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New Jersey Governor Christe Signs Ban On Gay Conversion Therapy

New Jersey Governor Christe Signs Ban On Gay Conversion Therapy

By ANGELA DELLI SANTI
Associated Press
Aug 19, 7:19 AM EDT

TRENTON, N.J. (AP) -- Gov. Chris Christie plans to sign a bill Monday barring licensed therapists from trying to turn gay teenagers straight, making New Jersey the second state to ban so-called conversion therapy, along with California.

The bill passed both houses of the New Jersey Legislature with bipartisan support in June. Assemblyman Tim Eustace, who sponsored the bill and is openly gay, described the therapy as "an insidious form of child abuse."

Gay activists pushing the ban were uncertain what Christie would do.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ne

How bizarre. Sick country.

How bizarre. Sick country.

thanks for posting

This law is overly broad. You can ban abusive behavior and charlatans in ways apart from a blanket ban. What about a kid who is not gay but is confused by the current propaganda push on the part of the MSM? From the headlines, it sounds like there is no exemption for adult conversion therapy. As other people have noted what if a teenager does not want to be gay and wants conversion therapy. (Another issue has the lumping teenagers into the category of "Children" contribute to the infantilization of our country.)

Children can go through a period where they are confused about sex especially with more and more explicit sex ed being taught in schools. Adolescents also have a right to be ex-gay if that is what they are. Recently a gospel singer was cancelled at a MLK event in Washington DC because he is ex-gay and a small group from the BGLT community could not bear that he even be allowed to sing.

Why is to only liberty approved of by the MSM, the right to gratification of sexual desires?
Yes this is about propaganda. All liberty is to be outlawed except following and enshrining sexual desires. Outlaw eating the food you want, outlaw defending yourself form criminals (and criminal police), outlaw making your own trading mechanism. But a diet of TV, brain numbing foods and physical gratification is all good for a compliant easily managed population.

Vickie

More indoctrination into deviance.

Simply put, it is OK to teach confused children who may be a little more feminine or masculine than their counterparts that they must now engage in deviant same sex with perverts because of their genetic makeup. Teaching them anything else is now illegal.

"Sorry little Timmy but since you are not as masculine as the rest of the boys you have to bend over and let Mr Christi put his penis in your ass."

What a sad world this has become.

Well, have to agree with NJ on this

I agree that "conversion therapy" on children is abusive, and I think subject to state law. It is not part of parenting, and can cause serious damage. Once people are 18 then the therapy is a choice. If parents are cruel enough to want to do this, then they should study and do it themselves.

Being a "licensed therapist" means you paid a fee and got a piece of paper, it doesn't mean you know what you are doing.

All that said, I will need to read more to make sure that parents and/or groups of parents are not prevented from doing it, and as long as they don't make money. The sad part, just like psychics and faith-healers, is wanna-be psychiatrist hacks make money doing this crap.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Use correct term

You should take a look at this before you go touting the talking point that "conversion therapy" is abusive. The correct term, by the way is reparative therapy, *not* "conversion" or "change" therapy.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/govt13/therapy_bill_heari...

Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Mary, Our Mother, protect us under your mantle.

I don't care

Terminology doesn't matter - that is the argument of a weak position.

I'm going to call them:
"Anti-intellectual, Anti-Science, Christian Witch-Doctor Con-men"

It's a scam...Yet another way to bilk well-meaning people out of their money.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

So

Parents can do nothing to counter the pro-homosexual propaganda that could be injuring their child at a very vulnerable time in their development? What if an underage teen does research on cancer treatments, and decides they want to go natural. Is it abuse to let them seek natural if conventional doctors think that's abusive? Same thing going on here. If the teen wants to seek help from unwanted sexual attractions, this bill denies them that right. It could be make things much more difficult for someone if they wait to get this treatment by the time they are an adult, instead of in their formative years. And that's what this is really all about - not what's best for the child, but controlling them to achieve an agenda. Anyone who says homosexual activity is a desirable activity they want their child to grow into is insane.

Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle. Mary, Our Mother, protect us under your mantle.

Multiple fallacies there

"So Parents can do nothing to counter the pro-homosexual propaganda that could be injuring their child at a very vulnerable time in their development?" --- First of all, if you believe in something called "pro-homosexual propaganda" then you are not rational to begin with. But, parents can do whatever they want to counter what you perceive to be propaganda - I agreed with that...twice. If your child is having a hard time deciding whether or not they are gay and they are in their teens - they are gay. Straight children have no such "decision" problem.

"What if an underage teen does research on cancer treatments, and decides they want to go natural. Is it abuse to let them seek natural if conventional doctors think that's abusive?" --- That is an appeal to emotion, first of all. If the child is underage, why are they doing the research and not the parents? The parents in your scenario are horrible parents.

"If the teen wants to seek help from unwanted sexual attractions, this bill denies them that right." - No, this puts the onus on the parents. As I said, a couple times, if the child is a minor parents should not turn over their mental state to a witch doctor. They should "fix" the child themselves. Which, of course, will just end in a gay kid hating their parents. The only reason a teen would think they have "unwanted" sexual attractions is if adults are forcing that into them.

"Anyone who says homosexual activity is a desirable activity they want their child to grow into is insane." ---- As I started....A child doesn't "grow into" homosexuality. They are born that way. Just because you are adverse to "homosexual activity", or translated, gay boys having sex, (not girls of course), doesn't mean it isn't "desirable" to the teenage boy.

"In the beginning of a change the patriot is a scarce man, and brave, and hated and scorned. When his cause succeeds, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot."--Mark Twain

Wrong

You need to spend some time in MA if you believe there is no such thing as pro-homosexual propaganda in schools. Ever hear of the story King and King, read to K-1 in public school, that features two men that romantically kiss at the end? Do you know that parents can't opt their kids out? Have you heard of the David Parker case, or the Wirthlins? Don't tell me parents can combat pro-homosexual materials being presented to their kids in schools like it's easy. Have you heard of Fistgate? Have you heard of the Day of Silence in schools? Wake up, homosexuality and now transgender behavior is being pushed in our schools.

So, all mental health issues are able to be resolved by parents, with no professional intervention? Who are you to say who is a witch doctor? Is a witch doctor someone who believes that same sex attraction can be unwanted and that parents should be able to help a minor get help? I think it is very possible a teen can research how unhealthy homosexual acts are, and to not want to engage in them. Just like, a teen can look up for him or herself benefits of natural treatments for cancer. What if Christie was signing a law saying parents can't help their teen obtain natural treatments for cancer? Oh, and nowhere did I say that the parents weren't researching as well. They would be horrible parents if they did research on the harms of homosexual activity and did not share that with their teen.

How many times have natural medicine doctors been called quacks and witch doctors by big pharma / mainstream doctors? BTW, did you check out the MassResistance link about the hearing at the MA statehouse on this issue? The correct term is vitally important in shaping debate about an issue, is it not?

You might want to look up the work of Dr. Judith Reisman. She has done research which essentially says you can physically program your body to have a response to certain stimuli. Think of what that means in terms of someone being abused. Let's say a straight kid was abused from the age of 12 to the age of 14. Let's say it included use of homosexual porn. Even though the kid is no longer being abused, he still gets a physical reaction when he sees homosexual porn images. This reaction was not "inborn" it was programmed, but the kid doesn't realize this and gets confused.

Look up the health consequences associated with homosexual behavior. Don't keep your head in the sand. We don't want our kids doing this stuff to themselves and others. We certainly don't want politicians telling us we have to keep our children trapped in it.

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