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Can You Behave Randomly?

"The generation of random numbers is too important to be left to chance."
-Robert R. Coveyou, Oak Ridge National Laboratory

The goal of the exercise is to deepen your understanding of what randomness is by having you try to behave randomly. Whether humans can behave randomly is important to psychology (as well as to the gaming industry!). Most psychological theories would argue that it would be extremely difficult for people to behave randomly (more about this later).

http://faculty.rhodes.edu/wetzel/random/intro.html

Human randomness video:

http://youtu.be/H2lJLXS3AYM

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jrd3820's picture

Cool Video Chris

Where would the DP be without you?

Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That'll teach you to keep your mouth shut. Hemingway

If there is one thing I am, its consistant.

I will make a choice and then come back years later and having all the information being the same, make exactly the same choice.
There isnt a point to trying to prove you can be random. The point is to realize why you make the choices you do and to be able to change those choices based on all the data. Are people who go through life, not understanding why they make the choices they do, any better than organic robots?

To climb the mountain, you must believe you can.

Baffle them with science

Rock-Paper-Scissors
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/05/no_author/the-science-beh...

Two players playing randomly would draw but...

Free includes debt-free!

What!?

What!?

Imagine making all of life's decisions randomly

The Dice Man by Luke Rhinehart
http://www.amazon.com/Dice-Man-Luke-Rhinehart/dp/0688014577/...

Love the quote! lol

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

I love your signature from John Muir...

They are much like what Nagarjuna said:

"Things derive their being and nature from mutual dependence and are nothing in themselves."

It was probably the pandas.

Thanks. It's no mere platitude.

While surely it's a universal principle - and yes, it's much like your quote there, I guess I first came to see it in practice via Waldorf education. This is an abbrevi-ated explanation, but... dubbed "education to the hand, the heart, and the head," it views education/ child development holistically, i.e., in terms of physical, emotional, and intellectual development - all interconnected. [It also acknowledges that developmental needs change over time, so there is a gradual shift in priority from emphasis on physical dev. through kindergarten years to emphasis on intellectual dev. (including abstract & analytical thinking) as of high school years.]

At the same time, the curriculum itself is viewed holistically. Historically, the academic disciplines didn't develop in a void! - history, religion, literature, mathematics, the sciences... Neither are they taught as isolated subjects. As relevant, topics from "other subjects" are drawn into the main lesson. Furthermore, in addition to integrating the academics, so are the arts integrated within the academics.

And... unlike the public school system, Waldorf education is successful - has been with the same basic elementary school curriculum today as in the twenties, the same here in America as W. schools around the world. It's but one example of the benefit of truly understanding the interconnectedness of all things and teaching in line with it. Biodynamics is another example, in that case farming & gardening with an understanding of that same principle. (Biodynamics is a type of organic gardening.) Also permaculture. FYI, the first verse of my post "To Bee Or Not To Bee," reflects the principle. The honeybee crisis is an example of what can happen when it is *not* understood. Actually, Waldorf education wasn't the first time I came across it. It was Herman Hesse's "Magister Ludi, or The Glass Bead Game," as I believe we discussed ages ago on that thread where you gave me the link to the bitcoin music.

Hey, Chris, I hope this is a long enough reply that I don't shatter your image of me. :)

When we try to pick out anything by itself, we find it hitched to everything else in the Universe.
~ John Muir

Define the meaning of the word first

What is random according to your choice to define the meaning?

Joe

Michael Nystrom's picture

I don't know about any of this, but according to Pink Floyd

You can

wear out your welcome
with random precision


http://youtu.be/0SqFPNTBnv8

Shine on, you crazy diamond!

The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. - Alan Watts

Situation upon depends it

Too known been I've. Or not....

Actually I was saving all my randomness for some innocuous random date near or far away from now. Right now I'm purposefully being as predictable as springtime and harvest, to lull the watchers to sleep.

Damn, I've given it away, curses foiled again.......

And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for the DAilyPaul and their pesky author Caducky !

Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

search for Rand... get

this.

It was probably the pandas.

godshitsfuckingdamnit

I just wrote this long treatise on randomness, unpredictability, and free will, and, as I was furiously typing away, about to wrap it up, my little pinkie hit some key on my keyboard which reloaded the page and erased it all.

If that isn't irony, I don't know what is.

“Although it was the middle of winter, I finally realized that, within me, summer was inextinguishable.” — Albert Camus

Irony:

The exact moment the hot steaming iron falls off the board onto your knee.

; )

Stēkō

Drew, by the very grace of GOD through the blood of Christ Jesus.
"there shall come after us men whom shall garner great wealth using our system, and having done so shall seek to slam the door of prosperity behind them." George Washington

barracuda

bump.

It was probably the pandas.

Self-bumpery ...

... is a great big no-no.

