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Pastor Authors Book Encouraging Government Leaders to ‘Obey God,’ Resist Tyranny

MILWAUKEE – A pastor from Wisconsin has authored a book advising state and municipal government leaders that when they are forced to make a choice between obeying God or the federal government, they must always obey God rather than men.

Matt Trewhella pastors Mercy Seat Christian Church in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and has long been a proponent of the lesser magistrate doctrine, which teaches that “when a higher authority makes an unjust law, the lower authority must resist it.” He says that he first became interested in the concept while considering the plight of the millions of unborn children that are aborted in the nation with the permission of state and local governments.

Trewhella believes that states civil government leaders should have resisted the ruling in Roe v. Wade and fought to protect innocent life within their borders.

“They should have defied the federal government and said, ‘We don’t care what the Supreme Court has ruled; this is an immoral, unjust law, and there will be no preborn babies slaughtered in our state,’” he said. “Unfortunately, of course that didn’t happen because people are ignorant of this doctrine.”

In Trewhella’s book, The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrates, the non-denominational pastor outlines that the belief that leaders must obey God rather than man is not only sound in Scripture and is reflected throughout history, but it is also practical for the crossroads that Americans face today. He noted that some civil magistrates are already acting upon the doctrine whether they realize it or not.

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As in MLK's day

You have to break the law to change the law because they (government power freaks) are not going to give you anything unless you take it.

The book sounds interesting

and very much in accord with localism. I am going to link to it on Amazon so that it will show up in the side bar, that way if any of us buy one through here the Daily Paul gets a cut.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Doctrine-Lesser-Magistrates-Repudi...

Localism is for people who can still sleep at night even though somebody they don't know in a city they have never been is doing things differently. ("Localism, A Philosophy of Government" on Amazon for Kindle or Barnes and Noble ebook websites)

That is what the Muslims say too.

Obey Sharia law.

It is not a good result when a religion, one of the hundreds that each worship their own version of a god, demands that their version of their god's laws are the laws of governments too, irrespective of the religious views of the rest of the population.

The moral superiority claimed by this pastor is offensive to logic.

"Bend over and grab your ankles" should be etched in stone at the entrance to every government building and every government office.

You know nothing about Muslims!

That isn't what they say! You need to stop watching Sean Hannity! And the book is about resisting tyranny, not following "Gods law" over government laws. Even Thomas Jefferson said "resistance to tyranny is obedience to god".

"Nature and Nature's God"

What did the founding fathers say and do when they wrote the Declaration of Independence? Was it not similar?

Did that defy logic?

What?

Is this a joke?

There are too many debts now...it will be very difficult now unless the debt is abolished. When interest rates rise it will be even more difficult.

donvino

"Those who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants.

- William Penn

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

The most effective way for Christians to resist tyranny.

Romans 13:1-7 is the portion of scripture that is often quoted to command obedience to civil authorities. If we believe that these words are the thoughts of the Spirit and that we should obey these scriptures faithfully then we must conclude that the United States as an organised government was founded in rebellion to the established authority and this rebellion was further aggravated by the fact that it was triggered by a revolt against a tax.

The Declaration of Independence is actually a justification for this rebellion and is glorified as one of the founding documents of the nation so there can be no mistaking the intention of those who rebelled. It is my understanding that only about one third of the populations of the colonies were involved in the insurrection and many of the rest left entirely to settle in Canada. It would be interesting to know whether those who left, or were opposed to the rebellion but remained, were among the more devout believers who believed that they should obey the commandment.

This places American Christians in something of a quandary since they are commanded to obey the civil authorities as being established by God and yet they know that these same authorities are the result of an original rebellion. This brings up a very important principle that sheds some light on this conundrum. This is that God is sovereign and although men may disobey His revealed will He nonetheless uses their actions to achieve His purposes. He makes the wrath of men to praise Him. (Psalm 76:10)

There are two words in the Greek translated "will" in relation to the will of God. One is "thelema" and the other is "boulema". This is well illustrated in Luke 22:42 "Father, if You are willing (boulema), remove this cup from Me; yet not My will (thelema), but Yours be done."

