no matter how long the patient stayed. He would have made a big profit! It is still common to keep private pay patients longer and charge them much more than insurance companies pay to the hospitals. Obamacare will turn into a big "Obamination", the way I see it!

I've witnessed three circumcisions...

...and I've seen babies cry more at having a boob taken from their mouth.

Likely what you are observing is shock

Likely what you are observing is the infant in a state of shock. Infants present symptoms differently than adults.

It is a fact that men who are

It is a fact that men who are uncircumcised achieve climax easier than men who have been circumcised.

In other words, it's easier to achieve an orgasm for men if they haven't had their penises altered shortly after birth.

It's blunt, but it's true. The extra skin that envelopes the tip of the penis of uncircumcised men helps stimulate ejaculation...sorry to sound like a high school health class, but it is factually correct.

If a race of people circumcised all of their baby boys, and another race of people did not circumcise any of their baby boys, which race would procreate more?

If a tyrannical dictator wanted to significantly reduce his or her enemies from producing children, the first thing they would do is get rid of the foreskin.

"Circumcised." 2nd syllable...

"Uncircumcised." 3rd syllable...

Never be afraid to ask simple questions.

Half the fun of sex is not only reaching orgasm it's...

the pleasure enjoyed building to that point. Ever heard of "edging"?

If circumcision promotes that, then why is that a bad thing?