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Urine testing

The only urine test they'll get from me is for a taste test.

Free or drug free? America can't be both!

You have this wrong....this

You have this wrong....this isnt about marijuana...this is about OSHA. Employers are getting stricter about complying with OSHA regulations(maybe a former employer called OSHA and OSHA showed up and fined them for some safety violation) OSHA requires pre-employment, for cause and random drug screenings. If this guy had a blood alcohol content above the legal limit he would have been fired for that just as quickly after they pulled him in for screening post accident. This about the employer covering their a$$ as far as OSHA is concerned. It just so happens the legal limit for marijuana is zero while on the job whereas alcohol is slightly higher...but still close to zero. Every job I go on I am drug tested pre employment and random...I have never failed one since I do no drugs. I support legalization of all of them because prohibiting them is an ineffective use of taxpayer money that enables the criminal element. I dont think marijuana is good for you...but neither is alcohol. I dont do either...but the culprit here is NOT drug policy...its OSHA regulations. You are focusing on a symptom of the greater problem. I believe in a lot of cases OSHA regulations save lives...but not in this one.

Yep, it's dumb. But guess

Yep, it's dumb. But guess what, people are ignorant, and bosses are people.

If you value your job more than you value smoking up, then don't smoke up. Period.

I was born on this

planet. I can do what ever I want.

And so can everyone else

It's hypocritical to complain about someone firing another person over weed, only to turn around and say "I can do whatever I want".

You're not the only one.

If you agree to work for someone, and part of that agreement is that you won't do xyz, and you do xyz anyway, then expect to be fired over it.

You can "do what you want", but you'll also have to face the consequences that come with doing so. Knife cuts both ways, etc.

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I don't think

you understood what I was trying to say. I was trying to explain that 90 percent of the companies drug test you only because they are brainwashed or because the drug its self is illegal. I was trying to explain that if the man was an alcoholic he would still have his job today. And sure.. I'll say no to a drug test. I bet I'll never get hired. But I guess I failed at that attempt.

I understood just fine

None of that changes the fact that it's hypocritical to believe that you can do what you want, but others can't because you don't agree with it.

To me, the substance itself has no bearing on the issue-- the issue being that an agreement was broken. Sure, I think drug testing for marijuana is silly and unreliable since it stays in the system for weeks after its effects have worn off, but If the person I'm working for doesn't think it's silly, then I generally have three choices.

1) work for them and follow the silly rule
2) don't work for them and continue doing what I want
3) work for them *and* do what I want, at the risk of the employer finding out and responding accordingly.

No matter what choice I make, I'm the one who makes it, so I can't blame anyone else or say that it isn't fair without being a hypocrite. It isn't "fair" to break agreements and contracts either, and choice 3 does exactly that.

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An employer...

has every right to fire somebody for that... though it's pretty stupid. Weed shows up in the system even though you're not impaired. But a private company should get to make the rules that they expect the employees to adhere to.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

The employer

doesn't make the rules. Insurance companies and lawsuits put fear in a business into having to do drug testing in order to save the company from more damage.

So in a way, the System is the problem.

The insurance part of the system

works okay. You get the best rates for doing things more safely. I've seen the best safety advice come from private insurance guys who are looking to eliminate risks at a business they cover before they end up having to pay out. OSHA shows up and just makes a mockery of safety.

Defend Liberty!

Not sure I agree...

I'm a business owner. I WANT and deserve the right to drug test my workers, don't I?? Considering that if they are drunk or high and cause an accident, then I could lose everything that I've worked so hard to build up for all these years?

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

Sure so

if I own a business and I find out one of my employees are drinking soda when they get home. YOUR FIRED!!

If you got a problem the way somebody works for you. Man up! Don't go running to the drug test lab, whining like a little baby.

You crack me up

Buddy. I bet some one who works for you right now is on pills.
I bet some one who works for you right now gets drunk all the time but you have no idea.

I wonder why you don't know.

I guess its because marijuana is the only drug that stays in your system for so long.

So the only way you are going to find out if your employees are on drugs is if you catch them right on the spot.

Good luck with that moron.

I bet you are some a$$hole who fires people who literally smoked a joint 3 weeks ago, but was sober as ever the day you fired him.

Do you take any prescribed medications?

I should fire you a$$hole.

I had enough of people like you.

And actually you don't deserve the right to drug test me or anybody else. Unless somebody is stupid enough to sign your dumb ass contract. If you want to fire somebody, man the f up and fire him or her. Don't go looking for excuses, you coward.

You vote me down

Because the truth hurts. You are a coward.

I hope your business rots too.


You're pretty clueless.

1) I didn't vote you down. You're being a dick, somebody else voted you down.

2) Any RP supporter should support that business owners should be able to run their business as they see fit.

3) Yes, my employees do all those things, so do I, Have smoked weed for over 35 years now. I've never tested anybody, but it is my right to do so and if I thought they were putting anybody else at risk I'd test them and fire them immediately.

I completely agree that small amounts of pot in the system should be ignored, and it's stupid for companies to fire people with traces of pot. But I support their right to be stupid and run their business as they want. I support your right to be as stupid as you are with that last post... but I sure wouldn't hire you.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

I bet

that you would hire me.