In this verse the boulema of the Father's fixed purpose is contrasted with the thelema or will of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of Man. This thelema is also used in Matthew 18:14 "So it is not the will (thelema) of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones perish."

The thelema of the Father is His perfect will. The boulema of the Father is His perfect plan and purpose.

In the case of the work of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Father's thelema and boulema are perfectly in tune, they are identical. In the case of the actions of men this is most often not the case. The Christian missionary and teacher Oswald Chambers calls this harmonising of the thelema and the boulema in our own lives as "getting into God's stride".

A good example of this contrast is the work of the adversary (Hebrew:hasatan), the deceiver and accuser of the brethren (Greek: diabolos), the parasitical spiritual entity created by God for a specific purpose in the working out of His boulema and the training of His sons for glory. The results of the adversary's work, unless discerned and resisted, are always contrary to the Father's thelema but they will never be contrary to the Father's boulema. (Genesis 50:20, Romans 8:28)

The adversary has been given authority in the lives of men and works on them through their appetites, their carnal lusts, their selfish ambitions and their desire for self aggrandisement through the praises of and power over other men. (Luke 4:5-8) This means he is particularly active in the corridors of power in government and religion and gains control of them through spiritual means by working in the carnal minds and lusts of those in leadership who constitute his food. (Genesis 3:14,19)

There is a perfect continuity amongst the flesh, the world and the adversary. The adversary is the parasitical spiritual power that is lawfully authorised to administer God's wrath and wield the power of death for that purpose (1 Chronicles 21:1, 2 Samuel 24:1, 1Timothy 1:20). The most striking example of this role is found in the life, death, resurrection and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ who defeated the adversary on behalf of humanity and has bequeathed the fruits of that victory upon us all as our inheritance in Him.

This means that the adversary will tempt one to sin, i.e. break the Law of God, and then condemn one for having done so. As the accuser of the brethren he prosecutes us in the divine court based upon the word of God. This means that if we give him occasion to do so he will bring a case against us in the divine court and in these cases, since most Christians are unfamiliar with the Law and are therefore not aware of how to defend themselves against such spiritual prosecutions, our adversary will win the case by default. This is especially true when we are talking about the activities of the churches as a whole where the leaders are preaching and practising lawlessness, teaching that the Law is no longer of any effect, that we are under grace (true) and that we are no longer bound to follow the Law in its entirety. Since the Law reveals both our Father's thelema and His boulema this latter is manifestly untrue.

This is why it is so important to understand the nature and purpose of repentance since an appeal to the divine court on the foundation of the atonement and victory of the Lord Jesus Christ will always be judicially effective and we also have a divine Defence Counsellor who will guide us in making our appeal. The purpose of repentance is to return us to the Mind of Christ, to lawful behaviour, to surrender into being led by and empowered by the Spirit into the path of righteousness. Anything less is not repentance.

I hope these thoughts have helped to explain something of what I understand about how the adversary works in our lives, individually and corporately, and our responsibility as disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, especially when it comes to our presence in our nations as salt and light. If we as believers have lost our savour, if our light is dim then our nation will be suffering as a result. So often we rail against the rampant sin in our societies and do not realise that, rather than do the adversary's work by condemning the actions of the people amongst whom we live, we have the responsibility to pray for them and our civil governments. (1 Timothy 2:1-8)

If our society is rotten it is because the Church has lost her spiritual saltiness. We have given into the flesh, succumbed to the allurements of the world and thereby have allowed the adversary to accuse us before the divine court and bring the wrath of God and the judgements of the Law against the societies in which we live. We MUST repent. (Revelation 3:15-22)

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

This is not Christianity

David Robertson represents the 'Latter Rain' cult that believes its members can become gods themselves in the end times, a 'latter rain' of superheros that can become 'their own Jesus'. But he feels the need to cut and paste huge chunks of his boring paraphernalia on every Christian thread. 'Latter Rain' is satanic.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Matthew 10:24-25

10:24 "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. 10:25 It is enough for the disciple to be like his teacher, and the servant like his master. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign those of his household."