Ĵīɣȩ Ɖåđşŏń

"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

deacon's picture

Is your comment spoke out of

been there,done that?
Or are you policing the DP for criminals?
D

If we deny truth before your very eyes,then the rest of what we have to say,is of little consequence

No Random.

There isn't 1 speck of random anywhere in the universe. Are our thumbs random? NO. They're the product of specific growth. Randomness doesn't exist - and as for the not-yet-understood subatomic particles and every other experience physical or otherwise....

They all operate under the influence of the Law of Attraction which states that similar vibrations attract each other and dissimilar ones repel each other.

You never RANDOMLY turn down a street.
It's not RANDOM when something you talk about pops up on TV
It's not RANDOM when you bump into ANYONE.

The bird doesn't find its food RANDOMLY.
The fawn doesn't know how to walk after birth RANDOMLY.
It's not RANDOM for a fish to swim upstream.

Animals are born following their instincts. Humans are born following their impulses. We just don't understand how that process works. And I'm explaining here: behavior follows thought, and thought is magnetically CHARGED. The charge determines the behavior, every single time. No randomness. It fits every time.

Definition

What do you think "random" means? You say, "We just don't understand how that process works." That is precisely why it is called random. We do not know every detail of how it works, or for some other reason we cannot predict the outcome with moral certainty, but we can assign probabilities. That is what a random process is.

Ĵīɣȩ Ɖåđşŏń

"Fully half the quotations found on the internet are either mis-attributed, or outright fabrications." - Abraham Lincoln

A very interesting concept indeed

One which we don't have a real answer for. Are dice rolls random? Definitely not, they are completely based on physics and 100% predictable if you know all the involved variables. The only object we know of that seems to actually behave in a truly random way is subatomic particles. To the best experiments in quantum physics, some particles as best we can tell will pick their state immediately upon being observed. Prior to being observed, they seem to exist in multiple places at once. This movement, and the final selection they take when observed, could potentially be truly random. But there may just be variables we don't know about, or don't know how to factor in (such as "free will", whatever that means). I am really looking forward to the future of physics, only the past few generations have gotten to witness such an incredible shift in our understanding of how the world works.

i find

10d nails are fine in those circumstances

"The two weakest arguments for any issue on the House floor are moral and constitutional"
Ron Paul

One of my favorite games

The Random Word Game

Learned it from some kids on the bus...when the junior high band would travel. The guy who started it was a "gifted" kid...and he really was a clever kid.

With a group of people 2-8+ just go clockwise calling out a random word in a stream of consciousness manner. There are no rules of first letter or associations. Try to remember other people's words. When you repeat a word you are out.

Young kids love this game - the real pleasure of the game is the jarring shift of associations one gets. "Sandwich" followed by "toggle."
You'll be amazed at how hard it is to think of "random" words. Anyone who starts just saying numbers you promptly slap...that's not the point.

Check out http://iroots.org/
"If you’re into political activism, at least for Ron Paul if not for anyone else, I strongly recommend spending some time with iroots.org." - Tom Woods

Cyril's picture

Here's a random joke. Lololol, too funny :

Here's a random joke. Lololol, too funny :


http://youtu.be/52JVljZW_cw

"Cyril" pronounced "see real". I code stuff.

http://Laissez-Faire.Me/Liberty

"To study and not think is a waste. To think and not study is dangerous." -- Confucius

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HA! Take that!

:) Very cool Chris! Thanks for the... random... post.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

Ah, but you would not have

Ah, but you would not have written the gibberish unless a thread about random behavior prompted you to do so...

We all share this eternally evolving present moment- The past and future only exist as inconsequential mental fabrications.

...?

...son of a...

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

woah!

I can't believe I didn't notice that I typed random letters in response to two of your posts one right after the other, Chris!

That was seriously "weird" man. The universe has a pretty cool sense of humour.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin

I was actually going to post this link as a reply to your non-

random sequence, but I decided to start a new thread instead.

Your sequence was so obviously un-random I just had to say something:)

p.s. here's some fun:
Microsoft Patents Ones, Zeroes

http://www.theonion.com/articles/microsoft-patents-ones-zero...

...As a result of the Microsoft patent, many other companies have begun radically revising their product lines: Database manufacturer Oracle has embarked on a crash program to develop "an abacus for the next millennium." Novell, whose communications and networking systems are also subject to Microsoft licensing fees, is working with top animal trainers on a chimpanzee-based message-transmission system. Hewlett-Packard is developing a revolutionary new steam-powered printer.....

It was probably the pandas.

Interesting.

How do 535 Congressmen guessing what the law is, always guess wrong.

Wrong for over 220 years and counting. It's the part of the Great Constitutional experiment that failed.

Free includes debt-free!

No randomness!

they aren't guessing, simply reacting to the impulses initiated by lobbyists.

They're just a bunch of "0"s

that convinced themselves that they don't need the cooperation of the "1"s. They broke the code.

"We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience"—Pierre Teilhard de Chardin