I haven't found one business that doesn't drug test and pays you decently.

And once again you say this "but it is my right to do so and if I thought they were putting anybody else at risk I'd test them and fire them immediately."

Oh so instead of just firing them for the original problem, you go running around stomping on peoples liberty at the drug lab. What a great person you are. All you corporations are nothing but punks with humungous ego trips.

And if that is how most of you libertarians think than I have no idea why I am on this site. That is not freedom. What I do at home, should be none of your damn business.

I'm sorry I'm being such a dick but I just had enough of Marijuana being so bad to people. I can't stand the ignorance.

Wrong again...

No, I wouldn't hire you, you're obviously a douche. You're right, I only pay my guys $1500/day, not decent in your book I guess... but I expect them to be clean on the job.

Who says weed is "bad to people"... I assume you meant 'bad for people'? I don't think so, I like it, just don't be high on the job if you work for me.

'Cause there's a monster on the loose

what ever

do what you want.

You're either a good employee or not

Cannabis has nothing to do with it. The sad truth is some employers are dumb enough to fire good employees.

Government is supposed to protect our freedom, our property, our privacy, not invade it. Ron Paul 2007

So true.

I worked for my grandpa for years building houses. The best brick layer we ever had was a meth addict. He was so good that my grandpa went to and convinced the local judge to let him out on work release after the guy when to jail. He didn't perform nearly as well off the drugs. Some people just work better when they are high.

Their is

a difference between responsible drug users and Not responsible drug users.

And some times that responsible drug user gets screwed.

Also the only reason this stuff happens is because of lawsuits and insurance companies. If they weren't involved, I bet most companies wouldn't bother drug testing. So once again the SYSTEM FAILS

Oxycontin, Rush's drug de jour.

I fired a guy last week for weed

Nice guy. 50 years old. Smart. Experienced. He was stoned out of his mind, and I'd have just sent him home for the afternoon plus a warning, except he doubled down and lied repeatedly about it.

Back in the day, I smoked bushels of weed and did every other drug in a quest for life experiences.

If I got caught by the boss for being high, I'd expect to be fired.

Weed slows your thinking and adversely affects short term memory. The guy was useless while stoned.

The great majority of human workers totally suck. If it isn't dope or booze, it is stealing, or lying or cheating, or harassing. I work every day trying to replace the stealing, sex harassing, lying, chronically late sick worker, with a machine or system or outside purchase.

There is a lot of work available. It's just that employers like me just can't stand to hire another bottom dweller.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

Did you fire him for the weed or the lie?

Personally I would never fire someone for coming to work stoned unless it is hurting their performance and they refuse to cut back when asked. I won't hesitate to fire someone for lying.

Big difference between being stoned on the job,

and stoned 3 Saturdays ago on your own time.

What a load...

So you smoked bushels of weed and every other drug and still worked.

You expected to get fired if caught, but never did?

Now you're hypocritically claiming the other guy couldn't handle being 'stoned out of his mind' on pot, but you could.

What a load.

Some of the hardest workers I have had work for me were stoners. The straight edge kids were useless. They were afraid of all the equipment and thought they deserved better pay, treatment, you name it. They would quit within a week or two, every time. The stoners didn't care, they'd work all day, do everything I asked, and would do it pretty well when taught, so long as I didn't care what they did on their own time.

If it weren't for stoners this country would fall apart. The majority of blue collar workers get high somehow, mostly because they are stuck as blue collar workers.

Just look at Washington DC. Most of them don't smoke weed and they have destroyed this country. Garry Johnson, Ron Paul... the legalize weed advocates are the best political minds out there.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?

I didn't say that. You have a straw man pushing your argument

Since you are interested. I had about 50 jobs but was never fired. I sold seeds door to door when I was 8, had paper routes when I was 10 and mowed lawns the whole time. My Dad instilled ethics in me. Getting high was on my own time. From age 18 to 25 I worked riverboats 30 days on and 30 days off. No hypocrisy here. Try again.

I have supervised hundreds of people over the last 30 years and your statement that stoners hold the country together is asinine and that they work harder makes me laugh.

You speak of potheads like being a slow Zombie is a good thing. I guess some businesses can get by with a guy that takes two days to install a water heater.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ


my friend. He fires a 50 year old man who probably sucked at the job. Marijuana had nothing to do with it, but he blames the plant.


I'm glad not knowing the subject matter hasn't slowed down any of the spew.

"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty" TJ

I'll bet he used the weed as an excuse...

But I don't know.

A guy that has been there 30 years, to fire him, whether it is over a weed test, a slight bump into another car, or both, is kind of poor business ethics, imho.

Maybe this guy was just an overall lousy worker, was setting bad examples, and THEN bumps into yet another car and test positive for weed while looking way too stoned to be respectful of the business and customers... I don't know. In that case, I would understand.

The business owner (as one myself) certainly has the right to run his business as he so chooses. That means he can fire people when they go against his policies. But that doesn't always make it right.

As with freedom of all kind, it comes with ethical / moral responsibility.

Are you a POT or a PET - Person Embracing Tyranny?