Did you know that the teachings of Christ were called "a cult" in the beginning? In the definition of a cult there is usually a physical "leader" figure who demands complete obedience and adherence to his teachings in which the followers are "religiously" schooled. This certainly does not fit the description of those who follow the Lord Jesus Christ in these teachings that you have called the Latter Rain.

The name of Latter Rain was given to the original revelations that came upon Christians, beginning in Saskatchewan Canada. It was however not designated as such by the Holy Spirit. The revelations given at that time, between 1948 and 1952, were largely rejected by the churches but continued to be taught outside the Christian church system. In that sense you are correct to say this is not "Christianity`" since what "Christianity" has become is the end times harlot church of Babylon of Revelation chapter 17.

Those of us who are part of the Kingdom or Sonship message are scattered all over the world and do not have any official structure. We are completely led by the Holy Spirit and we do not, for the most part, know where all the elect are located. We are "hidden with Christ in God".

Here is a short description of what happened at the beginning from a man who was there, George Warnock, who has written many articles and books on these revelations including the seminal book, "The Feast of Tabernacles":

http://georgewarnock.com/bio.html

For anyone who is interested in the truth about these events it is worth reading something from an eyewitness and one who was involved with them for about four years in a serving capacity.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

The 'Sonship' message?

You mean, that you yourself can become the son of God? What does that remind me of? Oh yeah, Satan's offer in the Garden of Eden. He's still trying it I guess, through you amongst others.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Christians SHOULD BE becoming sons of God.

There is nothing controversial about Christians becoming sons of God. If you do not know this perhaps you have not yet understood the Gospel message.

The true light, which enlightens everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children (TEKNON) of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:1-13)

The word used for children here is the Greek "TEKNON". This means a young child which is the beginning of one's life "in Christ". We are His children.

Again he says, “I will be confident in him,” and again, “Here I am, with the children God has given me.” (Hebrews 2:13)

Here the apostle is quoting from Isaiah 8:18 asserting that this scripture is prophetic of the Gospel Age:

"Look, I and the sons whom the Lord has given me are reminders and object lessons in Israel, sent from the Lord who commands armies, who lives on Mount Zion."

Again, you must be familiar with these scriptures from John 3:3 and 3:5-7:

"Jesus replied, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

"Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. What is born of the flesh is flesh, and what is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must all be born from above.’"

This spiritual birth is the beginning of the Christian's life and entrance into the Kingdom of God.

This means that there is a process of growth involved in "becoming" mature sons of God. This final state of being is heralded and typified by the ancient custom of "adoption".

"But when the appropriate time had come, God sent out his Son (HUIOS), born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we may be adopted as sons (HUIOS) with full rights. And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, who calls “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave but a son, and if you are a son, then you are also an heir through God. " (Galatians 4:4-7))

"For he chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world that we may be holy and unblemished in his sight in love. He did this by predestining us to adoption as his sons (HUIOS) through Jesus Christ, according to the pleasure of his will – to the praise of the glory of his grace that he has freely bestowed on us in his dearly loved Son." (Ephesians 1:4-6)

The Greek word HUIOS signifies a position in the family of a mature son. This is one who knows his Father's will and does it in all things. This position is not granted automatically but is earned by obedience to the revealed will of God. This is the final goal of the Christian life. The apostle Paul tells us what this means:

"Not only this, but we ourselves also, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we eagerly await our adoption, the redemption of our bodies. For in hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope, because who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with endurance." (Romans 8:23-25)

This last scripture indicates clearly, I believe, that not ALL Christians will participate in the first resurrection that is imminent. Only those who have followed on to know Christ in the fellowship of His sufferings will qualify to receive Him in the power of His resurrection body. This flies in the face of the doctrine of the rapture and this, along with other false church doctrines, is why the revelations given by the Holy Spirit in 1948-52 were largely rejected by the churches.

There is of course nothing unscriptural about these revelations. However, like so many messages of God to His people through the Ages only the "few" the "elect" heard them and the rest were blinded according to the perfect foreknowledge and will of our Father in Heaven.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Sons as in children of God, yes.

Son of God like Latter Rain means it, like Jesus is the Son of God, as in becoming a God like Jesus yourself, no.

You're a satanist and you know it.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

That's OK.

Not everyone can hear the voice of God. This has been true from the beginning and is still true today. We shall all hear one day, each in their own time. The Hebrew word for "hear is "shema" which also means "obey' so to Hear is to Obey.

Just as not all can hear and obey the Gospel there are Christians who are predestined to remain in either the condition of Passover or of Pentecost. Then there are the "elect" who will celebrate Tabernacles and enter into the Holy of Holies in the High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ. The Gospel is a "mystery" as the apostle Paul tells us. It contains many secrets (the hidden manna) that are only revealed to the humble and contrite of heart, the poor in spirit who overcome, who gain the victory over sin, death and the devil.

Of course you cannot understand what I am saying but there may be others who need to hear this word and this is for them.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

Nevertheless, your master is Satan.

You have not denied it.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

What I believe, witness to, is clear to those with ears to hear.

Since you accuse me of being a satanist this makes you "an accuser of the brethren" just as were the Pharisees and the priests accusers of the Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore by the measure you use you yourself are being measured just as were the Pharisees and priests who crucified the Prince of Peace, the Lord of Glory.

This spirit of Pharisaism is very prevalent in the churches today and it is growing more dominant. In essence it is self worship and manifests in self righteousness. You refuse to engage in any honest discussion, preferring to cast stones like your spiritual forebears. Hatred and fear are kindred spirits.

What are you afraid of?

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

That's right: Satan :D

You STILL haven't denied it! Preferring to use sophistry and pompous, wordy pronouncements rather than plain English. There's only one God, that's God Almighty. There's only one King, that's Jesus Christ, not you.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Have it your own way.

My appeals to your professed faith in the LORD are clearly falling on deaf ears. It is sad but there it is.

Your sig line is not scriptural by the way. In order to be obedient to God one should submit to the rule of any government whether evil or good. This notion that we should rebel because our governments are evil is contrary to the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is not necessary to obey every commandment of men if it contravenes the Law of the Spirit of Life but one should always seek to obey the LORD and find a way to peacefully resolve any conflict. (Matthew 5:9)

This latter is what I have done in this case where you insist that my master is satan. This is simply nonsense which truth you would apprehend if you were to spend a few minutes actually reading what I have written. I have tried to explain to you from scripture the path of sonship that we are called to follow as disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ but you take every opportunity to make this a source of contention.

Rather than seek reconciliation you prefer to cast aspersions on everything I say and insult the way I say it. Is this what you believe to be the way of Christ? Let me tell you nothing could be further from the Truth than the way you have conducted yourself in this discussion. You may declare yourself to be a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ but you demonstrate nothing of His Spirit in your writing, just the works of the flesh.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

No, wrong again. Not my way, and not yours, but God's.

More meaningless, emotive, unfocused and whiny verbiage.

Your essential point seems to be "awww, can't we just get along? I may be a pagan idolater that thinks I can become as God, but do you have to expose me and argue with me?"

In a word, yes.

Because I serve the one God, God Almighty, and through His only anointed messenger to us, Jesus Christ, he instructed us to do exactly that:

"Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No, I tell you, but division." - Jesus Christ (Luke 14:51)

"I baptise you with water for repentance. But after me will come more powerful than I…He will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing-floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire." - John the Baptist (Matthew 3:11-12)

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory...and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left." - Jesus Christ, (Matthew 25:31-33)

"For what fellowship has light with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols?" - Paul (2 Corinthians 6:14)

For my sig line, see Daniel 3:7.

You are a wicked and false prophet. This doctrine of 'unity' you plead is not of God but of satan, and is nowhere to be found in the Bible. If there is any part of you that still truly seeks salvation through Jesus Christ, then I suggest you pick up a Bible and read it. It speaks of a faith that is completely different from the one you are preaching, and warns in the sternest terms of those who would try to pollute the gospel.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

hmm

There must be more than one David Robertson; I'm not familiar with the one posting here, but there is another one from Scotland of a different age who doesn't seem to be a cult member: http://www.premierradio.org.uk/listen/ondemand.aspx?mediaid={b4983abc-b0ea-4d46-9c80-e078afd2d158}

I am also from Scotland but not the one you linked to.

I am not familiar with the David Robertson who is a church minister in Dundee. I do live in Perth that is just upriver from Dundee and that we share the same name is not surprising since this area is the traditional home of the Robertson clan.

I am not a cult member either, at least not according to any definition of "cult" that I am familiar with. It is however not unusual to be labelled as such by other Christians. There has been a general hardening in the hearts of many in the past twenty years or so. The love of many grows cold.

My wife and I no longer fellowship in the institutional churches because they have been afflicted with spiritual blindness and arrested development. However we love the brethren and pray for them daily that our Father may open their eyes and their ears to hear His voice and see His glory.

"Jesus answered them: 'Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin. The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.'" (John 8:34-36)

hmm.

I think you ought to go to his church and introduce yourself as David Robertson. Then set up a meeting of the Robertson clan to determine if you should adopt his theology, or if he should adopt yours. I think he would be open to discussion.

Hebrews 10:24-25 "And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching."

Note: I'm not asserting that you are a cult member as I'm completely unfamiliar with you.

I'm all for it.

Vishnu has always been dependable to regulate behavior.....

Or was that Krishna?...

Let's hope he doesn't mean Yahweh, that son of Brahma and Ishtar is a vengeful maniac.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Those are mostly demons.

The God of the Bible is the only true God.

Also, that's what the Pastor is clearly referring to, you are being disingenuous in trying to construct a different meaning, so you don't have to face the truth of what he is saying.

Obedience to God is resistance to tyrants.

Is your 'true' God also a 'true' Scotsman?

What is it with Christians and this 'true' argument? It's only 'true' to your fellow believers.

Your argument is basically "my imaginary best friend can beat up your imaginary best friend".

Also, how can one resist tyranny by blindly obeying this 'God'? Doesn't that conflict with the whole concept of free will? Ooh, I know! It's only 'true' free will if one chooses to follow your specific interpretation of 'God', right?

A signature used to be here!

Wait....

I thought Yahweh was the god of the Bible?

I know he is the one running around the Old Testament telling the Israelites to cut open women and bash fetuses against rocks and convincing daughters to get their father drunk and have sex with him.

And, you are saying Krishna (the first Christ, by the way) was a demon? You do realize he is the source for the Sermon on the Mount and several other parables?

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Have you ever read the whole Bible or do you just run around

parroting Dawkins and Harris? God never convinced someone's daughters to get pregnant by their father. But then again, you don't want the truth, you'd rather just mock and revile a God you claim doesn't exist.

Christians should not be warmongers! http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance87.html

I know the Bible better than most Christians

I already had read the entire Bible in school when I was young. But, during my deconversion from religion I studied even more. I took the process very seriously and explored many options. So, your insinuation that I was committing plageurism using other people, and that I don't "want the truth" shows your behavior is that of a 10 year old.

I do not mock and revile a non-existent deity, that is ridiculous. And, I was trying to make an ironical point originally in that there are many gods that are believed in with conviction.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Arguing with religious people is like a libertarian

arguing with a liberal.You will just go around in circles and get nowhere.Don't waste your time.You will not get through their indoctrinated brains.Many have had religion pounded into their brain since birth and will never wake up.People here on the Daily Paul
are very aware of what is happening in the real world but when it comes to the biggest whopper of all,religion, they are still in a trance.Eventually they will wake up from that balogney too but they have to figure it out themselves.

Invisible Alpha's need names

Invisible Alpha's are usually postulated by wannabee Alpha's somewhere along the line to corral the minds of the Sheep.

Frame it, give it a sacred name, tell people you are Mr or Ms Invisible's direct representative on Earth. And He/She/It want's YOU to do as I say.

I mean, c'mon.

The real living energy that is all of us and the universe doesn't care what the hell you call it.

That's my take on it.